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 NAVARRO wrote:

More push fit single sculpts no options Boyz?

The Necron warriors & Tyranid termagants released at the start of the last two editions both had weapon options, so I'm not sure why new boyz would be different.

“at least” leaves a lot of room for other stuff. Going off previous boxes, what’s listed should be only about half the contents.

(just my thoughts and guess, not facts to back that)


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 xttz wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:

More push fit single sculpts no options Boyz?

The Necron warriors & Tyranid termagants released at the start of the last two editions both had weapon options, so I'm not sure why new boyz would be different.

The nids in the starter box had no options, but the kit was designed that the extra sprue included in the normal/full retail box gave them a bunch.

Which was better then a lot of other starters, where the no-option units were overshadowed by the full kit once it came out. The nid extra sprue could kit out a lot of spare bodies, which were available in a number of places.

 xttz wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:

More push fit single sculpts no options Boyz?

The Necron warriors & Tyranid termagants released at the start of the last two editions both had weapon options, so I'm not sure why new boyz would be different.

Termagants only had Fleshborers in the Leviathan box though.


It'll take a lot to sell me on this one since I don't have much interest in Orks and Vanguard Vets seem like the sort of unit that it's worth waiting for the multi-part kit on. (And two Space Marine halves of Dark Imperium gave me all the Intercessors I'll ever need.)

 xttz wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:

More push fit single sculpts no options Boyz?

The Necron warriors & Tyranid termagants released at the start of the last two editions both had weapon options, so I'm not sure why new boyz would be different.

Terms were monopose and single weapon on all starters? The upgrade sprue with other pews pews came later on in individual box. Poses remained the same mono style...you can get away with that on terms though...

What should be different for Boyz? Well not what we have today, mono, lack options thats why we have 2 kits going on simultaneously.

In short monopose on Orks is a bad call IMO.

I think the most likely things will be 10 mono bodies with 2 arm load outs each, I shoota 1 slugga/choppa, with one also having heavy weapons. Not sure how they'll factor the Boss in, the bigger body makes them unlikely to be built from a boy without using the set up on the current multi part set. Otherwise, it'll just be a variation on the current mono build set with 10 more unique poses, and continue the trend of Ork releases being fairly unimpressive when taken in multiples, like the buggies.

 NAVARRO wrote:


What should be different for Boyz? Well not what we have today, mono, lack options thats why we have 2 kits going on simultaneously.

In short monopose on Orks is a bad call IMO.

The Monopose Boyz look a lot better than the multiparts, the only real problem with them is the mixed gear. I'd be perfectly fine with monopose boyz if there were two kits for full sets of shootas and choppas.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:


What should be different for Boyz? Well not what we have today, mono, lack options thats why we have 2 kits going on simultaneously.

In short monopose on Orks is a bad call IMO.

The Monopose Boyz look a lot better than the multiparts, the only real problem with them is the mixed gear. I'd be perfectly fine with monopose boyz if there were two kits for full sets of shootas and choppas.

I will be very happy to own a mix of all three

Latest Valrak rumours for the 11th ed box:

Apparently, going to be titled "Armageddon"

Marines will get at least:
- New Interecessors (same loadout as before)
- Vanguard Vets
- Jump Chaplain

Orks will get at least:
- New Boyz
- 'Uge Kannon of sorts

Valrak suspects there will be at least a teaser for Armageddon at the next reveal stream during Adepticon

Wasn't it Dark Eldar? And then wasn't it Chaos? I mean the marine side is more of an educated guess at this point really isn't it so as long as Valrak guesses enough times and reads any rumour posted, chances are he'll be right

I mean we probably aren't getting another Dread, so we'll probably get a full ten intercessors to bulk the set out a bit. We won't be getting Terminators (already easy build), and we're missing the shooty element it seems. So one more unit at least to try and get us into that 20 model bracket. Some form of Heavy intercessor unit but with super duper heavy bolters?

Hero wise... lets go for a LT in Scout Armour that acts as a spotter for friendly units. That way he can't really go in other units like the Phobos/Biologus from last time, but still feels super useful and means everyones going to want one.

Its difficult to say that monopose fits all swarm armies, but also I cant say all monopose is the same.

I can divide things as

- Monopose Poxwalkers with absolute loads of monos, no options miniatures.
- Monopose Termas, 10 poses and minimal alternative weapon sprues, they still look all the same though.
- Monopose Komandos Now you can build 2 very different minis per pose tooling 20 minis per box.

None of those come close to what we see in necromunda, multipart high customisable weapon packs, its a sandbox.

Orks boys should be sandbox kind of minis but if they will be in a starter I bet they will be Monopose Termas at best.

What I dont like about starter minis and looking at Nids, snap fits, no options, single minis, repacked with no extra options, at an absolute ridiculous price... Thats what Im not prepared to support.

It's interesting how much the rumor for the box has been pared down from previous videos. Valrak previously said it would be:

Devastator Captain

new Landspeeder variant

nu-Tactical Squad

Vanguard Veterans

Flame-based Dreadnaught variant

Multipart Outriders

 Gomezaddams wrote:

Latest Valrak rumours for the 11th ed box:

Apparently, going to be titled "Armageddon"

Marines will get at least:
- New Interecessors (same loadout as before)
- Vanguard Vets
- Jump Chaplain

Orks will get at least:
- New Boyz
- 'Uge Kannon of sorts

Valrak suspects there will be at least a teaser for Armageddon at the next reveal stream during Adepticon

Wasn't it Dark Eldar? And then wasn't it Chaos? I mean the marine side is more of an educated guess at this point really isn't it so as long as Valrak guesses enough times and reads any rumour posted, chances are he'll be right

I mean we probably aren't getting another Dread, so we'll probably get a full ten intercessors to bulk the set out a bit. We won't be getting Terminators (already easy build), and we're missing the shooty element it seems. So one more unit at least to try and get us into that 20 model bracket. Some form of Heavy intercessor unit but with super duper heavy bolters?

Hero wise... lets go for a LT in Scout Armour that acts as a spotter for friendly units. That way he can't really go in other units like the Phobos/Biologus from last time, but still feels super useful and means everyones going to want one.

He's been constant on orks for a year I think at this point. Dark eldar was online echo chamber stuff as a wish due to the age of the range.

 tauist wrote:
Latest Valrak rumours for the 11th ed box:

Apparently, going to be titled "Armageddon"

Marines will get at least:
- New Interecessors (same loadout as before)
- Vanguard Vets
- Jump Chaplain

Orks will get at least:
- New Boyz
- 'Uge Kannon of sorts

Valrak suspects there will be at least a teaser for Armageddon at the next reveal stream during Adepticon

New Intercessors? For real? And I thought the new Calgar was a questionable use of resources. Who on earth thinks _Primaris Intercessors_ are in need of an update?

(Aside from the people who would say "update them and make them look like firstborn again" - fair opinion, but you know that's not what GW is doing).

I could see them updating it to include Sgt weapons and maybe some options in place of the grenade launcher.

 Ashiraya wrote:

 tauist wrote:
Latest Valrak rumours for the 11th ed box:

Apparently, going to be titled "Armageddon"

Marines will get at least:
- New Interecessors (same loadout as before)
- Vanguard Vets
- Jump Chaplain

Orks will get at least:
- New Boyz
- 'Uge Kannon of sorts

Valrak suspects there will be at least a teaser for Armageddon at the next reveal stream during Adepticon

New Intercessors? For real? And I thought the new Calgar was a questionable use of resources. Who on earth thinks _Primaris Intercessors_ are in need of an update?

(Aside from the people who would say "update them and make them look like firstborn again" - fair opinion, but you know that's not what GW is doing).

Nine years between updates is actually one of the longer stretches between the Space Marines basic infantry kits being upgraded (87, 92, 95, 99, 13, 17 and now 26).

 tauist wrote:
Apparently, going to be titled "Armageddon"

This is interesting, because it strongly hints that it will be set on the world of Armageddon, presumably advancing the story into the 4th War for Armageddon (or the next phase of the 3rd War, since I don't think it ever officially ended). I'm curious if the marines will be Ultramarines again, or one of the chapters more associated with Armageddon such as Black Templars, Blood Angels, Salamanders, Space Wolves, White Scars, or even one of the less famous chapters such as the Howling Griffins. Likewise, it would be neat to see the orks have some Armageddon-specific units like the Red Skull Kommandos.

 Ashiraya wrote:

New Intercessors? For real? And I thought the new Calgar was a questionable use of resources. Who on earth thinks _Primaris Intercessors_ are in need of an update?

Intercessors are the basic infantry unit for marines. They aren't going to not include any in the starter set, and the starter set minis are always new sculpts.

 Perfect Organism wrote:

 tauist wrote:
Apparently, going to be titled "Armageddon"

This is interesting, because it strongly hints that it will be set on the world of Armageddon, presumably advancing the story into the 4th War for Armageddon (or the next phase of the 3rd War, since I don't think it ever officially ended). I'm curious if the marines will be Ultramarines again, or one of the chapters more associated with Armageddon such as Black Templars, Blood Angels, Salamanders, Space Wolves, White Scars, or even one of the less famous chapters such as the Howling Griffins. Likewise, it would be neat to see the orks have some Armageddon-specific units like the Red Skull Kommandos.

 Ashiraya wrote:

New Intercessors? For real? And I thought the new Calgar was a questionable use of resources. Who on earth thinks _Primaris Intercessors_ are in need of an update?

Intercessors are the basic infantry unit for marines. They aren't going to not include any in the starter set, and the starter set minis are always new sculpts.

In terms of rumours, Valrak has been saying for that last 6 months or so that the Marines will be depicted as Blood Angels in the art and box - but the models themselves won't have any Chapter-specific markings molded on.

Maybe that's what the "Protests at GW HQ" video story line will be building up to.

 Perfect Organism wrote:
Intercessors are the basic infantry unit for marines. They aren't going to not include any in the starter set, and the starter set minis are always new sculpts.

I get why they do it, but something is a bit depressing about how the resources are divvied up.

I am not a Marine hater or anything, but Marines being fed so much new stuff that perfectly modern kits are replaced solely for the sake of having something new to put in the mandatory box while other ranges have models from last century will always feel off to me.

Like yeah sure Intercessors are going to be 3 editions old now. But miniature technology is reaching a plateau. The improvement of 2017 to 2026 was not even a fraction as big as, say, 2005 to 2014. It's like computers and phones. Intercessors are genuinely fine.

Look at, say, the current 10e Terminator Squad boxset. If you told me GW is going to keep that boxset forever I'd be cool with that. I don't see why that'd have to change even when we reach, say, 2032. I am sure the kit will remain very good even then.

Is this just me getting old?

Yes and no?

You’re right. Marines absolutely do get the Lion’s share of releases. No point disputing a cast iron fact.

But.

In more recent years? We’ve seen a concerted effort to update Everyone Else. Orks, Eldar, Tyranids and Necrons have all pretty considerable updates, and entirely new models.

There is of course more to do (Dark Eldar for instance need a whole heap of loving), and let’s face it there always will be.

But overall? I think the ratio is better these days.

Hence yes and no as an answer to your question.

40K Wise I'd argue Dark Eldar are the last army in need for some attention. At least when talking about full factions and not subfactions that sometimes are their own army and are sometimes just splinters inside another army.

After that pretty much every 40K army will have had a major update with mostly modern plastics and very little finecast left.

It really just remains to be seen if Dark Eldar get a big lump update with loads of updated/replaced/new kits or if the continue as they have for a while; getting the odd new kit here and there.

They’re a real blind spot for me.

Their range is getting on for what, 15, 16 years old now? More?

But, that update wasn’t just comprehensive, but really effing good. Like, more than cutting edge good. And so I easily forget how long ago it was, because the majority of their range date from then and don’t blood look it.

And yet? Since then? They’ve not actually had any models or units added. At all. Indeed as others have pointed out? They’ve lost special characters, Trueborn and those Fancy Wyches - also the Archon’s Court, or so I’m told.

Instead, like the trap Eldar fell into with their Aspect Warriors from Rogue Trader to….i wanna say 9th Ed? Only enjoyed iterations on what already exists.

Yes it’s always good to have a unit move to plastic. But they’ve kinda rotted on the vine, with no additions or expansions.

 Overread wrote:
40K Wise I'd argue Dark Eldar are the last army in need for some attention. At least when talking about full factions and not subfactions that sometimes are their own army and are sometimes just splinters inside another army.

After that pretty much every 40K army will have had a major update with mostly modern plastics and very little finecast left.

It really just remains to be seen if Dark Eldar get a big lump update with loads of updated/replaced/new kits or if the continue as they have for a while; getting the odd new kit here and there.

I would say that if factions like World Eaters are to be something taken seriously as an army of their own they also need a lot more. They are frightfully thin.

It remains a bit strange (and I'm not really complaining) that we now have all 4 Chaos Cult Marines as well as Red Corsairs, upcoming Iron Warriors, new Nightlords and even already Primaris replacements, but the loyalist Grey Knights remain in the older scale.

Sgt. Cortez wrote:
It remains a bit strange (and I'm not really complaining) that we now have all 4 Chaos Cult Marines as well as Red Corsairs, upcoming Iron Warriors, new Nightlords and even already Primaris replacements, but the loyalist Grey Knights remain in the older scale.

Yeah, Grey Knights need to a complete range refresh. Though these days they seem rather pointless as Custodes have usurped their role as better-marines.

 Crimson wrote:

Sgt. Cortez wrote:
It remains a bit strange (and I'm not really complaining) that we now have all 4 Chaos Cult Marines as well as Red Corsairs, upcoming Iron Warriors, new Nightlords and even already Primaris replacements, but the loyalist Grey Knights remain in the older scale.

Yeah, Grey Knights need to a complete range refresh. Though these days they seem rather pointless as Custodes have usurped their role as better-marines.

To be honest, I wouldn't mind seeing Grey Knights relegated to a couple datasheets in a the Imperial Agents Codex.

Whilst I'm not the worlds greatest fan of "endless colours of space marines". I do feel that removing an army like that in that way would be the wrong move for fans. The time to do that was if they had just one or two models only to their name; but they've been a while standing army for a good while now. It's not like they are one or two models that can roll back into a main arm codex (like how Harliquins rolled back into Craftworld).

 Overread wrote:
Whilst I'm not the worlds greatest fan of "endless colours of space marines". I do feel that removing an army like that in that way would be the wrong move for fans. The time to do that was if they had just one or two models only to their name; but they've been a while standing army for a good while now. It's not like they are one or two models that can roll back into a main arm codex (like how Harliquins rolled back into Craftworld).

It happened to the Deathwatch.

 Ashiraya wrote:
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Like yeah sure Intercessors are going to be 3 editions old now. But miniature technology is reaching a plateau. The improvement of 2017 to 2026 was not even a fraction as big as, say, 2005 to 2014. It's like computers and phones. Intercessors are genuinely fine.

Look at, say, the current 10e Terminator Squad boxset. If you told me GW is going to keep that boxset forever I'd be cool with that. I don't see why that'd have to change even when we reach, say, 2032. I am sure the kit will remain very good even then.

Well, scale creep for one. By 2032 termies will be about 1.5" tall and on 50mm bases.

Missed opportunity to just release an intercessor tactical squad, so we can replace the old tactical squad.

 Lathe Biosas wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

Sgt. Cortez wrote:
It remains a bit strange (and I'm not really complaining) that we now have all 4 Chaos Cult Marines as well as Red Corsairs, upcoming Iron Warriors, new Nightlords and even already Primaris replacements, but the loyalist Grey Knights remain in the older scale.

Yeah, Grey Knights need to a complete range refresh. Though these days they seem rather pointless as Custodes have usurped their role as better-marines.

To be honest, I wouldn't mind seeing Grey Knights relegated to a couple datasheets in a the Imperial Agents Codex.

I'm the opposite, if rather see a refresh and dissolve the agents book and move the relevant units into their ordo codex like it used to be in the good old days.

Marines will get at least:
- New Interecessors (same loadout as before)

Which means, they keep / return the currently unsupported Stalker/Auto Bolt/Bolt Rifle variants?

Might be the least plausible thing about this, IMO. If they refresh Intercessors, surely they'd get rid of all the options currently on them that are effectively "legends" as rules-support goes?