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I’m really liking the posing options. Gun platform and more upright is my favourite. But the more actiony combat pose is cool too.

Yeah, something is a little off for its shape silhouette, it gives me Hellpit Abombination vibes with how its profile is. I also think that the thin spindly waist leading to its torso isn't the greatest. Overall, not bad, but I think it could have done the fleshmetal part better than what it is currently.

 Grimskul wrote:
Yeah, something is a little off for its shape silhouette, it gives me Hellpit Abombination vibes with how its profile is. I also think that the thin spindly waist leading to its torso isn't the greatest. Overall, not bad, but I think it could have done the fleshmetal part better than what it is currently.

You have just taken the first step on the way to the truth. All of the models in this layout, the defiler, the Hellpit abomination, and some others, are just echoes of the true evil. A subtle reminiscence of an eldritch form, that haunts the dreams of many a modeller. Countless bottles of glue have been wasted on trying to contain it, many a pin set in its festering plastic only to delay the inevitable for a couple of days. Gaze at the true shape of the destroyer - if you dare.



And so, everything old is new again.

I like it! Good range of customisation options. Could do with something to make it look a bit more 40k, can't put my finger on it... bigger shoulders?

Hmm. I don't play CSM but I am tempted to get one of these.
Looks like left arm is flail, las cannon, or missiles, while right is lascannon, autocannon, or flamers. chest is plasma or demolisher cannon, and then light stubbers or flamers. And 6 heads, multiple carapace plates, 2+ poses. Amazing kit.

I think it looks super rad. Much improved over the original, just a super nasty/mean look to it. I really like the assembly options, and how they handled the head, that was what I was most worried about. Also it looks like the chest cannon is going to have different options as one looks like a plasma maybe then the traditional battle cannon on the Iron warriors one. Also the new scruge looks sooooooo cool

Tsagualsa wrote:

 Grimskul wrote:
Yeah, something is a little off for its shape silhouette, it gives me Hellpit Abombination vibes with how its profile is. I also think that the thin spindly waist leading to its torso isn't the greatest. Overall, not bad, but I think it could have done the fleshmetal part better than what it is currently.

You have just taken the first step on the way to the truth. All of the models in this layout, the defiler, the Hellpit abomination, and some others, are just echoes of the true evil. A subtle reminiscence of an eldritch form, that haunts the dreams of many a modeller. Countless bottles of glue have been wasted on trying to contain it, many a pin set in its festering plastic only to delay the inevitable for a couple of days. Gaze at the true shape of the destroyer - if you dare.

Spoiler:

And so, everything old is new again.

Oh you sweet summer child with ribbons in your hair. That was the second coming of that Dragon.

Talisman. That’s what you want. Yes.

on the negative side:
- Battlecannon looks too stuby imo,
- the flesh bits were unnecessary, especially for a daemonengine without meat inside.
- No new Weapons? No Inferno lafette?

On the positive side:
- Legion and god specific.
- The pose overall looks great.
- Dual equal weapon is now a thing.

Overall.... i am not sure. Whilest the defiler was in line for an upgrade since ever, i'd personally would've prefered a more Decimator type upgrade in looks and some new toys that allow for a propper siege vehicle. Alas I guess it's fine.

That's a really good update. Any idea how big the base is? It'll probably cost a squillion euros but it might actually justify the price, it's a great model.

Looks like it's still on its old 160mm base.

Tournament players with their rigid layouts won't be happy, haha.

 Hellebore wrote:

 vipoid wrote:

twoseventwo wrote:
What do people find to be good GW examples of machine/flesh monstrosities? I'm not sure I can think of many (the Dark Vengeance Helbrute perhaps).

The tendency for 'Eavy Metal painters to maintain very distinct colours for flesh and metal probably doesn't help their cause.

Not an official model but I do love this version of a Grotesque:

That's a clone creature from the alchemists of dirz faction in confrontation if anyone wants to get some. I'm partial to their aesthetic, quite like the sentinels of danakil unit.

https://cadwallon.com/rackham-confrontation/armies-of-darkness/alchemists-of-dirz?orderby=price-desc

Oh, that's cool. I'd assumed it was a conversion.

Appreciate the link.

Nice that it's available to all the Legions, but hopefully they don't have faction-locked loadouts for them, like the WE only being able to take melee arms or some gak.

That's an absolute stunner of a model. The Oblits were a dissapointment, but this guys is a true masterpiece.

Sgt. Cortez wrote:
IBut I like they kept weapon options and added some god-specific head options, which is unfortunately rare with GW these days.

I was thinking the same, very unusual. Maybe there's hope for the Carnifex?

Okay, wasn't expecting the duel lascannon option that's new, and quite tempting.

How delightfully repulsive, love it. It fits in better now with the Venomcrawler, Helstaker and Vashtorr. I wonder if the Heldrake is going to be getting a more organic fleshy makeover?

Not any time soon. GW isn't doing much in the way of flyers of late, and besides, the Heldrake is a vastly, vastly newer kit.

I really like it, the new defiler is the sort of flesh-metal monstrosity I would expect Chaos.

I don't have my hopes up for it soon but I'd love a Chaos abominations army box with the new defiler, mutilators, etc.

I have to say, Chaos have gotten A LOT of love here. Huron, Red Corsairs, RC upgrade sprues, IW leader, IW upgrade sprues, mulilators, defiler. And not too long ago Raptors. About the only thing left on the bingo card is bikers.

With the more modern daemon engines (Dinobots onwards) it does feel like a move away from “Marines but with spikes on”.

I still have a strong wish for Chaos to be an all-in-one anarchic hodge podge of an army. But I’m not gonna knock what they’ve received all the same.

I like some aspects of the new Defiler, but not the fleshy bits. I would have preferred twisted cabling and tubes, like the HR Giger art that inspired the original Chaos Marines.

 Ashiraya wrote:
Not any time soon. GW isn't doing much in the way of flyers of late, and besides, the Heldrake is a vastly, vastly newer kit.

Of course it could be argued that they don't really need to.
Only the Votaan & GSC don't have access to flyers atm. Everyone else has 1 or more in their rosters already or can ally some in. And that's not even counting any Legends flyer units

Of course the poor Helldrake could use better rules....

And a tail!

I think there's something creepy and cool about it only being the business end of the dragon, personally. Like a half dead, reanimated thing. Carrion. If they changed it to just a robot dragon I'd not be half as interested. Horses for courses though

It does need more Dakka though.

I don't like that the Defiler looks so much like the various different elements of it are all copy-pasted from other models.
Missiles - Helbrute
Spikes - Venomcrawler
Exhausts - Forgefiend
Flamers - Helldrake
But none of it really looks like a Defiler has for the last quarter century...

It's even got Abaddons trophy rack on its back.

Fleshy bits work for me. Proper unholy amalgam. Looks suitably tortured too. We know the Daemon inside wasn’t exactly a willing inhabitant, and the model to my eyes is suggestive of something inside straining to escape its confines.

I think, if I was anything like a good enough painter? I’d want to be painting runic script all over the squishy bits. Give the suggestion of extensive binding keeping the daemon lock up, and perhaps to help restrain it from killing everyone when it comes to ship it out.

 Shakalooloo wrote:
Nice that it's available to all the Legions, but hopefully they don't have faction-locked loadouts for them, like the WE only being able to take melee arms or some gak.

Nah, it'll have the same options but also get the standard WE reduced BS for Rapid Fire.

I like the new model.
The fusion looks interesting.
The leg joins no longer look like Happy Meal toy connections.
They appear to have a semi-realistic mechanical function.

But I really don't look forward to the cost.
The Daemon Prince, Heldrake, Maulerfiend, etc. being $89 does not make my expectations palatable.
Especially as I would like one for several of the Chaos factions.



Agree.
That is a problem with 3D CAD modeling/sculpting.
Duplicated parts are something the human eye can detect on a subliminal level.
That's where a lot of Myminifactory & Cults stl designs fall down for me also.
It makes sense to reuse assets that you've already spent design time to create.
The exact duplication becomes obvious and gives that soulless feel.
Particularly to those of us who have spent 25+ years kitbashing, to where we can spot the components.
Using the same style and creating a new object would be a better artistic route, but a less efficient design time & cost.

The same issue pops up when a pose is simply mirrored.
If the pose doesn't get some tweak, the mirror stands out.

The old style multipart marines let you create them with subtle changes to each model, despite the small range of motion allowed.
Whether you intentionally made them different, or it happened organically, the result was the same.
The brain processed them as being different poses, not cloned.

Similarly, look at some old metal sculpts (like Cadian officers) where they took a base model and changed up the heads or gear.
If you had familiarity with one version, you will notice the deja vu of the others.