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Some movie about a guy dressed as a bat beating people up.


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That ad is hilariously try-hard. Decent production value, but the lighting, color palate and tone feel like Nolan phoning in another Rises.

The weird timing of Pattinson’s shouting scene is awkward. Hopefully it’s edited better in the film.

   
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 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
That ad is hilariously try-hard. Decent production value, but the lighting, color palate and tone feel like Nolan phoning in another Rises.

The weird timing of Pattinson’s shouting scene is awkward. Hopefully it’s edited better in the film.


Is it a Nolan film?

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I don’t think so. Sure wishes it was.

   
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It is not. I am glad it's not. Nolan has no fething idea how to make a Batman movie.


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 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
That ad is hilariously try-hard. Decent production value, but the lighting, color palate and tone feel like Nolan phoning in another Rises.


Agreed. Super emo Bats, bizarre spectator Cat and someone confused Riddler for Joker.
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 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
That ad is hilariously try-hard. Decent production value, but the lighting, color palate and tone feel like Nolan phoning in another Rises..

Honestly, this looks completely different to me. More like they're trying to lean hard into the idea that Batman should actually be this scary thing looming out of the shadows, which Nolan never really got. He just put Bruce in a batsuit and called the job a good'un.

I mean, I enjoy the Nolan movies (although Rises is certainly not my favourite) but this feels like a very different take on the character. Nolan's were action movies. This looks and feels more like a thriller, just with the 'monster' being the good(well, ish) guy.

 
   
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Looks great. As rumored, they really do seem to be drawing on some terrific stories from the comics, including Ego, Long Halloween, and…something more recent that is much discussed but I won’t spoil because I expect it to influence the whole trilogy. Hard to go wrong with that kind of source material.

The usual suspects will complain about the usual gak, but they can go watch the Schumacher films, ‘60s show or various cartoons for children if four-color camp is their thing. There’s more than enough of that already. I’m excited to see a young street-level Batman who does detective work and struggles to keep his head on straight doing it.

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I like my Knight dark, so this looks really promising.

My reservations remain solely around emo Bruce.

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Prediction: Riddler will die by the end of this movie, since comic book movie writers/directors have still not fully grasped the idea of audiences wanting a popular character to return in a future installment. Since Batman is known for not killing people, this death must be an arbitrary result of the Riddler's actions which occurs after he has already been defeated, and therefore extremely disappointing as a conclusion to his character. Penguin, on the other hand, will not die, as he will be a secondary antagonist and thus not important to kill off for added drama.

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I dunno if the Riddler will die or not. I think it actually remains to be seen just how much of a primary antagonist he is. But they certainly could kill him off since this is a self-contained trilogy like Nolan’s. This isn’t the “main DCEU” Batman.

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I dunno if the Riddler will die or not. I think it actually remains to be seen just how much of a primary antagonist he is. But they certainly could kill him off since this is a self-contained trilogy like Nolan’s. This isn’t the “main DCEU” Batman.


I mean, an MCU Sinister Six movie is literally in the works as we speak and Sandman, Hydro-Man, and Molten man have already been canonized as fictional video projections, and Mysterio is dead. I feel it's safe to say that crossover continuity has little effect on whether writers decide to keep their characters around.

I'm not explicitly anti-character death in superhero movies, but there have been so, so many times in the past (Killmonger comes to mind) where a character dies in their debut role and posthumously becomes a fan favorite which can now never be used again. It's baffling.

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I'm not explicitly anti-character death in superhero movies, but there have been so, so many times in the past (Killmonger comes to mind) where a character dies in their debut role and posthumously becomes a fan favorite which can now never be used again. It's baffling.

It's not really that much of a puzzle. They keep the villains around in the comics because they need to churn out (at least) a story a month and recycling characters means they don't have to keep endlessly creating new ones. Movies, for the most part, get a trilogy out before most of the people involved are ready to move on to other things, so it almost always going to be preferable to play with new characters instead of bringing back those that were already used.

 
   
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 Lance845 wrote:
It is not. I am glad it's not. Nolan has no fething idea how to make a Batman movie.


You just have people in masks growl their lines, I think. Pretty simple stuff.
   
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 insaniak wrote:
 Flipsiders wrote:

I'm not explicitly anti-character death in superhero movies, but there have been so, so many times in the past (Killmonger comes to mind) where a character dies in their debut role and posthumously becomes a fan favorite which can now never be used again. It's baffling.

It's not really that much of a puzzle. They keep the villains around in the comics because they need to churn out (at least) a story a month and recycling characters means they don't have to keep endlessly creating new ones. Movies, for the most part, get a trilogy out before most of the people involved are ready to move on to other things, so it almost always going to be preferable to play with new characters instead of bringing back those that were already used.


There's also the fact that the comics code authority GENERALLY didn't like heros killing, it relaxed in the 80s or so, but it was very much in force during the silver age when most of the big name comic book characters really where developed as characters.

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 Flipsiders wrote:
 gorgon wrote:
I dunno if the Riddler will die or not. I think it actually remains to be seen just how much of a primary antagonist he is. But they certainly could kill him off since this is a self-contained trilogy like Nolan’s. This isn’t the “main DCEU” Batman.


I mean, an MCU Sinister Six movie is literally in the works as we speak and Sandman, Hydro-Man, and Molten man have already been canonized as fictional video projections, and Mysterio is dead. I feel it's safe to say that crossover continuity has little effect on whether writers decide to keep their characters around.

I'm not explicitly anti-character death in superhero movies, but there have been so, so many times in the past (Killmonger comes to mind) where a character dies in their debut role and posthumously becomes a fan favorite which can now never be used again. It's baffling.


Mysterio is not dead. You need to pay more attention to what actually happened in that movie and less on what Mysterio was showing you.


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 insaniak wrote:
 Flipsiders wrote:

I'm not explicitly anti-character death in superhero movies, but there have been so, so many times in the past (Killmonger comes to mind) where a character dies in their debut role and posthumously becomes a fan favorite which can now never be used again. It's baffling.

It's not really that much of a puzzle. They keep the villains around in the comics because they need to churn out (at least) a story a month and recycling characters means they don't have to keep endlessly creating new ones. Movies, for the most part, get a trilogy out before most of the people involved are ready to move on to other things, so it almost always going to be preferable to play with new characters instead of bringing back those that were already used.


That's obviously true, but it doesn't explain why killing characters in movies is seen as so much more preferable than, you know, locking them in prison for an arbitrary period of time. Some characters have better arcs if they die at the end, sure, but that's not a hard-and-fast rule. The Joker is a perfect example: "This evil clown guy is Batman's philosophical arch-nemesis, and keeps coming back to trouble him again" is a lot more intriguing than "One time, Batman fought a guy dressed as a clown. The clown-man died in a preventable accident and will never be mentioned again. That was pretty weird in hindsight, huh?"

Again, there are obvious exceptions, but for the most part, I don't see why you would go out of your way to kill a character unless you were absolutely certain you wouldn't be reusing them.

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 Lance845 wrote:
It is not. I am glad it's not. Nolan has no fething idea how to make a Batman movie.


Agreed - this does not look too bad....sort of young Batman. see how it goes but can't be worse than Nolans films.

That's obviously true, but it doesn't explain why killing characters in movies is seen as so much more preferable than, you know, locking them in prison for an arbitrary period of time. Some characters have better arcs if they die at the end, sure, but that's not a hard-and-fast rule. The Joker is a perfect example: "This evil clown guy is Batman's philosophical arch-nemesis, and keeps coming back to trouble him again" is a lot more intriguing than "One time, Batman fought a guy dressed as a clown. The clown-man died in a preventable accident and will never be mentioned again. That was pretty weird in hindsight, huh?"


Disagree - I watch it and go why is the Joker allowed to kill again and again and again with no conseqences.. The end of Burtons original Batman was much better. Yes you donlt want to kill them in comics as Flispiders said but movies.....anything goes.

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As much as I am a no heroes killing people guy, an exception really needs to be made for Joker. His murder count is Astronomical at this point and they keep tossing him back into the same asylum where he just tortures the staff until he feels like breaking out again at his leisure to go murder even more people.

 
   
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As much as I am a no heroes killing people guy, an exception really needs to be made for Joker. His murder count is Astronomical at this point and they keep tossing him back into the same asylum where he just tortures the staff until he feels like breaking out again at his leisure to go murder even more people.


This discussion has been had many times before, but I think the real problem is that Arkham Asylum is fairly lenient when it comes to the topic of security. There's a reason why there aren't too many prison breaks in the real world (to my knowledge, of course), and most of Arkham's residents don't even have super-powers. The in-universe explanations for the breakouts are generally equally embarrassing; I remember one comic in which it's detailed that a pyromaniac escaped the asylum by building a makeshift hot-air balloon out of prison uniforms and floating out a skylight. If an incident like that won't get the place closed, I don't know what will.

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Yeah, Arkham works within the context of incredibly corrupt Gotham City, but would be absurd pretty much anywhere else.

Although given how much he's spent on the rest of Gotham, it does seem like an obvious fixer upper purchase for Bruce Wayne...

 
   
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Batman doesn't kill because Batman is every bit as Bat-gack insane as his entire rogue's gallery. It doesn't matter how many people Joker kills; Batman's not going to kill him because, presumeably, SOMEONE out there cares about him. Batman knows what it's like to have someone you love killed; he's not mentally capable of deliberately inflciting that pain on someone because he's been through it.

Even when it would be undoubtedly the right thing to do.

And... let's face it. The Joker could easily get away with an insanity defense, even if I don't think he fits the legal defintion of insane. He clearly knows right from wrong, after all. He just chooses 'wrong' because it's more fun. And... once that happens, off to Arkham he goes.

Granted, in reality sooner or later a cop with a dead loved one is going to get the Joker in his sights and take the shot... but in reality how hard would it be to track down the manufacturer of something like the BatJet? There aren't THAT many aircraft manufacturers out there that could make something like that, and there will be a paper trail. The police might not be able to get legal evidence, but an investigative reporter would figure it out in a year or two.

Some things you let go because it's fiction.

I'm worred about this film. WAY too many villains shoehorned into the trailer. Riddler for sure, potentially the Joker (the gang in white facepaint could be his minions), possibly Catwoman, possibly Poison Ivy, maybe even Two-Face? Leave some villains for the next movie!

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I'd say that's a "probable" on Catwoman (or at least Selina Kyle), though I didn't pick up anything that looks like Ivy or Two-Face.

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It has been said for a long time that this is based on Long Halloween. Which means just because enemies are jam packed into it doesn't mean many of the have all that much to do. They are mostly background elements that fill out the world. I wouldn't be too worried about it. Or that could just be my wishful thinking talking.


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I think one of the smartest things the film can do is realise that practically everybody will know who the major players are already, and not labor under the assumption we need it all explained to us for the umpteenth time. So if Ivy is in it, let her do what she needs for the purposes of the narrative and let's not spend 20 minutes of exposition explaining who she is.

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While i never saw the movie the first trailer i watched of Robert Pattinson's Batman seems kind like The Crow as far as i can tell.

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Now just a guess but I imagine it is going to open with the Batman showing up at the Penguins club and will end with that chase in the rain we see. Then it will transition to the Riddler running some games and Bats (hopefully) having to do some detective work to find out what the plot is while occasionally crossing paths with Catwoman and Gotham gangs.

It does seem to be doing the "villain meant to be caught" thing which has been so popular for the past decade.

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It does seem to be doing the "villain meant to be caught" thing which has been so popular for the past decade.

To be fair, 'Hey, Bats, let's see if you can figure out my dastardly plan!' has always been the Riddler's thing.

 
   
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I'd say that's a "probable" on Catwoman (or at least Selina Kyle), though I didn't pick up anything that looks like Ivy or Two-Face.


A redhead is shown walking down the street, center screen front and then back. It wasn't the actress that appers to be Catwoman. That screams Poison Ivy.

There was at least one shot of a man with lots of scars on his face. We only see him from the right, so it could be Two-Face. Or maybe not, thus 'maybe'.

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