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 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
Sorry, but that pirate captain lady is just pants-on-head stupid. In case you didn't realize she's a ship captain, they gave her what looks like an actual piece of her ship's bridge to float around the battlefield on. Why would you want the captain of your ship floating around an active warzone instead of, oh I don't know, commanding the ship from the safety of said ship? They should have painted her as hologram - that would have made more sense at least.

Same reason Lotara just got a model even though she would never be caught dead running around on the surface.

This game doesn't really have non-combat models the way, say, that Game of Thrones game does. So they are what they are.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
While it might be a beautiful sculpt, your model of Roosevelt sitting at the Resolute Desk does not belong on the back of a jeep driving around Normandy.

Not without at least 2 M2 brownings mounted to the desk, with silver bullets for the Nazi werewolves.

I want it!

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
Sorry, but that pirate captain lady is just pants-on-head stupid. In case you didn't realize she's a ship captain, they gave her what looks like an actual piece of her ship's bridge to float around the battlefield on. Why would you want the captain of your ship floating around an active warzone instead of, oh I don't know, commanding the ship from the safety of said ship? They should have painted her as hologram - that would have made more sense at least.

::Gestures vaguely at the Wardens of Ultramar kit::

 BorderCountess wrote:

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
Sorry, but that pirate captain lady is just pants-on-head stupid. In case you didn't realize she's a ship captain, they gave her what looks like an actual piece of her ship's bridge to float around the battlefield on. Why would you want the captain of your ship floating around an active warzone instead of, oh I don't know, commanding the ship from the safety of said ship? They should have painted her as hologram - that would have made more sense at least.

::Gestures vaguely at the Wardens of Ultramar kit::

Gestures at every Rogue Trader who insists on overseeing combat personally, accompanied by their Navigator, and the head astropath of their choir, and their chief engineer.

Because in 40K, ship captains can still be swashbucklers and their word is law on their ships, including whether they get to leave to fight up close and personal.

Because 40K is meant to be silly.


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 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
While it might be a beautiful sculpt, your model of Roosevelt sitting at the Resolute Desk does not belong on the back of a jeep driving around Normandy.

In our world, no. In 40K it absolutely does.

Like, isn't that basically what the Inquisitor Fyodor Karamazov model was? He even had his paperwork and a clerk with him.

If jean luc Picard, captain of the most sensible SciFi in existence leads away missions then it behoves ship captains from one of the more bonkers scifis to at least match that energy....

Its not like 40k has been shy of having their strategic commanders lead from the frontline instead of from an exterminatus proof bunker thousands of ks from it.

Sail me closer I want to hit them with my sword

Don’t care. She’s going in my Underhive.

House Greim Overseer for the nascent settlement my campaigns will revolve around the founding and expansion of.

I know it makes sense. You know it makes sense.


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 cygnnus wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Tarrelian Dog Soldier, first shown in art in the 3rd Ed Rulebook.

Slicey-dicey
Onsey twicey
Fang and claw will
Kill Dredd nicely!

Sure looks close to a Klegg to me!

But, yes, def the old Terrelian Dog Solider.

Valete,

JohnS

Hey! Don’t be so judgemental. It could be Sensitive Klegg.

If the Honor Harrington series taught us anything that the bridge of a starship is not always the safest place to be.

Unless you happen to appear on the cover of the book. Or be a tree cat.

SnotlingPimpWagon wrote:
Can’t decide whether I like the Vyper update. Looks good, I like the profile a lot. Sharper details as well. Which is a rare sight nowadays (in resin/metal to plastic transition at least)

But the grooves on the old design and a more robust hull are such classic features, that have been burned into my brain since childhood.
The new one feels more like a plane, the old one - a fast weapon platform, which I slightly prefer.

Having a similar reaction.

I feel if you are going to go with the more "plane" style, there's no way the "gun pod" would be so... flimsily attached? You can argue anything is better than a guy sitting in a chair - but that felt reasonable for being "a bigger jetbike".

Which is exactly what they've seemingly done with the "Starfang" - although that's just giving me strange uncanny valley feelings. Like you've taken a 40k mini and then stuck some stuff from an entirely different producer on it. That will probably pass in time.

Kharseth is an obvious homage to the ancient old Farseer and I like it for that.

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
Sorry, but that pirate captain lady is just pants-on-head stupid. In case you didn't realize she's a ship captain, they gave her what looks like an actual piece of her ship's bridge to float around the battlefield on. Why would you want the captain of your ship floating around an active warzone instead of, oh I don't know, commanding the ship from the safety of said ship? They should have painted her as hologram - that would have made more sense at least.

If you'd ever watched any Star Trek.... You'd know that the command staff/bridge crew/senior officers ALWAYS personally go into battle.

The issue I have with the vyper is more that they have an automated turret on the wave serpent with a twin linked weapon, it seems silly not to put one on this platform when it's so small. A squadron of vypers puts twice as many Eldar at risk than the same number of wave serpents, with fewer weapons, less armour and no transport.

Just seems like an unnecessary amount of crew. I will fill in the cockpit with gubbins and leave off the canopy I think.




I must say that apart from some of the hilarious punk haircuts the red corsair marines look fantastic.

Its nice to see classic marine armour and helmets rather than the mono design primaris armour.

ccs wrote:

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
Sorry, but that pirate captain lady is just pants-on-head stupid. In case you didn't realize she's a ship captain, they gave her what looks like an actual piece of her ship's bridge to float around the battlefield on. Why would you want the captain of your ship floating around an active warzone instead of, oh I don't know, commanding the ship from the safety of said ship? They should have painted her as hologram - that would have made more sense at least.

If you'd ever watched any Star Trek.... You'd know that the command staff/bridge crew/senior officers ALWAYS personally go into battle.

Star Trek is stupid too. Yeah I said it big whup wannafightaboudit.

But anyway the more I think about it, what really bothers me about pirate lady is that they made her standing on what looks like a cross-section of her actual ship, which would make sense if it's part of a diorama, but nope we're supposed to accept it's an actual gaming piece but it's ok the writers will come up with some reason why it makes sense for her to be running around the battlefield on a piece of her bridge. Like Huron looks over at her, does a double-take. "Captain Sargotta! I thought I told you to remain aboard the Reign of Spite. What are you doing down here? And where the hell is the rest of my ship??"

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

ccs wrote:

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
Sorry, but that pirate captain lady is just pants-on-head stupid. In case you didn't realize she's a ship captain, they gave her what looks like an actual piece of her ship's bridge to float around the battlefield on. Why would you want the captain of your ship floating around an active warzone instead of, oh I don't know, commanding the ship from the safety of said ship? They should have painted her as hologram - that would have made more sense at least.

If you'd ever watched any Star Trek.... You'd know that the command staff/bridge crew/senior officers ALWAYS personally go into battle.

Star Trek is stupid too. Yeah I said it big whup wannafightaboudit.

No thanks, I don't care about your opinion of Star Trek.
But people (including myself a few years later) have been making fun of the ST bridge crews running off into harms way since Sept of 1966....
Entertaining TV, but it'd be pretty daft in reality.

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
But anyway the more I think about it, what really bothers me about pirate lady is that they made her standing on what looks like a cross-section of her actual ship, which would make sense if it's part of a diorama, but nope we're supposed to accept it's an actual gaming piece but it's ok the writers will come up with some reason why it makes sense for her to be running around the battlefield on a piece of her bridge. Like Huron looks over at her, does a double-take. "Captain Sargotta! I thought I told you to remain aboard the Reign of Spite. What are you doing down here? And where the hell is the rest of my ship??"

So rebase her. I'm sure you could scrounge up a tactical rock or something.

Red Corsair boarding actions must be a nightmare to organise if they have captain 'I'm not even going to wear a hat or breathing apparatus' accompanying the Marines. Boarding torpedoes are right out as a tactic...

That's true for Titus group as well.

I would much rather cool mixed units like this than just another boring marine command squad.

Tyel wrote:

SnotlingPimpWagon wrote:
Can’t decide whether I like the Vyper update. Looks good, I like the profile a lot. Sharper details as well. Which is a rare sight nowadays (in resin/metal to plastic transition at least)

But the grooves on the old design and a more robust hull are such classic features, that have been burned into my brain since childhood.
The new one feels more like a plane, the old one - a fast weapon platform, which I slightly prefer.

Having a similar reaction.

I feel if you are going to go with the more "plane" style, there's no way the "gun pod" would be so... flimsily attached? You can argue anything is better than a guy sitting in a chair - but that felt reasonable for being "a bigger jetbike".

Which is exactly what they've seemingly done with the "Starfang" - although that's just giving me strange uncanny valley feelings. Like you've taken a 40k mini and then stuck some stuff from an entirely different producer on it. That will probably pass in time.

Kharseth is an obvious homage to the ancient old Farseer and I like it for that.

It still is just a guy in a chair though. He's just got a little canopy covering his top half. You still see his/her little legs dangling down

Tsagualsa wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
What Xeno race is that lizard man? Looks like something worth fleshing out more.

As others have said, it's a Tarellian, a race notable for fighting as mercenaries for various sides regardless of their alignment. They've been mentioned to have worked for Huron, for various Chaos/Renegade groups, for Druchari and the T'au as far as i'm aware. They also have some noteworthy naval assets.

His sidekick is more interesting in my opinion: the preview states that it's a Barghesi, which is kind of a big deal - they've been alluded to as "hyper-violent" in source material at least as far back as 3rd edition, and they're reputed to be a major-ish galactic threat because of something in their biological make-up: the Imperium is very afraid of the 'nids getting hold of so much as a single sample of Barghesi genetic material, to the point that there's a dedicated chapter of Astartes whose job consists of making sure that no Barghesi leave their worlds, and nothing gets in, especially not nids. Barghesi violence-juice is one of the things that makes Bile's "New Men" so... violent, among other things. This critter here is the first official representation of a Barghesi in either model or art afaik, and it being just the pet of what might as well be a random Kroot is somewhat underwhelming.

Thank you guys. The more I hear about the lore the more I want to see a small unit of reptilians mercenaries and their pets. The sculpt also looks pretty good so its a nice starting point.

So what happens when that adolescent Barghesi gets absorbed as biomass by a Tyranid player? Game Over for everyone?

They should make a special rule stating that if that model gets incapacitated by a Tyranid opponent, the IoM is immediately removed from 40K

Kinda depressing that Chaos is getting mercs in their list and Dark Eldar keep losing their different species.

 cuda1179 wrote:
Kinda depressing that Chaos is getting mercs in their list and Dark Eldar keep losing their different species.

Is a not-Vyper with a slightly different gun not enough for you? /s

Now that the assets and design language is there, maybe there will be a Tarellian kill team.

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

ccs wrote:

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
Sorry, but that pirate captain lady is just pants-on-head stupid. In case you didn't realize she's a ship captain, they gave her what looks like an actual piece of her ship's bridge to float around the battlefield on. Why would you want the captain of your ship floating around an active warzone instead of, oh I don't know, commanding the ship from the safety of said ship? They should have painted her as hologram - that would have made more sense at least.

If you'd ever watched any Star Trek.... You'd know that the command staff/bridge crew/senior officers ALWAYS personally go into battle.

Star Trek is stupid too. Yeah I said it big whup wannafightaboudit.

But anyway the more I think about it, what really bothers me about pirate lady is that they made her standing on what looks like a cross-section of her actual ship, which would make sense if it's part of a diorama, but nope we're supposed to accept it's an actual gaming piece but it's ok the writers will come up with some reason why it makes sense for her to be running around the battlefield on a piece of her bridge. Like Huron looks over at her, does a double-take. "Captain Sargotta! I thought I told you to remain aboard the Reign of Spite. What are you doing down here? And where the hell is the rest of my ship??"

Again, you're applying a level of sense that does not and has never existed in 40K. It makes zero real-world sense for any officer in a high command position to be taking direct part in any combat in 40K rather than sitting in a secured HQ surrounded by datafeeds, a full staff, and communications apparatus. Eisenhower wasn't storming the beaches of Normandy in the first wave. But 40K doesn't follow real world sense, so Guilliman, and Calgar, and Shadowsun, and Farsight, and Creed etc. are all there, getting stuck in on the front line rather than overseeing the whole campaign.

The reason is that she wants to go out and take part in the ground fighting and direct her ship from her hovering battle-bridge, and she's the captain so what she wants, she gets.

It also makes zero sense for the leman russ to be such a tall tank when all it does is make it easier to be shot at.

Also to restrict power armour to just Space Marines and not use it wholesale for the entire armed forces

And to take a munitions tithe from a world under invasion and ship those munitions to an armoury that's so overoaded that its dumping excess in the recycler

Or to have zero concept of life-work balance and basic health and safety in a massive city-sized factory that's so bad with everything that whole regions just collapse into the ground enough to have allowed a civilization to arise in the depths!

Or or or or a thousand other things that makes a general or captain on the front lines seem sane and logical




Not to mention that 40K was born from the era of heroic films and franchises. That your general is on the front lines fighting and suffering because this makes them stronger and fight harder, better and do better in everything and stuff like that.

Honestly the only faction that should have generals on the front line is orks and Tyranids can justify it as "we can just make another identical, but really we should just use the mind link and not even need a local tyrant" (and then you can argue that they should just make armies of Hive Tyrants anyway)

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

Star Trek is stupid too. Yeah I said it big whup wannafightaboudit.

But anyway the more I think about it, what really bothers me about pirate lady is that they made her standing on what looks like a cross-section of her actual ship, which would make sense if it's part of a diorama, but nope we're supposed to accept it's an actual gaming piece but it's ok the writers will come up with some reason why it makes sense for her to be running around the battlefield on a piece of her bridge. Like Huron looks over at her, does a double-take. "Captain Sargotta! I thought I told you to remain aboard the Reign of Spite. What are you doing down here? And where the hell is the rest of my ship??"

They explicitly said on the stream that her floating platform had lots of mechadendrites and was able to hack into opposing ships systems to take them over and steal the vessel. Certainly seems reasonable that she'd do Boarding Patrol missions on that basis.

I don't think it's too silly that a battle can represent a attack by your opposition on one of Huron's leadership meetings etc either. Lots of things in 40k only make sense in a battlefield where you've had to come up with a fairly esoteric list of reasons why everyone is there. The Ultramarines very likely never fight the Blood Angels. Even Space Marine commanders would be in a tent five miles behind the front lines in practice. Guilliman would never make planetfall, he's just too busy.

These are all things we have to come up with mad scenarios to explain and suspend disbelief on a little bit.

Ooo, the dog in Huron's thing is a barghesi. There've been lots of fan interpretations of them, since they're known for wiping out lots of marines during the great crusade. And never being wiped out in turn, only held to a stellar region.

Baby Barghesi though! Is only ickle.

The 40k universe, like the Star Trek universe operates on a D&D style level system. The Captain is the highest level character and therefore has the most hit points, the best THACO, the most skills, is the best hand to hand fighter, the best marksman, the best shuttle pilot and has the highest move silently score.

Just accept it.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
The 40k universe, like the Star Trek universe operates on a D&D style level system. The Captain is the highest level character and therefore has the most hit points, the best THACO, the most skills, is the best hand to hand fighter, the best marksman, the best shuttle pilot and has the highest move silently score.

Just accept it.

Well, not always the case. The Imperial Navy, like the Guard and basically all Imperium bureaucracies, has a very big helping of 19th century style "buy your commission as you are from a noble family" going on. So the captain can just be born from the right family and gone through school plus some time as a junior officer, in some cases. And you could make some absolutely lethal arch militant characters in the Rogue Trader RPG who could gut any captain if that captain's arch militant didn't stop them first. But what the captain does have access to is first dibs on all the new toys.

Though the smart ones make sure their command staff are happy and looked after. Especially that Seneschal. They basically run this ship, after all. It's not like I have time to go over the minute details like food stores, fuel, ammunition and the like. I need to plan my next soiree. Well, I need to ask my seneschal to do that. But I do need to pick out my new outfit for it, out of the options provided by my trusty seneschal. After all, ruffs are out this year. I made sure of that after the incident with the soup at the anniversary of my ascension. So of course you can see that I am clearly too busy to deal with trifling matters.

And of course their family also basically runs my whole protectorate, too, as they do such a good job on the ship it was only proper to reward them. Why, without that one family, my whole trade empire would fall completely apart!

...

Hmmmm, I think I may have made a mistake here... Seneschal, connect me to the nearest choir relay, I need to send a message. Oh, don't worry about to whom, if it were that important I would be asking you to send the message, wouldn't I?



Now yeah, the Imperial Navy is different in some ways to Rogue Traders, but the captain will still be regarded as a a lord on their ship by the thousands of crew who live their entire lives in the bowels of the ship, never even seeing the captain, or any of their officers, only hearing about them in stories or announcements over the ships vox system. Tales will still be told in awed tones around the gruel dispenser about the great inspection of M41.998, when old Smitty actually caught a glimpse of the Lord Captain's Hat above the wall of her bodyguards.

Latest Valrak rumours for the 11th ed box:

Apparently, going to be titled "Armageddon"

Marines will get at least:
- New Interecessors (same loadout as before)
- Vanguard Vets
- Jump Chaplain

Orks will get at least:
- New Boyz
- 'Uge Kannon of sorts

Valrak suspects there will be at least a teaser for Armageddon at the next reveal stream during Adepticon

 tauist wrote:
Latest Valrak rumours for the 11th ed box:

Apparently, going to be titled "Armageddon"

Marines will get at least:
- New Interecessors (same loadout as before)
- Vanguard Vets
- Jump Chaplain

Orks will get at least:
- New Boyz
- 'Uge Kannon of sorts

Valrak suspects there will be at least a teaser for Armageddon at the next reveal stream during Adepticon

Cant say that sounds all that great. More push fit single sculpts no options Boyz? More intercessors?