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Apologies if this has been posted before, but it looks like green stuff isn't on the GW website anymore or at the stores. Liquid Green Stuff is still here, but the putty is missing. The person at the GW store seemed to think it was permanently gone (but they're new and not super knowledgeable about the products, so I'm not taking their word as 100% the law).

Is green stuff vanishing recent thing? Green stuff and liquid green stuff serve different roles and the former is far superior.

Not like GW invented it or are the sole or cheapest supplier. Lots of places to buy green stuff, even one company who named themselves after it…

Yeah the tube type is way cheaper by volume and lasts better since there isn't the asinine decision to package two strips of things that chemically react with each other touching already.

I doubt you will, but if you struggle to find a supplier while searching for Green Stuff, it's also known as kneadatite, and it's everywhere.

Buying it from GW is almost as pointless and expensive as buying PVA glue from them.

 Azreal13 wrote:
I doubt you will, but if you struggle to find a supplier while searching for Green Stuff, it's also known as kneadatite, and it's everywhere.

Buying it from GW is almost as pointless and expensive as buying PVA glue from them.

God bless Poundland for arts and crafts bits n bobs.

Mind you I considered that an extravagance when the 99p stores existed.

The last time I bought green stuff was from Green Stuff World whilst buying some blue stuff at the same time.

It was waaaaay pricier to get literally the exact same green stuff from GW as opposed to anywhere else. If they are unwilling to put a reasonable price tag on it then yeah, just dump it from the line.

Personally I suggest Brown Stuff instead. It has less memory which lets you sculpt sharper edges, and sets up Much harder. It does offer less working time though, but still plenty imho.

I guess that what's interesting is the fact that they aren't apparently going to sell it anymore going forward.

Given that GW stocks everything needed for "the hobby", that would mean they don't believe that sculpting bits and bobs to their minis is a part of the hobby anymore (whereas the liquid one would be A-OK because that's mostly for fixing their gakky resin).

Thank god for Milliput

If you're not doing sculpting but just gap filling and such Apoxie 2 part putty works and is sold by the pound.

https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B005JKMYU0/ref=ox_sc_saved_image_4?smid=A19NVE4G6SOT2C&psc=1

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
Yeah the tube type is way cheaper by volume and lasts better since there isn't the asinine decision to package two strips of things that chemically react with each other touching already.

Can you link what you are referring to?

 Jidmah wrote:

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
Yeah the tube type is way cheaper by volume and lasts better since there isn't the asinine decision to package two strips of things that chemically react with each other touching already.

Can you link what you are referring to?

Here you go. https://www.greenstuffworld.com/en/green-stuff/6-warhammer-green-stuff-modelling-putty-tube-bar.html GSW also sells the GW-style strips, as well as packages with the two strips actually separated so there's no unwanted pre-mixing.

 Albertorius wrote:
I guess that what's interesting is the fact that they aren't apparently going to sell it anymore going forward.

Given that GW stocks everything needed for "the hobby", that would mean they don't believe that sculpting bits and bobs to their minis is a part of the hobby anymore (whereas the liquid one would be A-OK because that's mostly for fixing their gakky resin).

Might also be that they can't guarantee having it in stock because of supplier issues?

Can't say it's shocking though. They don't sell a plastic or cyanoacrylate glue for clear canopies either, yet it exists.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:
I guess that what's interesting is the fact that they aren't apparently going to sell it anymore going forward.

Given that GW stocks everything needed for "the hobby", that would mean they don't believe that sculpting bits and bobs to their minis is a part of the hobby anymore (whereas the liquid one would be A-OK because that's mostly for fixing their gakky resin).

Might also be that they can't guarantee having it in stock because of supplier issues?

Can't say it's shocking though. They don't sell a plastic or cyanoacrylate glue for clear canopies either, yet it exists.

Don't they? We did back when I worked there... guess it's been a long time >_>

Sorry, should have been more clear:

A non-fogging plastic/cyanoacrylate. Plastic glue can sometimes cause fogging, and cyanoacrylate almost 100% of the time will.

It’s the fumes that cause fogging. Keep the piece well ventilated and go full hog and put a fan on low on it while it dries.

 Agamemnon2 wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
Yeah the tube type is way cheaper by volume and lasts better since there isn't the asinine decision to package two strips of things that chemically react with each other touching already.

Can you link what you are referring to?

Here you go. https://www.greenstuffworld.com/en/green-stuff/6-warhammer-green-stuff-modelling-putty-tube-bar.html GSW also sells the GW-style strips, as well as packages with the two strips actually separated so there's no unwanted pre-mixing.

Ah, thanks. I just finished kit-bashing a bunch of kommadoz and was incredibly frustrated with my partially hardened greenstuff, I didn't know this existed despite regularly buying GSW stuff.

As gap filler, plastic putty from a tube, if you're lazy like I am and only paint to advanced tabletop!

Or are you sculpting?

 Jidmah wrote:

 Agamemnon2 wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
Yeah the tube type is way cheaper by volume and lasts better since there isn't the asinine decision to package two strips of things that chemically react with each other touching already.

Can you link what you are referring to?

Here you go. https://www.greenstuffworld.com/en/green-stuff/6-warhammer-green-stuff-modelling-putty-tube-bar.html GSW also sells the GW-style strips, as well as packages with the two strips actually separated so there's no unwanted pre-mixing.

Ah, thanks. I just finished kit-bashing a bunch of kommadoz and was incredibly frustrated with my partially hardened greenstuff, I didn't know this existed despite regularly buying GSW stuff.

I like the strips, as you'll note the default proportions for sculpting isn't 50:50, usually it's more yellow than blue if you want something that's easier to work. That is how the strips are arranged.

Even strips I've had that are a few years old and the join line has gone a bit hard, I find I just mix it normally and that hardened section is easy to remove. I like the way I just trim off the length I need (normally not much if just gap filling or sculpting small bits) and the proportions are immediately good.

The tubes... I find the diameter is too big to just trim off what I need (even a very thin sliver is more than I need 95% of the time), so inevitably I end up clawing little blobs out of the end of it and waste more time trying to get the proportions right. Also greenstuff doesn't like being exposed to air for long periods, and the tubes have big open ends exposed to the air. I imagine this isn't a problem if you use it frequently, but if you go months or years without using it like me, often the stuff at the end has gone a bit hard.

The main advantage to the tubes is if you do want more blue than yellow (for a harder and faster curing putty) then that's easy to do.

I did see GSW were selling the strips with a gap between the blue and the green, not bought it to try but that sounds like a good idea.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:

 Agamemnon2 wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
Yeah the tube type is way cheaper by volume and lasts better since there isn't the asinine decision to package two strips of things that chemically react with each other touching already.

Can you link what you are referring to?

Here you go. https://www.greenstuffworld.com/en/green-stuff/6-warhammer-green-stuff-modelling-putty-tube-bar.html GSW also sells the GW-style strips, as well as packages with the two strips actually separated so there's no unwanted pre-mixing.

Ah, thanks. I just finished kit-bashing a bunch of kommadoz and was incredibly frustrated with my partially hardened greenstuff, I didn't know this existed despite regularly buying GSW stuff.

I like the strips, as you'll note the default proportions for sculpting isn't 50:50, usually it's more yellow than blue if you want something that's easier to work. That is how the strips are arranged.

Even strips I've had that are a few years old and the join line has gone a bit hard, I find I just mix it normally and that hardened section is easy to remove. I like the way I just trim off the length I need (normally not much if just gap filling or sculpting small bits) and the proportions are immediately good.

The tubes... I find the diameter is too big to just trim off what I need (even a very thin sliver is more than I need 95% of the time), so inevitably I end up clawing little blobs out of the end of it and waste more time trying to get the proportions right. Also greenstuff doesn't like being exposed to air for long periods, and the tubes have big open ends exposed to the air. I imagine this isn't a problem if you use it frequently, but if you go months or years without using it like me, often the stuff at the end has gone a bit hard.

The main advantage to the tubes is if you do want more blue than yellow (for a harder and faster curing putty) then that's easy to do.

I did see GSW were selling the strips with a gap between the blue and the green, not bought it to try but that sounds like a good idea.

While I would advocate for buying green stuff with separate blue and yellow components, I can see how you'd find the strips more convenient for the preset ratio. Might save you some hassle if you're new or just can't be bothered.

I find that the combined strips just produce more waste than tube bars and don't like that for that aspect. The latter aren't without problems. As you say, if you keep them around for a long time the ends degrade. They're still usable for many things, but perhaps you don't want to sculpt fine surface detail with them. The bars that come with the silver paper caps to prevent this, which they largely do except for the very edges, come with their own problems. Being just multi-layered paper, it's hard to use up all the green stuff that sticks to it. without getting paper bits into your mix, so there is some waste. They can also fold into the bars over time as you handle them, entrenching the paper more and making it harder to get out or work around it. However, the vast majority of your tube bar green stuff will be good and you won't have to worry about getting lumps in your mix until you use up the last of the bar. Compared to combined strips where you have to dispose of some of it every sculpting session, I find the bars so much more convenient to work with.

Blue to yellow ratio is also not set in stone. You can get good results with a 50/50 mix just fine, although more yellow helps if you sculpt in lower temperatures just as more blue removes some stickiness that may get in the way in the heat of summer. And yeah, more flexible versus more rigid may be a consideration depending on what you intend to sculpt. I don't mind the preset ratio of strips, but depending on how and what you sculpt, you may want more flexibility than that. Which strips can obviously provide, too. But once you move away from that fixed ratio, the convenience it offers holds no benefit anymore.

But most importantly, as has been posted early on, unless you absolutely have no way of getting your green stuff elsewhere, there's no reason to buy from GW. It's a third party product and GW's is the exact same stuff everyone else sells, but at a considerably inflated price.

 ced1106 wrote:
As gap filler, plastic putty from a tube, if you're lazy like I am and only paint to advanced tabletop!

Or are you sculpting?

Well, technically you could sculpt with gap filler from a tube, too. It's just, you probably shouldn't.

 AduroT wrote:
It’s the fumes that cause fogging. Keep the piece well ventilated and go full hog and put a fan on low on it while it dries.

If you're gluing a canopy on, you can't really get the fumes out to avoid fogging the clear plastic, that's why people use alternative glues when gluing canopies on. For display pieces I usually use a very small amount of PVA, but it's quite weak and easy to break off so only really suited to display pieces. It's been so many years since I glued a canopy on a wargaming model, I don't remember what I used last time.

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 Geifer wrote:
But most importantly, as has been posted early on, unless you absolutely have no way of getting your green stuff elsewhere, there's no reason to buy from GW. It's a third party product and GW's is the exact same stuff everyone else sells, but at a considerably inflated price.

I can agree with that, whether you prefer the tubes or the strips you're better off getting non-GW brands. Especially these days, there was a time in the past where around here it was difficult to find alternatives. GW popularised it then other sources started to become available.

Yeah, around here the green stuff market was also pretty barren back in the day. I got my first pack of green stuff from GW for that reason. It took a while for a larger selection to appear on Ebay, I think. Not long after that I could buy tube bar packs from Army Painter or Gale Force Nine at my local store, and that was that for GW.

I believe there was a market for GW GS even if overpriced... your are in a GW store doing some hobby stuff and need a bit of greenstuff you buy those blisters.

Also what is the point of sculpting tools if they dont sell sculpting putty?

 NAVARRO wrote:
I believe there was a market for GW GS even if overpriced... your are in a GW store doing some hobby stuff and need a bit of greenstuff you buy those blisters.

Also what is the point of sculpting tools if they dont sell sculpting putty?

Don’t they sell air paints too without air brushes?

 GaroRobe wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
I believe there was a market for GW GS even if overpriced... your are in a GW store doing some hobby stuff and need a bit of greenstuff you buy those blisters.

Also what is the point of sculpting tools if they dont sell sculpting putty?

Don’t they sell air paints too without air brushes?

One could say air paints can be used with a regular brush... actually many painters do that.

 AduroT wrote:
Personally I suggest Brown Stuff instead. It has less memory which lets you sculpt sharper edges, and sets up Much harder. It does offer less working time though, but still plenty imho.

They used to sell brown stuff at the 99c Only stores as “plumber’s putty” or something like that. Haven’t seen it there in years, though. It might still be available through similar stores.

Various two-part epoxy putties are available from a wide variety of sources. Art stores often carry Milliput, which seems to be the gold standard. Green Stuff is probably the most common used in miniature hobbying. But it's quite likely that your local hardware store/plumbing store/lumber yard will have some form of two-part epoxy putty available. Heck, even Wal-Mart has a couple different versions in their hardware area.

You just have to figure out who has the best value of epoxy putty that works for what you need it to. If you're going to be doing serious sculpting, I would recommend GS or Miliput if you're not going to go full-bore and use actual sculpting clay. For a lot of lesser uses like simple gapfilling, cheaper options should suffice.

What plumbers epoxies do people use?

I've used a couple of a varieties of plumbing epoxy for, well, plumbing, and I can safely say they'd suck for miniatures. The ones I've used have a grainy texture, are way too sticky to sculpt easily, tear easily when uncured, and cure very quickly to an extremely tough finished product that is difficult to sand without power tools. Good for temporary structural repairs, terrible for neatly sculpting on a model.

I've heard of "brown stuff" in the past but never seen it in person. The two plumbers epoxies I've used were black + white = grey, and the other was some pale greeny yellow stuff (don't remember the individual part colours).

My go to for actual miniatures is either milliput or greenstuff, both are way better suited to models than the plumbing epoxies I've tried.

Instant Epoxy used as quick base material to general form to put GS on

Also for larger stamps that need to get hard before you can remove them

Some people in the club used brown stuff, but those made miniature from scratch using GS as base and BS for details

Another go to one here is Fimo, which need to be heated to cure (110°C, 30min), so allows for corrections on larger projects

Milliput is the go-to for gap filling

 kodos wrote:
Instant Epoxy used as quick base material to general form to put GS on

What's "Instant Epoxy"? I googled and the only things that came up were adhesives.