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I do like this update. Mind you I also don't mind that ancient crab one either. But if your going to update a model, go to town on it. Looks like GW did that.

Stock images show the same main body with differing arms. Dare Chaos players hope the design is magnet friendly?

I wonder what'll happen to Soul Grinders?

That's pretty damn cool. I like the old defiler more as an actual defiler, but this hit's a 6 as far as whacky daemon engine goes.

Love the breadth of head choices too!

I like the look generally, but it suffers from Centurion-itis, in that where the flippety-flip do the weapon worky bits fit in the torso?

Maybe less of a worry as this is a daemon, and therefore physics is most definitely optional, but the previous version had a more generous space allowed for under the head to fit the battlecannon breech.

I reckon a Soulgrinder will just become the CC version of this now.

That's very nice.

And hey, Emperor's Children will finally have access to some heavy weapons!

They're still not making the flesh/metal interface convincing, nor am I convinced flesh is necessary on a possessed machine in the first place, but it's certainly a more exciting model than the old Defiler and the Dinobots.

God-Legion and Iron Warriors specific parts? Oh man I'm really gonna struggle when this comes out.

I like it, even if it's very round.

This one is fantastic. Huge improvement over the original and way better than those last guys.

I'm digging this one! Lot less derp than the previous Defiler IMHO. Also like that its at least slightly modular, will no doubt make some conversions and that easier

 The Phazer wrote:
That's very nice.

And hey, Emperor's Children will finally have access to some heavy weapons!

The article doesn't say that. There are god-specific heads, but that doesn't mean there'll be rules for them for each of the non-CSM codices.

I think this is a good upgrade. Keeps the soul of the original but updates it to look a little less goofy.

twoseventwo wrote:
What do people find to be good GW examples of machine/flesh monstrosities? I'm not sure I can think of many (the Dark Vengeance Helbrute perhaps).

The answer to that question is that new Defiler. I think it looks great.

My particular favourite is the stretched flesh over the mechanical parts of that flail arm in the main photo. That looks spot on.

Additionally, the article implies at the end the rumoured Eye of Terror end of cycle book will be revealed next week.

Is that the last of these end of cycle reveals, or will there be another book or two to tide us over until 11th ed gets released?

Into the Maelstorm has new Detachment options for Chaos Space Marines, Aeldari, Orks, and Leagues of Votann. 500 Worlds has ones for Space Marines and Necrons.

Eye of Terror will probably do Iron Warrior detachments, could easily see some mix of Imperial Fists, Black Templars, both flavours of Knights and maybe the other cult marines in there.

Maybe another book with Tyranids, Tau, Guard, Genestealers?

I also like what I'm hearing about the new character generation rules in the upcoming Campaign book. I hope those will also be around when 11th hits, as would offer the sort of customization we took for granted with the older editions, even if only for the HQ

NOW THAT is a Defiler!!

So glad I never built and sold my old Defiler. I guess I'm going to need to restart my Iron Warriors army.

That's a very nice defiler update indeed! Can't remember the last time a new vehicle looked like it has this many options in the box, looks like a set you'd happily buy a couple of.

Would have preferred a more Brass Scorpion approach to Daemon Engine visuals. It's telling that the best looking image is the IW one, where the flesh is tonally matching the armour.

I suppose covering and/or replacing the fleshy bits might be a cool project down the line.

I want to paint these like my Hellbrute with the "flesh" painted like metal and some cabling done in organic paint schemes (as well as a metric tone of hazard stripes). Similar to how I painted my chaos spawn:



This could almost get me to work on my Iron Warriors again

EDIT: added a pic, fixed some broken italicization.

.... No.... It looks like a $150 modeler/painter's nightmare even with the options.


Just... No....

Well, that's one serious glow up! Straight from one of the worst chaos models to one of the best!

The new defiler is ok, but I don't like the weird flail claw thing. It looks...wrong. Like, how does it even work?
Fortunately, you don't NEED to have that and can use other build options, which do look better, imo.




I do like the biomechanical horror aspect of it. Very consistent with what chaos is supposed to look like.
It actually reminds of a strogg, funnily enough.
Quake / 40k crossover when?

 Flinty wrote:
I like the look generally, but it suffers from Centurion-itis, in that where the flippety-flip do the weapon worky bits fit in the torso?

Maybe less of a worry as this is a daemon, and therefore physics is most definitely optional, but the previous version had a more generous space allowed for under the head to fit the battlecannon breech.

I reckon a Soulgrinder will just become the CC version of this now.

Idea: flip the "breast"-plate by 180°, switch position of the chest gun and the head (or swap the head for something suitably gribbly) - should nicely dilute the "this is a big dude with crab legs" silhouette.

Not sure I like this. The fleshy bits on the Venomcrawler worked because the carapace was a rigid defined shape like an arthropod exoskeleton and the Obliterator fleshy bits are recognizably human suggesting a familiar skeletal structure inside. The Defiler looks like a bunch of legs and armored bits stuck into a wad of chewed bubblegum - I can't make out what, if any, the internal structure is supposed to be. Maybe a 360 view will help.

Tsagualsa wrote:

 Flinty wrote:
I like the look generally, but it suffers from Centurion-itis, in that where the flippety-flip do the weapon worky bits fit in the torso?

Maybe less of a worry as this is a daemon, and therefore physics is most definitely optional, but the previous version had a more generous space allowed for under the head to fit the battlecannon breech.

I reckon a Soulgrinder will just become the CC version of this now.

Idea: flip the "breast"-plate by 180°, switch position of the chest gun and the head (or swap the head for something suitably gribbly) - should nicely dilute the "this is a big dude with crab legs" silhouette.

Ooooh, that sounds cool. You would end up with something a bit more Exocrine, but it would definitely decouple the weapon breech from the neck

alternatively, move the chest weapon down to the thorax... although that might be appropriate for Slaaneshi defilers only. It make them even more aptly named...

Slipspace wrote:

 The Phazer wrote:
That's very nice.

And hey, Emperor's Children will finally have access to some heavy weapons!

The article doesn't say that. There are god-specific heads, but that doesn't mean there'll be rules for them for each of the non-CSM codices.

I think this is a good upgrade. Keeps the soul of the original but updates it to look a little less goofy.

GW confirmed in the comments under the Facebook post that they will be added to the EC army and that's what the extra head is for.

loving the twin-las option and multiple god loadouts. Kind of hope they allow dual twin reaper autocannons - that will make it kind of like the AA variant that was added to Epic:Armageddon

Looks cool, but absolutely horrifc to paint.

Hot dang! A couple of these guys will look great with my guys.