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Just, FYI, FW is giving away a manta.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/01/07/pre-order-jaghatai-khan-primarch-of-the-white-scars-legion-from-forge-world-today/

There's Just one snag.

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Tau-Manta-Terms-Conditions

While the contest shows how much you have to spend in US dollars, yen, or Australian Dollars to enter, don't expect to win it if those are your local currencies.

You may notice they don't mention that, well, a very large chunk of the war hammer community world wide are excluded from the ability to win this item.

So, just a heads up, if you live in any of the excluded countries, don't run out and buy a bunch of FW hoping to win this contest.

...Forgeworld could pay me to take a Manta, and I would still likely decline. I have enough hobby woes... having a warped and poorly fit 28 pound super kit made of resin is the last pain I would want to inflict upon myself.

 BaronIveagh wrote:
Just, FYI, FW is giving away a manta.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/01/07/pre-order-jaghatai-khan-primarch-of-the-white-scars-legion-from-forge-world-today/

There's Just one snag.

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Tau-Manta-Terms-Conditions

While the contest shows how much you have to spend in US dollars, yen, or Australian Dollars to enter, don't expect to win it if those are your local currencies.

You may notice they don't mention that, well, a very large chunk of the war hammer community world wide are excluded from the ability to win this item.

So, just a heads up, if you live in any of the excluded countries, don't run out and buy a bunch of FW hoping to win this contest.

I don't see how you can draw the conclusion that they don't mention who's excluded. IT'S RIGHT THERE IN THE TERMS & CONDITIONS. That they tell you to read. It's not even hidden in fine print.

Seriously, why is it that whenever GW doesn a competition, the U.S gets shafted?
is it how their competitions are run?

Aren’t the terms and conditions the fine print?

 BaronIveagh wrote:
You may notice they don't mention that, well, a very large chunk of the war hammer community world wide are excluded from the ability to win this item.

Forge World wrote:2.2. The competition is open to residents worldwide, excluding:

- the U.S.
- Canada
- Northern Ireland
- Italy
- Japan
- the Australian territories of the Australian Capital Territory (ACT), Northern Territory and South Australia.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Seriously, why is it that whenever GW doesn a competition, the U.S gets shafted?
is it how their competitions are run?

Some countries have rules for competition that states there has to be a 'free' way to enter any contest (that isn't straight up gambling). GW doesn't want to give away a free Manta, apparently, they want to pump sales.

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 John Prins wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Seriously, why is it that whenever GW doesn a competition, the U.S gets shafted?
is it how their competitions are run?

Some countries have rules for competition that states there has to be a 'free' way to enter any contest (that isn't straight up gambling). GW doesn't want to give away a free Manta, apparently, they want to pump sales.

If they want to pump sales of FW minis they could pump up their quality control, fix the captcha glitch on their website, or write playable rules for the FW models.

Yeah, sorting that CAPTCHA bug should really be something they get done - really irritating when you just want to check something, or look at a picture as a reference, and you have to go through it every flaming time.

 NH Gunsmith wrote:
...Forgeworld could pay me to take a Manta, and I would still likely decline. I have enough hobby woes... having a warped and poorly fit 28 pound super kit made of resin is the last pain I would want to inflict upon myself.

I would take those money from them, and then sold the Manta and made a profit

2.4. If a name is drawn which belongs to a resident of Belgium, they must correctly answer a skill-testing question in order to win a prize, in accordance with Belgian laws.

Very funny law... Not only do we need to pay up, we also have to do a quiz...

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Seriously, why is it that whenever GW doesn a competition, the U.S gets shafted?
is it how their competitions are run?

Lots of places have strict laws on gambling, especially online. You often can't just put down an amount of money for a chance to win a prize without it involving some level or oversight & regulations.

To prevent loopholes like "chance to win a holiday by buying this grain of rice for $50", the usual approach is that any legitimate competition / promotion should be possible to enter without requiring a purchase. That's why you see some GW competitions allow free entry by post.

ccs wrote:

I don't see how you can draw the conclusion that they don't mention who's excluded. IT'S RIGHT THERE IN THE TERMS & CONDITIONS. That they tell you to read. It's not even hidden in fine print.

As several people have pointed out, having to go to the 'terms and conditions' *is* the fine print. They don't say in the announcement 'USA, Japan, and parts of Australia need not apply' and imply that it's open to everyone. Indeed the Terms and Conditions also state how much you have to spend in the currencies of the prohibited countries. This information DOES NOT appear on their versions (at time of posting) of the site, only on the UK version.

 BaronIveagh wrote:
Just, FYI, FW is giving away a manta.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/01/07/pre-order-jaghatai-khan-primarch-of-the-white-scars-legion-from-forge-world-today/

There's Just one snag.

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Tau-Manta-Terms-Conditions

While the contest shows how much you have to spend in US dollars, yen, or Australian Dollars to enter, don't expect to win it if those are your local currencies.

You may notice they don't mention that, well, a very large chunk of the war hammer community world wide are excluded from the ability to win this item.

So, just a heads up, if you live in any of the excluded countries, don't run out and buy a bunch of FW hoping to win this contest.

Oddly, most of Australia is eligible, only the ACT (the Capital Territory, think Australian version of Washington DC), South Australia and Northern Territory (think middle of nowhere). So about 90% of Australia is still eligible.

I assume those states/territories have their own laws that prohibit a competition of this type, but I wasn't aware of any such limitation.

In fact you'll note this point:

"5.1. All entrants will be entered into a prize draw. The prize draw will take place at 23 Liverpool Street, Ingleburn NSW 2565, Australia at 10 a.m. (ACST) on 4th February 2022.

...

8.1. A redraw, if applicable, will take place at 23 Liverpool Street, Ingleburn NSW 2565, Australia at 10 a.m. (ACST) on 1st March 2022. The redraw will be made by random selection."

I assume the reason for that is something in Australian law stating that draws like this have to have a defined location and time for the draw/redraw.




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 BaronIveagh wrote:

ccs wrote:

I don't see how you can draw the conclusion that they don't mention who's excluded. IT'S RIGHT THERE IN THE TERMS & CONDITIONS. That they tell you to read. It's not even hidden in fine print.

As several people have pointed out, having to go to the 'terms and conditions' *is* the fine print. They don't say in the announcement 'USA, Japan, and parts of Australia need not apply' and imply that it's open to everyone. Indeed the Terms and Conditions also state how much you have to spend in the currencies of the prohibited countries. This information DOES NOT appear on their versions (at time of posting) of the site, only on the UK version.

I imagine there's places that use those currencies that are still eligible. Parts of Australia are still eligible, and GW has a "Rest of the World" site which is in US dollars, I dunno who else uses Yen but I'm guessing somewhere eligible does.

And as far as I can see, the link from the homepage takes you directly to the terms and conditions, so I think it's someone's own fault if they scroll down to see the spend amounts while skipping the eligibility criteria stuff.

 John Prins wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Seriously, why is it that whenever GW doesn a competition, the U.S gets shafted?
is it how their competitions are run?

Some countries have rules for competition that states there has to be a 'free' way to enter any contest (that isn't straight up gambling). GW doesn't want to give away a free Manta, apparently, they want to pump sales.

And even within those countries, different localities can have different laws. That's probably why the US is out, because different states will have different laws governing it.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

 John Prins wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Seriously, why is it that whenever GW doesn a competition, the U.S gets shafted?
is it how their competitions are run?

Some countries have rules for competition that states there has to be a 'free' way to enter any contest (that isn't straight up gambling). GW doesn't want to give away a free Manta, apparently, they want to pump sales.

And even within those countries, different localities can have different laws. That's probably why the US is out, because different states will have different laws governing it.

I could be wrong as I'm going off memory, but I think it's a USA-wide law saying that random competitions that have "free" entry can't be locked to purchasing a separate item. That's why when McDonalds do their competitions where you get entry tickets on the food packaging, they have fine print saying you can send a letter to a certain address in order to get an entry ticket without having to purchase the food, they just make it enough of a pain in the arse to stop people doing it in masses to bias the competition. So competitions either need to have you buying an entry ticket and the ticket is the only thing you buy (not linked to a separate purchase) or they need to give away tickets freely.

Obviously that wouldn't work well for a FW-type competition, as even if it was a pain in the arse to do more people would apply for the free tickets than would buy products to get a ticket, thus negating the purpose of the competition.

I think it's a law that goes back quite a long way to when travelling grifters would come through towns and swindle people out of money.

 AnomanderRake wrote:
or write playable rules for the FW models.

You mean, stop them from being broken gak instantly obsoleting whole GW books? Like the entirety of SM and Custode tournament armies in 8th and 9th edition being constant stream of spammed recast resin cheese of whatever flavor of the month?

Yup, they should do that (now watch usual clowns claim FW is tOtEs BaLaNcEd WhY yOu GuYs DoN't wAnT tO pLaY mY mUnChKiN oP cOnTeMpToR sPaM)