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Have you seen the new Superman movie screenshots? Underwear on the inside of the pants!!! Basically it looks like the new comic book. I bet they knew all along and that's why they changed it in the comic.
Found a site that seems legit on subs, plus I like the fact they invoice you each month and you pay for the comics being held plus postage and then they send it out.
Seemed a much better plan than pre-book six monthly spreads on a couple of others. So yeah, gone with Economic Comics, haven't found any horror stories about them, but if anyone has dealt with them on Dakka and whats to throw in an opinion I'm all ears to hear it.
Really not sure where to go in the end, so got Batman, Catwoman, Batwoman, Birds of Prey and Suicide Squad on pre-order. Pretty much covers all my fave DC characters, so I'll see where they go.
"That's not an Ork, its a girl.." - Last words of High General Daran Ul'tharem, battle of Ursha VII.
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reds8n wrote:
been reading Grant Morrison's "Supergods" book which I can thoroughly recommend , almost essential reading really.
I'm not so sure.
It's a good read, to be certain, but I think you have to be a Morrison
fan to really get the most out of it. My favorite parts have to be the
ones where he describes the King Mob/Magic/Invisibles stuff, but I
hear that was already pretty well known before that.
Some of the history is fascinating, and some of it is just a big
rambling mess inter-stitched with stories of his own coming of age
as a comic book writer/counterculture musician/magician.
I'm also surprised that for all his love of superheroes as mythical
figures he doesn't say a single word about Busiek and Astro City.
Some of the Invisibles/magic stuff had been talked/gossiped about before, nice to get a "definitive" account though.
The comic history, combined with his analysis of some of the heroes and stories is what i really enjoyed.
..well.... that and the partial retelling of the Robbie Williams, Frank Quitely, LSD and him story too .
Especially his thoughts about the changes to Batman and Superman, especially with regards to their placings in American society and their comparative successes. Bodes well for the Action Comics reluanch methinks.
... Bleeding Cool is reporting that Justice League #1 has broken the 200,000 mark with regards to pre orders !
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
Yeah, when the new X-Men #1 came out they were talking about how the old X-Men #1 in the 90s sold 8,000,000 copies. The industry will never get back to that.
I think a lot of the reason for that is that comics are being written by fans, for fans. They're too layered in complexity and reference obscure older characters too much to be recognisable to the average reader. I mean, the batman movies were very popular, and when a kid picks up a batman comic, he's going to be expecting something like that. If he gets a pile of Morrison garbage instead, he's not going to keep reading.
I dislike Morrison and his ilk intensely because I feel they are marginalising super hero comics.
Alpharius wrote:Go back even further and look at the circulation numbers for comics like Action, Detective and even the early Marvels from the 60's!
...but I don't want to. Can't you just tell me? Use spoiler tags for those who don't like the ending ruined.
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Da Boss wrote:I think a lot of the reason for that is that comics are being written by fans, for fans. They're too layered in complexity and reference obscure older characters too much to be recognisable to the average reader. I mean, the batman movies were very popular, and when a kid picks up a batman comic, he's going to be expecting something like that. If he gets a pile of Morrison garbage instead, he's not going to keep reading.
I dislike Morrison and his ilk intensely because I feel they are marginalising super hero comics.
Well that's kind of the whole point of the DC relaunch. Though I think the Batfamily stuff might still be a bit complicated even afterwards.
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Yes, but did you notice my X-Men factoid had 6 zeros?
Automatically Appended Next Post: Fine, you made me look it up. Here's an interesting thingamabob about comic sales over the ages: http://enterthestory.com/comic_sales.html Apparently back in the days of WWII DC was selling some titles in the 1-2 million range. Probably due to the lack of television...
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"...he could never understand the sense of a contest in which the two adversaries agreed upon the rules." Gabriel Garcia Marquez, One Hundred Years of Solitude
I think it's off to a good and measured start. Darkseid is obviously a villain worthy of the team origin story, and I liked their take on Paradaemons.
Clearly they're going to take some time to develop the team and the personal interactions, which is fun to read already and should get even better (Supes vs. Bats next ish!). I think some might be put off by certain characterizations -- namely GL being exceptionally cocky and overconfident -- but IMO it works and makes sense. At that point in time, Hal Jordan probably has reason to think he's invincible. He's carrying the ultimate weapon, trained by the Guardians, backed by an army of other GLs, etc. He just hadn't quite run into anything like a Kryptonian yet. And I expect Darkseid and company to humble him even more.
And although Supes has two lines in the entire issue, they're good lines. "I don't handle easy" is perfect...confident but not cocky, and plain spoken like you'd expect from a Kansas farmboy. I'm very excited for Action Comics #1.
One small criticism is that I don't see how Cyborg fits this team...at least not yet. I think they're right to try to make the DC universe more diverse and multicultural. But my gut reaction looking at the lineup is six icons plus a Teen Titan along for the ride. Cyborg's a fine character, but he's simply not at the right level. I suppose the root of the problem here is DC's somewhat embarrassing shortage of A-list nonwhite heroes. So since this is a reboot after all, perhaps this will be about elevating Cyborg (and eventually others) to the proper level. And I'm cool with that.
Will be interesting to see how long they take to assemble the lineup, and then see if they stick with it. At first I thought Morrison erred to expand his JL lineup so quickly, but then grew to really like his "Olympian" take.
I will say I hope J'onn makes it over to the JL sooner rather than later.
.. No problem as such with Cyborg being "bigged up", but did strike me as something of an odd choice possibly. One would suggest that Blue Beetle would perhaps be a better fit here, he'd fill the same "tech guy" type roll and of course he has his own series too.
Great art by Mr. Lee and some great lines.
.. was a bit odd, almost had to keep reminding myself that this is the first time these guys had ever met.
Did you note the odd little cameo in the crowd during the football game ?
Spoiler:
Box out panel with the " You have to see this kid" line. Right corner, the woman with the purple hood/cloak. She seems to be ain most/all of the new books somewhere or other..
.. is she the cosmic entity type being from Flashpoint who fuses this new universe togther ?
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
Beetle woulda been an interesting choice. I thought Steel was terrific in that role in the Morrison team, but then I guess Steel doesn't exist at the "time" of the book. And will he exist going forward? Will the Death of Superman storyline even have taken place? Curse you, rebooted universe.
Spoiler:
Didn't know that bit about the woman. Maybe she's observing/judging the new universe, and if it's found wanting, she'll reboot everything and restore old continuity...but with a few changes...again...for the Nth time.
Edit: Maybe she's just the new Time Trapper? It's a purple hood...
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I don't know how long it'll take for the reboot to start over here, but I have to say I'm tempted to buy single issues again. Then again, the time they'll show up here, I can probably get English trade paperbacks.
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When I picked up my comics, the store owner said, "Not getting
any reboot, huh?" I told him I was never really interested in
DC Comics outside of their one shot series like Red Son or
Dark Knight Returns, etc. Ongoing continuity? No thanks!
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"...he could never understand the sense of a contest in which the two adversaries agreed upon the rules." Gabriel Garcia Marquez, One Hundred Years of Solitude
Good point. They say they make most of their money on trades nowadays anyways. So maybe a price drop is in order. Especially for marvel who costs a buck more I believe.
I was in Ipswich on Friday and thought what the hell and picked up JL #1 from the local comic store.
Spoiler:
Liked it quite a lot, although a few brain 'wtf' moments with all the not knowing one another thing.
In general, interested by the story, and now caught with the ponder on if I should add JL to my subs to make a total of six.
It might be nice to see other DC characters like Green lantern and Flash, where I would normally not be interested in their standalone efforts.
On a side note, I really liked Cyborg in the Teen Titans cartoon, so i'm eager where the go with him. If he he gets boosted up to the same level as the rest of the JL I won't be complaining.
At the very least its got me excited for the ones I have pre-ordered.
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"That's not an Ork, its a girl.." - Last words of High General Daran Ul'tharem, battle of Ursha VII.
Two White Horses (Ipswich Town and Denver Broncos Supporter)
Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:Found a site that seems legit on subs, plus I like the fact they invoice you each month and you pay for the comics being held plus postage and then they send it out.
Seemed a much better plan than pre-book six monthly spreads on a couple of others. So yeah, gone with Economic Comics, haven't found any horror stories about them, but if anyone has dealt with them on Dakka and whats to throw in an opinion I'm all ears to hear it.
Really not sure where to go in the end, so got Batman, Catwoman, Batwoman, Birds of Prey and Suicide Squad on pre-order. Pretty much covers all my fave DC characters, so I'll see where they go.
Economic Comics are just AMAZING.
Very good customer service. If they don't get a comic in for you they let you know right away. I got a free massive poster because they couldn't get any in. Not only that, but they occasionally make very good suggestions. Also; if you're away (I was in hospital), you can email the guy and he'll add comics to your subscription.
It took a while, but The return of Bruce Wayne is finally done. And while I'm really looking forward to Batman Inc. there's one thing that really bothers me about Morisson's Batman. I like his heroes, especially the character dynamic between Dick and Damian, but his villians suck. I just don't like Black Glove and Professor Pyg has to be one of the most annoying villians ever. Morisson is heralded as the comic writer of our time, but I have some real problems understanding why.
And while we're at it, can someone explain to me why All-Star Superman is so good? Because I don't see it.
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I'm really looking forward to this month's reboots. I think it's a great idea, especially from the perspective of the Bat family and GL Corps fans.
@Anung Un Rama: Morrison really is very good but it doesn't help that everyone is always screaming it at you (comic nerds being naturally contrarian and anti-mainstream). The Batman of Zur-En-Arrh angle, for example, was brilliant fun. If you ever doubt the degree to which he has spoiled you, (re)read Cacophany and Widening Gyre. As to his villains: you have to consider them in light of their context rather than as fully-developed archetypes like the Joker or even someone like Deadshot. Black Glove was more of a plot point than anything and the absurd horror of Pyg works really well contrasted to Dick's sense of humor.
I'm really going to miss Dick wearing the cowl. That's some of the best Batman I've ever read.
, almost essential reading really. 
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And I expect Darkseid and company to humble him even more.
