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2023/04/19 17:36:15
Subject: 'Godzilla x Kong: The New Empire' - Second Trailer
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'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
The description (I only heard it read so don't have it to copy and paste) makes it sound like it is going to look at the war between Kong and Godzilla's ancestors that was hinted at in Kong vs Godzilla.
It may jump back and forth between Kong setting up the new subsurface world and the past showing what happened leading to titans saying "deuces" to that hidden world.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
creeping-deth87 wrote:I'm shocked this franchise is still going. Skull island was the only halfway decent film of the bunch.
Care to expand on this? As a life long hardcore G fan, I feel these films have been worthy (successors?) to the Toho series. I'll grant you Skull Island was amazing both as stand alone movie and as a wider part of the franchise. Better then GvK for me at least, which for me lacked something, although I'll be damned if I know what thatsomething was. But the movies themselves are hardly bad. The SFX are fantastic, as have been the sound tracks. The plot is about as deep and meaning for as you'd want from a G film and so far the cast (aside from Vera Farmiga, who didn't do much for me in KotM) has been great.
BobtheInquisitor wrote:The last three Monsterverse movies have delivered the Kaiju action and human-level cheese I crave from Godzilla films. I’m in.
An oft over-looked and under appreciated, yet vital aspect of the Godzilla films dating back to since forever!
BobtheInquisitor wrote: The last three Monsterverse movies have delivered the Kaiju action and human-level cheese I crave from Godzilla films. I’m in.
I think we can use the Michael Bay Transformer films as an example of getting that mix woefully wrong.
Both feature super sized combatants beaten the living snot out of each other. Monster verse still has the upper hand there though, as least you can tell who’s hitting who, with what, and where. It’s not a blurry mess of wasted CGI.
Both feature the human factor. But the Monsterverse never loses sight of just who the audience is here for.
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I thought the human cheese in GvK was a little too hammy for me.
Backfire wrote: My interest is piqued, although I am somewhat burnt out on this franchise already.
There was recently a conversation about how, unlike other franchises, there are several years between each film instead of two or three a year. With marketing it certainly feels like there is less time than that.
Backfire wrote: -G vs K was just all around bad with little or no redeeming elements.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
AduroT wrote: I thought the human cheese in GvK was a little too hammy for me. I thought King did a better job of playing it more straight.
KotM definitely has better human performances, but I just felt they got in the way of the action a little too much by trying to present the scale from their perspective. I prefer how GvK's cheese mostly just moves the plot forward but knows when to let the camera pan back and let us really see the fights.
KOTM would have the perfect amount of human cheese if they just cut out Wolf Dad, Crazy Ex Wife and Little Girl. Every scientist man and military person on the flying base was 100% on point.
BobtheInquisitor wrote: KOTM would have the perfect amount of human cheese if they just cut out Wolf Dad, Crazy Ex Wife and Little Girl. Every scientist man and military person on the flying base was 100% on point.
Yeah, the 'terrorist section' was just too much, even if they did set up the sequel (somewhat).
BobtheInquisitor wrote: KOTM would have the perfect amount of human cheese if they just cut out Wolf Dad, Crazy Ex Wife and Little Girl. Every scientist man and military person on the flying base was 100% on point.
100% I've seen people say that the giant flying ship was to unrealistic and what not. Buuuuut.... Does anyone else remember Don Frye and his flying drill submarine? THAT's acceptable, but CCH Pounder and her flying equivalent of an aircraft carrier isn't? Get a grip people!
Backfire wrote: Godzilla was just made too much of a wuss there. He was helpless against the Mechagodzilla without Kong and humans...
That's it! That's the something that doesn't sit right with me about GvK. They turned him into a wimp.
I mean, it's not like he can't be beaten in a fight and it's not unheard of for him to team up with other beasties either. That's all happened before. But he's never helpless like he was against Mechagodzilla.
Yes and even Kong needed help from damn humans to make tiny bit of progress against the Mech. It was too much nerfage for my taste.
A side note about "King of Monsters": is this the bluest movie ever made? Except for those parts which were completely orange? I know directors love those filters, but c'mon. I couldn't actually tell which parts of the movie were supposed to be underwater, and which weren't, they were all equally blue.
BobtheInquisitor wrote: KOTM would have the perfect amount of human cheese if they just cut out Wolf Dad, Crazy Ex Wife and Little Girl. Every scientist man and military person on the flying base was 100% on point.
100% I've seen people say that the giant flying ship was to unrealistic and what not. Buuuuut.... Does anyone else remember Don Frye and his flying drill submarine? THAT's acceptable, but CCH Pounder and her flying equivalent of an aircraft carrier isn't? Get a grip people!
Backfire wrote: Godzilla was just made too much of a wuss there. He was helpless against the Mechagodzilla without Kong and humans...
That's it! That's the something that doesn't sit right with me about GvK. They turned him into a wimp.
I mean, it's not like he can't be beaten in a fight and it's not unheard of for him to team up with other beasties either. That's all happened before. But he's never helpless like he was against Mechagodzilla.
Counter argument.
Mechagodzilla was kind of designed to take down other Kaiju, one on one. The design had the benefit of human knowledge regarding existing powers and abilities,
Godzilla, so far as is evident, has never fought anything like Mechagodzilla at that point.
Indeed, Kong and Godzilla are victorious because the human creators of Mechagodzilla never expected it to fight a tag team, or that one of said tag team would be using a powered weapon.
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Godzilla seemingly helpless until something turns the battle is pretty much a staple. Sometimes its human intervention, sometimes its an ally, most of the time its Mothra dying. The "oh no, Godzilla is going to die" scene is basically why they keep humans in the films.
Yeah, too often Godzilla films followed that Dragonball Z plot progression, which requires the first battle to stomp the hero and make the odds seem hopeless. Then the final battle is a n over correction where the hero seems totally overpowered and invincible. And the 90’s Godzilla films tended to rely on power ups and fireball fights to their detriment.
LunarSol wrote: Godzilla seemingly helpless until something turns the battle is pretty much a staple. Sometimes its human intervention, sometimes its an ally, most of the time its Mothra dying. The "oh no, Godzilla is going to die" scene is basically why they keep humans in the films.
This is definitely true of the Toho films, as is having 40 uninteresting minutes of human interaction before the kaiju action really gets going.
BobtheInquisitor wrote: KOTM would have the perfect amount of human cheese if they just cut out Wolf Dad, Crazy Ex Wife and Little Girl. Every scientist man and military person on the flying base was 100% on point.
100% I've seen people say that the giant flying ship was to unrealistic and what not. Buuuuut.... Does anyone else remember Don Frye and his flying drill submarine? THAT's acceptable, but CCH Pounder and her flying equivalent of an aircraft carrier isn't? Get a grip people!
Backfire wrote: Godzilla was just made too much of a wuss there. He was helpless against the Mechagodzilla without Kong and humans...
That's it! That's the something that doesn't sit right with me about GvK. They turned him into a wimp.
I mean, it's not like he can't be beaten in a fight and it's not unheard of for him to team up with other beasties either. That's all happened before. But he's never helpless like he was against Mechagodzilla.
Counter argument.
Mechagodzilla was kind of designed to take down other Kaiju, one on one. The design had the benefit of human knowledge regarding existing powers and abilities,
Godzilla, so far as is evident, has never fought anything like Mechagodzilla at that point.
Indeed, Kong and Godzilla are victorious because the human creators of Mechagodzilla never expected it to fight a tag team, or that one of said tag team would be using a powered weapon.
This is how i took it. Mecha godzilla was purpose built to be exactly the threat that it was.
These are my opinions. This is how I feel. Others may feel differently. This needs to be stated for some reason.
Godzilla was also tired from curb stomping that filthy gorilla so it isn't surprising that a mountain destroying Mechagodzilla would have the upper hand. I also get the impression from other conversations that people didn't realize how much bigger Mechagodzilla was; he was a roided out kaiju killing machine with Ghidora at the helm.
I suspect the next film will introduce Jet Jaguar, finally.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
Graphic novel prequel to Godzilla x Kong, plus a Kickstarter (already funded) with some hardcover exclusives.
'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
2023/12/03 23:35:14
Subject: Re:'Godzilla x Kong: The New Empire' - First Trailer
'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
2023/12/04 02:27:48
Subject: 'Godzilla x Kong: The New Empire' - First Trailer
