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 Imateria wrote:
At that point it feels like you have 2 characters trying to do the same thing and one of them is just vastly superior at it.

I see what you are saying but I think Drazhar will still make it into lists.

More seriously I'm not sure that's a bad thing - depending on how builds end up looking I guess. If something's efficient for its points, its rare for taking more of it to be a bad idea.

Be interesting to see how both of them get on charging into a brick of DG/DA terminators.

Any leaks for Flayed Skull? I enjoyed proxying them a couple of times in 8th.

Out of curiosity - any leaks on the beasts? AKA razorwings?

No Cronos here yet?




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And Talos:

Maybe is not enough, but Cronos got way better. The ability looks improved now that it can ressurrect models, maybe I pick one

 Denegaar wrote:
Maybe is not enough, but Cronos got way better. The ability looks improved now that it can ressurrect models, maybe I pick one

Eh I don't think for the price point it works. The main reasoning for the Apothecary working is two-fold:
1. He's a character and can hide
2. Marines have a lot more expensive models they can resurrect
What's the most expensive model a Chronos can bring back? As well, he's a monster and easily targeted.

Points up through elites look unchanged.

Any new models?

 Jimbobbyish wrote:
Any new models?

No hope for that. Just unit upgrades.

 Daedalus81 wrote:
Points up through elites look unchanged.

Where are they up?

 Anglacon wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:
Points up through elites look unchanged.

Where are they up?

Sorry should phrase that differently. HQs, Troops, and Elites don't look to have point changes ( aside from maybe a couple weapons ).

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 Jimbobbyish wrote:
Any new models?

No hope for that. Just unit upgrades.

Damn, I don't play Drukhari but that still sucks for the games.

Huh, if points are the same then Kabalite Warriors look pretty good. Compare them to Skitarii Rangers (which are admittedly not good right now) and they are strictly better or equal in every aspect AND cheaper. (you can debate superiority of splinter rifle vs galvanic rifle)

Or am I remembering the points wrong? Skitarii Rangers at 9 and Kabalite Warriors at 8, correct?

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 Anglacon wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:
Points up through elites look unchanged.

Where are they up?

Sorry should phrase that differently. HQs, Troops, and Elites don't look to have point changes ( aside from maybe a couple weapons ).

Ok it looks like everything is the same points.



Bloodbrides - as Trueborn, one unit, they have WS 2+, bonus Ld and upgraded Blade Artists (6+ to wound gain -1 AP, Bloodbrides gain -3 AP), wracks also get one unit like this Haemoxytes - +1 Inv save, bigger Ld and once per phase, they ignore damage from a first failed saving throw.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Denegaar wrote:
Maybe is not enough, but Cronos got way better. The ability looks improved now that it can ressurrect models, maybe I pick one

Eh I don't think for the price point it works. The main reasoning for the Apothecary working is two-fold:
1. He's a character and can hide
2. Marines have a lot more expensive models they can resurrect
What's the most expensive model a Chronos can bring back? As well, he's a monster and easily targeted.

My first thought was resurecting grotesques. That would be strong, but the cronos needs to actually kill things to use that ability

In melee!

Any news on Grotesques? My goon squad is worried.

He can ressurrect a Talos.

 Denegaar wrote:
He can ressurrect a Talos.

Calling the day 1 errata right now.

 vipoid wrote:

 Denegaar wrote:
He can ressurrect a Talos.

Calling the day 1 errata right now.

Well they did not errata Marine Bike necromancy instantly.

Sotahullu wrote:

 vipoid wrote:

 Denegaar wrote:
He can ressurrect a Talos.

Calling the day 1 errata right now.

Well they did not errata Marine Bike necromancy instantly.

You guys are acting like it's achievable in the first place lol.

 vipoid wrote:

 Denegaar wrote:
He can ressurrect a Talos.

Calling the day 1 errata right now.

If the Cronos needs to kill something in combat then thats OK, it's never going to happen anyway.

 harlokin wrote:
Any news on Grotesques? My goon squad is worried.

3-6 model units which kind of sucks as I used to run 10

I'm glad to see both Incubi and Drazhar are still murder machines, Drazhar in particular is pretty crazy keeping his killing ability while also getting buffs to his survivability. Assuming he's a template for future rules for Phoenix Lords, we can assume they will also get 4+ invuln. base and a -1D rule, followed by an aura that buffs their corresponding aspect and a specific bespoke rule that's tied to them only.

This book is so cool

Splinter Rack = always double tap
Cronos buffs characters and Core units with rerolls of 1s to wound and also gets Blade Artist
Hellions can now charge after a fall back
Vect is awesome
Lelith is awesome

 Daedalus81 wrote:
This book is so cool

Splinter Rack = always double tap
Cronos buffs characters and Core units with rerolls of 1s to wound and also gets Blade Artist
Hellions can now charge after a fall back
Vect is awesome
Lelith is awesome

Are you trying to make memes?

Yeah, not to dampen enthusiasm, but Cronos and Hellions could already do that.

Unless the Cronos effects shooting as well? My Spanish isn't remotely good enough, and... well, I guess google translate is right there.

Be interesting to see if raider spam becomes preferred over venoms. Sort of feeling Dissies have been really overnerfed. Still okay I guess on base 2 wound MEQ - but its becoming a really specialised where efficiency falls off a cliff if you target something softer or tougher than that.

I guess that was kind of the purpose. Having dissies being the best at everything wasn't exactly fine.

10 Incubi average 12 dead MEQ on the charge, and with their Tormentors rule they'll be scary for anything else to charge. Best to feed them bolters. Hellions got Hit and Run? Before the unit the rule was originally made for? Grrrr.

Anything on Mandrakes?

Tyel wrote:
Yeah, not to dampen enthusiasm, but Cronos and Hellions could already do that.

Unless the Cronos effects shooting as well? My Spanish isn't remotely good enough, and... well, I guess google translate is right there.

Be interesting to see if raider spam becomes preferred over venoms. Sort of feeling Dissies have been really overnerfed. Still okay I guess on base 2 wound MEQ - but its becoming a really specialised where efficiency falls off a cliff if you target something softer or tougher than that.

The chronos affects only melee.


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 Imateria wrote:

 vipoid wrote:

 Denegaar wrote:
He can ressurrect a Talos.

Calling the day 1 errata right now.

If the Cronos needs to kill something in combat then thats OK, it's never going to happen anyway.

It doesn't work like that.

The chronos restores one wound to a nearby unit for each model it kills in melee. If the unit has no wounds but models lost, it can restore a model with a single wound left.

Wait, so we have a hellion sheet now?