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FoxPhoenix135 wrote:Yup. I'd say this thread is just about run itself out.

UNLESS! Someone can tell me what should the squad size be of their termagant squads when using a dual Tervigon list. 10? 20? 30? I'm looking for a swarm list, and I need to know how many more gaunts I need to buy.

I think the News and the Rumors are done, and it's all down to Tactics and Strategies.

Hi Bugs,

Glad to see you still have an interest. I still have fun with the game, and I agree with Shuma that it HAS improved over the last couple of editions. It's not all I play, though.

Belphegor wrote:Can someone verify that the Toxic Sacs biomorph 4+ poison is applied to ranged weapons?

No, it's Close Combat only.

just fought it yesterday using the store copy with a friend. He was pissed that his army lost it's ability to be hurtful in shooting, as he ran warriors with deathspitter, thropes and boomfexes, can't biomorph as much as he used to and that after he won he went on to say that the Swarmlord is useless given that Kharn almost took it down solo.

Expect many same sentiments from other Nid players the first few weeks...just like us 3rd ed Chaos Marines.

Kurgash wrote:just fought it yesterday using the store copy with a friend. He was pissed that his army lost it's ability to be hurtful in shooting, as he ran warriors with deathspitter, thropes and boomfexes, can't biomorph as much as he used to and that after he won he went on to say that the Swarmlord is useless given that Kharn almost took it down solo.

Expect many same sentiments from other Nid players the first few weeks...just like us 3rd ed Chaos Marines.

No. Stop. I played 3rd Edition Chaos, and I now play 4th edition Chaos. The Nid codex by no means compares to the amount of crap in the Chaos Codex.

Darth Bob wrote:

Kurgash wrote:just fought it yesterday using the store copy with a friend. He was pissed that his army lost it's ability to be hurtful in shooting, as he ran warriors with deathspitter, thropes and boomfexes, can't biomorph as much as he used to and that after he won he went on to say that the Swarmlord is useless given that Kharn almost took it down solo.

Expect many same sentiments from other Nid players the first few weeks...just like us 3rd ed Chaos Marines.

No. Stop. I played 3rd Edition Chaos, and I now play 4th edition Chaos. The Nid codex by no means compares to the amount of crap in the Chaos Codex.

I apologize, I now found the word I was looking for in regards to both codices, Customization. Idk about you but I miss my 3rd Ed Chaos.

I miss the first 3rd ed. Chaos, I don't miss 3.5.

That gakked my army big time.

Fateweaver wrote:I miss the first 3rd ed. Chaos, I don't miss 3.5.

That gakked my army big time.

I can't remember which was which as I went over to fantasy for a time, what were the changes from 3rd to 3.5? All I remember my codex having was demonic gifts, good dreads, chosen terminators of tzeentch all casting spells, 2 wound rubric marines and chainaxes that did the 4+ armor save max

Janthkin wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:

And yes, some things don't change - enough people continue to buy/play that GW isn't motivated to write/edit better. Some of the new bugs should be lovely, though.

I thought fourth was much better than third and fifth much better than fourth. But thats just me. I've never played a game of second, so who knows.

Define "better?" We're still having an absurd number of arguments about things that a tiny bit of editing would render moot.

In terms of playing the game, there have been elements of the last four editions that I liked, and others that I haven't. (2nd was best for narrative story-telling, though, if abysmal from a balance perspective.)

It's certainly true that the game still has it's share of problems, but all games have those, and the core gameplay of 40k has improved in every edition since third. I don't see ridiculous phalanxes of men like I did in third, armies are now composed of something other than the elites slot with plasmaguns unlike fourth, and in sixth you will likely see an increase in "going to ground" style unit abilities when that arises. We're finally back to semi balanced armies (with a few exception in tourney play) and we've escaped blocks of men or ten hour games that were regular in third and second. 40k isn't a perfect game, but there are few out there with any level of customizability that are.

Yeah! Looking at you War machine!

Kurgash wrote:

Fateweaver wrote:I miss the first 3rd ed. Chaos, I don't miss 3.5.

That gakked my army big time.

I can't remember which was which as I went over to fantasy for a time, what were the changes from 3rd to 3.5? All I remember my codex having was demonic gifts, good dreads, chosen terminators of tzeentch all casting spells, 2 wound rubric marines and chainaxes that did the 4+ armor save max

That was 3.5. I had a WE army and while 4+ save axes were cool I hated chasing landraiders and landspeeders all game.

Not the thread for it but it made my army unfun. The newest CSM codex makes a Zerker heavy army usable again.