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I'm not interested in buying more expensive books, and I'm not too big on the restrictions placed on the armies. I like the idea of small boarding party lists, but the way things are, not enough to open my wallet (and no, I'm not downloading them on the net). Anyone else here just going to stick with the regular rules?

Yup.

I haven't brought any of the season pass books for 40k and don't intend to.

I only play 40k with three other opponents and we get by on common sense and some errata.

If 10th continues the trend for books on books on books ill just stick with kill team for my 40k fix.

I am undecided, GW just doesn’t do what I consider quality work for the price they are asking on there books. Fancy, but I would be happy black and white with no pictures if the content was good.
So if they want me to buy pricy books I better be getting good content usable for a long while.
Since I am not short on fancy books I want to buy. And they compete with RPGs that at least deliver better content.

I don’t mind the six month season books, and they’re small so they’re not As expensive as some of the others, so I grabbed both the Chapter Approved and the General’s Handbook these past two weeks. The ones I hate are the monthly hardcover campaign books. Those I’ll never bother with.

You guys are talking tournament. The OP appears to be talking about boarding actions. Those are two different books.

Ignoring it? Eh, sort of. I'll try the game if a friend has all the needed items and I'll keep tabs on the lore, but that's it. I am not at all interested in buying the books or the terrain.

Boarding Action game rules and an overview of the lore could have easily been put into one book, but GW went for the DLC cash grab spreading it over 4 to 5 smaller books. Added lore content could have been expanded upon in Black Library novels.

I suspect (and kind of hope) that AoO will flop. I also suspect that GW will not hold true to their word and keep new W40K faction and unit rules out the AoO books. GW needs to stop with the DLC bs.

More than $1 a page, at current GW writing.
OMG.

myself and my group are all skipping it, the boarding action rules aren't worth the price, especially not with the impending release of a new edition which is likely to render those rules unplayable. likewise, the review that pointed out that the rules only allow you to play what are basically fixed scenarios on fixed table layouts kind of limits replayability and prevents you from actually using it as a general/freeform play format the way you would with regular terrain, etc.

Yup, am in pretty much the same boat as the OP. Boarding parties sounds interesting - but it's yet another book to buy and things are tight these days. Plus there's the supposed looming 10th edition that may end up invalidating it...

Quick question- What happens if 10th comes out in between the Chapter Approved releases? Or, do you think that GW will be coordinated enough to release the new edition in 6 months or wait until Jan '24?

I decide on a case by case basis after I read the Goonhammer review.

I have liked hardcover campaign books- I found value in the Octarius books, for example. I've heard there are supposed to by fewer rules in AoO, which would make it less useful for me.

Definitely going to consult Goons to decide whether to buy.

Partially ignoring it.
● I picked up the Abbadon book (at a nice discount) for the BA stuff.
Not terribly impressed, but the group will get use out of it. Someone else in the group gets to buy the next book. Assuming interest remains....
● The terrain box? Pfft. I can build/3d print terrain just as nice for a fraction of that cost. So this is on the ignore list.
● The CA? I'll ignore it as I can (most of my games are Crusade or some form of campaign, not matched). I don't play tournaments. And theres plenty of times during previous seasons where despite doing matched we've opted not to use whatever the current tourney pack is. I dont see that changing for this season....
For those few times I can't? That's what the internet is for.

Crispy78 wrote:
Yup, am in pretty much the same boat as the OP. Boarding parties sounds interesting - but it's yet another book to buy and things are tight these days. Plus there's the supposed looming 10th edition that may end up invalidating it...

How would a new edition invalidate what is essentially specialized terrain rules?

 Daedalus81 wrote:

Crispy78 wrote:
Yup, am in pretty much the same boat as the OP. Boarding parties sounds interesting - but it's yet another book to buy and things are tight these days. Plus there's the supposed looming 10th edition that may end up invalidating it...

How would a new edition invalidate what is essentially specialized terrain rules?

Let's say the new edition does away with "actions".
How do you open/close hatches then?

$60 for an 88 page rulebook that probably contains less than 30 pages of actual rules. But the real kick in the crotch is charging $270 for a bunch of walls and some cardboard bits.

ccs wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

Crispy78 wrote:
Yup, am in pretty much the same boat as the OP. Boarding parties sounds interesting - but it's yet another book to buy and things are tight these days. Plus there's the supposed looming 10th edition that may end up invalidating it...

How would a new edition invalidate what is essentially specialized terrain rules?

Let's say the new edition does away with "actions".
How do you open/close hatches then?

Yeah, something like that. Or they might just reprint the rules in the 10th ed book with a few words different.

I really enjoyed campaign books like Shield of Baal - lots of narrative, loads of art, background etc.....the last few years have been tiny books with little content and nothing happens in them so yeah little interest

ccs wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

Crispy78 wrote:
Yup, am in pretty much the same boat as the OP. Boarding parties sounds interesting - but it's yet another book to buy and things are tight these days. Plus there's the supposed looming 10th edition that may end up invalidating it...

How would a new edition invalidate what is essentially specialized terrain rules?

Let's say the new edition does away with "actions".
How do you open/close hatches then?

This is narrative gaming. You just agree that the rule from before is still in effect.

Its about chaos, and not Eldar in anyway. I am so disinterested about chaos, I get it they do evil things blah blah.

Just give me the cliff notes, I don't need to waste my time on a series of booklets that will offer like no information. I buy stuff for the lore and to find ways to make my models look cool.

I’ll be picking it up as soon as I can find a copy on a discounter.

Sucker for lore, me. Especially new and unfolding lore.

I have read through the tournament pack and I'm happy that I didn't pay anything for it. Ugh. Why this isn't just an official free PDF is beyond me, as I really can't think how anyone spend more then five minutes on each of the scenarios.

I have played one game (my first game of 9th ever) this weekend with the mission pack and I was rather overworked with choosing the secondaries, remembering them and correctly scoring them, all on top of my DA detachment and chapter traits ...
But my opponent was a really good sport so the game was still a lot of fun, tossing some dice etc. Just the mission design isn't really for me.

Bought terrain at a discounter. It is really nice and was something I’ve been looking for. Will get lots of use in narrative for me.
Picked up AoO book for the rules, but it’s a terrible deal. Will probably pass on the rest.

No desire to go onto 10th edition with the same ole book after book release. I think I may give the next edition a pass or just get my info online for free.

I'm only paying attention because all the rules are free. If it was like the old days when you had to buy the update books it would be a hell no, but if all I have to invest is a few minutes to look at the new detachment rules? Sure, why not, at least it will make it easier to get pick up games at the local store.

Zero interest in boarding actions though, locking everything behind specific proprietary terrain makes it a hard no.

Aecus Decimus wrote:
I'm only paying attention because all the rules are free. If it was like the old days when you had to buy the update books it would be a hell no, but if all I have to invest is a few minutes to look at the new detachment rules? Sure, why not, at least it will make it easier to get pick up games at the local store.

Zero interest in boarding actions though, locking everything behind specific proprietary terrain makes it a hard no.

Nothing is locked behind the over priced terrain. It's just wall sections. Some with hatches.
All you'll need to know is how long each section is & you can build/print an immense amount of this stuff dirt cheap. How nice they look will depend upon your terrain building skills.

The book contains several missions & map layouts. And minimal rules on force selection. Oh, and a bunch of pages of lore.

ccs wrote:

Aecus Decimus wrote:
I'm only paying attention because all the rules are free. If it was like the old days when you had to buy the update books it would be a hell no, but if all I have to invest is a few minutes to look at the new detachment rules? Sure, why not, at least it will make it easier to get pick up games at the local store.

Zero interest in boarding actions though, locking everything behind specific proprietary terrain makes it a hard no.

Nothing is locked behind the over priced terrain. It's just wall sections. Some with hatches.
All you'll need to know is how long each section is & you can build/print an immense amount of this stuff dirt cheap. How nice they look will depend upon your terrain building skills.

"Nothing is locked behind terrain, you just need to build your own terrain that exactly duplicates the official terrain and will be completely useless for any other game."

Aecus Decimus wrote:

ccs wrote:

Aecus Decimus wrote:
I'm only paying attention because all the rules are free. If it was like the old days when you had to buy the update books it would be a hell no, but if all I have to invest is a few minutes to look at the new detachment rules? Sure, why not, at least it will make it easier to get pick up games at the local store.

Zero interest in boarding actions though, locking everything behind specific proprietary terrain makes it a hard no.

Nothing is locked behind the over priced terrain. It's just wall sections. Some with hatches.
All you'll need to know is how long each section is & you can build/print an immense amount of this stuff dirt cheap. How nice they look will depend upon your terrain building skills.

"Nothing is locked behind terrain, you just need to build your own terrain that exactly duplicates the official terrain and will be completely useless for any other game."

How exactly will sci-fi wall sections 4/6/8" etc long, some with doors/hatches, be useless in any other game? Especially for 40k/KT/Necromunda? Or other scifi games of similar scale? Do I not need terrain in those?

Brickfix wrote:
I have read through the tournament pack and I'm happy that I didn't pay anything for it. Ugh. Why this isn't just an official free PDF is beyond me, as I really can't think how anyone spend more then five minutes on each of the scenarios.

I have played one game (my first game of 9th ever) this weekend with the mission pack and I was rather overworked with choosing the secondaries, remembering them and correctly scoring them, all on top of my DA detachment and chapter traits ...
But my opponent was a really good sport so the game was still a lot of fun, tossing some dice etc. Just the mission design isn't really for me.

I could be wrong, but I'm guessing the Arks of Omen: Grand Tournament Mission Pack is probably intended for use by people who play more than one game of 9th edition 40k per two and a half years.

ccs wrote:
How exactly will sci-fi wall sections 4/6/8" etc long, some with doors/hatches, be useless in any other game? Especially for 40k/KT/Necromunda? Or other scifi games of similar scale? Do I not need terrain in those?

The walls are useless for normal 2000 point 40k and even in other "indoor close quarters" games they aren't very thematic. Maybe you could use some of the wall pieces but if you want a thematic indoor battle you need a lot more than just straight wall sections. I'm sure they're fine from a rules point of view but the layouts they make are hopelessly awkward and unrealistic. The only other game that wants to use them as-is is Kill Team, which isn't much of a surprise given the fact that the 40k game mode is clearly a case of "how do we make more people buy the Kill Team terrain".

Still don't know why they didn't just use the Zone Mortalis stuff that they already make.

No thanks. I'll just play Zone Mortalis, because it's just better because it's based on a better game with better Core Rules. And I'll pass on the terrain as well, the Necromunda terrain is better.

And the lore just looks like more "Abaddon is AWESOME", but you just know he'll still lose in the end. Because "The Lion is BACK!!". Blech.