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 Flinty wrote:
It's not that stupid. Marines are well reported in the fluff to send out individual marines on missions or as advisors to other forces. Given the extremely limited number of Custodes out there it's not that foolish for them to be parcelled out in small numbers to specific flashpoints. Also there is lots of precedence for rag tag groups of survivors from different formations grouped together for a desperate action or last stand.

Right.

Totally normal for three Custodes to show up. That makes sense.

But, three Custodes Captains on Relic-level bikes to support a handfull of infantry in skirmish? I don't like the smell of it.

According to some fluff, every Power Fist in a Space Marine arsenal is a relic.

 drazz wrote:

 Flinty wrote:
It's not that stupid. Marines are well reported in the fluff to send out individual marines on missions or as advisors to other forces. Given the extremely limited number of Custodes out there it's not that foolish for them to be parcelled out in small numbers to specific flashpoints. Also there is lots of precedence for rag tag groups of survivors from different formations grouped together for a desperate action or last stand.

Right.

Totally normal for three Custodes to show up. That makes sense.

But, three Custodes Captains on Relic-level bikes to support a handfull of infantry in skirmish? I don't like the smell of it.

All that is missing is a young upstart to challenge each one to a duel on his first day in Paris. At least one book and probably several movies worth of stories there.

In terms of fluff I think you're protesting too much.

Ibfind it more realistic that in an Imperium of a million worlds, and only 10000 Custodes that they are sent out to be commanders nd champions as opposed to going out in force and leaving the seat and the emperor less guarded.


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To add; while I love the models, I dont really think they needed thierbown codex. A tiny sprinkle of them in Inperium armies where they are both in command, and very powerful individual models that can sway the course of a battle is EXACTLY how they should be.

Carlovonsexron wrote:
In terms of fluff I think you're protesting too much.

Ibfind it more realistic that in an Imperium of a million worlds, and only 10000 Custodes that they are sent out to be commanders nd champions as opposed to going out in force and leaving the seat and the emperor less guarded.


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To add; while I love the models, I dont really think they needed thierbown codex. A tiny sprinkle of them in Inperium armies where they are both in command, and very powerful individual models that can sway the course of a battle is EXACTLY how they should be.

Except they are never in command they leave commander CP in charge
They arn't leading they cower behind other units then leap forward to steel the glory
1 relic jetbike and 1 relic armour set just happens to have been given to 2 out of every 3 dawneagle dbags?
Real fluffy

Ice_can wrote:

Carlovonsexron wrote:
In terms of fluff I think you're protesting too much.

Ibfind it more realistic that in an Imperium of a million worlds, and only 10000 Custodes that they are sent out to be commanders nd champions as opposed to going out in force and leaving the seat and the emperor less guarded.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
To add; while I love the models, I dont really think they needed thierbown codex. A tiny sprinkle of them in Inperium armies where they are both in command, and very powerful individual models that can sway the course of a battle is EXACTLY how they should be.

Except they are never in command they leave commander CP in charge
They arn't leading they cower behind other units then leap forward to steel the glory
1 relic jetbike and 1 relic armour set just happens to have been given to 2 out of every 3 dawneagle dbags?
Real fluffy

You can make that argument for literally ANY relic though. That's especially true with Deathwatch, who would of course have all those relics and unique equipment to fight bad guys.

People often forget the notion of forging their own narrative.

Guilliman probably never fought himself and clones of his own chapter ontop of a giant table with beer cans and old duplo blocks for terrain, but here we are all the same.

The game's what you make of it.

Ice_can wrote:

Except they are never in command they leave commander CP in charge
They arn't leading they cower behind other units then leap forward to steel the glory
1 relic jetbike and 1 relic armour set just happens to have been given to 2 out of every 3 dawneagle dbags?
Real fluffy

I'm with the relic part; by my reckoning everything the custodes own is a relic.

As per how people play, I can't control that and don't actually play 40k itself at all. But from where I sit I prefer the Custodes being in small groups as opposed to entire army of them.

 Future War Cultist wrote:
I’ll start a thread in the proposed rules forum asap, but I’ll say it here too; I think one way to fix soup is to take the current system and put it into reverse. Make it go backwards. Instead of starting with 3 CPs and gaining more for adding detachments (which leads to the abuse), start with 9, 10, 12 or whatever CPs and lose them as you add detachments. A brigade loses you no CPs...a battalion loses you only 1...patrols only lose you 2...but the others lose you 3 or more. I haven’t worked out the finer details, but the aim is to put the breaks on soup lists and reward you for going as mono build as you can, whilst still allowing you to make soup if you want.

What your suggestion kills, however, are those forces that don't utilize battalions. I strongly dislike that the battalion is the be all, end all detachment, and if you don;t run one, you should be penalized. Ravenwing and Deathwing both depend on Outrider and Vanguard detachments for construction and are already heavily penalized for not having troops (except for the group that always says.."just take scouts"). Iyanden Spirit Hosts also rely on Vanguards. If GW had the smarts to address these forces (and others like it...say White Scars with bikes, etc) I would be OK with the CP situation. As it stands, extremely lore-fluffy lists are penalized heavily in the CP department.

Personally, I think the detachments should scale with points. A Brigade, Supreme Command, and Air Wing should not be taken until games reach 2001pts or more. I would have said the same for Super heavy too, but knghts being there own thing killed that and I wouldn't want to make someone's army unplayable.

Everyone starts with 6CP, Patrols add 0CP, Spearhead, Vanguard and Outrider add 1CP, Battalions add 3CP, and Brigades add 6CP.

In the "start with 1 cp per 10 points and lose them for each detachment" you'll have more CP running two vanguards @ 2k (20-3-3) than you would given the current 5 cp per bat or even your proposal (1+1+6).

It's the best way I've seen to stop pushing people to spam cheap batts outside of faction locking CP or tying CP directly to the amount of points spent in a detachment. I'd throw in a penalty for detachments that don't match your warlord and some formation stuff where armies pay less for certain detachments (for your death/ravenwing, dark eldar patrols, IG armor...)

All that being said it would be a pretty major re-design and I honestly doubt it would happen. Although I haven't bought my loyal 32 yet in the vain hope that GW figures out how to balance that gak.

Found this little tidbit about Karanak and the Flesh Hounds on the Age of Sigmar Facebook page:

Warhammer Age of Sigmar wrote: Hey there Issac. The new Flesh Hounds are on 60mm x 35mm oval bases while Karanak is on a 75mm x 42mm oval base.

Current Flesh Hounds are on 50mm round bases.

 Ghaz wrote:
Current Flesh Hounds are on 50mm round bases.

Which was always a mistake. Glad to see GW fixing that.

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Another short story.https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/11/29/tales-from-vigilus-04-amidst-the-flamesgw-homepage-post-3/

GoatboyBeta wrote:
Another short story.https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/11/29/tales-from-vigilus-04-amidst-the-flamesgw-homepage-post-3/

Spoiler:

Bird masks and flames makes me think Tzeentch cultists

Hoping for Dark Mechanicus too, given the setting of the story. I feared it was yet another GSC story but it feels unlikely. For some reason I really dislike the GSC fluff.

 Cephalobeard wrote:
People often forget the notion of forging their own narrative.

Guilliman probably never fought himself and clones of his own chapter ontop of a giant table with beer cans and old duplo blocks for terrain, but here we are all the same.

The game's what you make of it.

Because forge the narrative is marketing nonsense.

Guillimans clones are far more likely to happen in actual games, it has zip to do with background or snappy rhetorical catch phrases for sales.

Carlovonsexron wrote:

Ice_can wrote:

Except they are never in command they leave commander CP in charge
They arn't leading they cower behind other units then leap forward to steel the glory
1 relic jetbike and 1 relic armour set just happens to have been given to 2 out of every 3 dawneagle dbags?
Real fluffy

I'm with the relic part; by my reckoning everything the custodes own is a relic.

As per how people play, I can't control that and don't actually play 40k itself at all. But from where I sit I prefer the Custodes being in small groups as opposed to entire army of them.

A 2000pt Custodes army is like 20 guys, I’d say thats a small group.

I think we're done here TBH.