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Yeah, that's what I get for quick referencing battlescribe instead of looking at my book. :p.

I am not a fan of the chaplain dread only because I don't want to spend the $$$ on models I can't take at a local tournament and which I need another book to run, 2 is bad enough thanks to gw trying to keep some relevance to the indexes. Having said that, ironclad dreadnaughts are awesome and need a ride to the front lines...

I just wish we could put masters on bikes...... So lame.

Azuza001 wrote:
Yeah, that's what I get for quick referencing battlescribe instead of looking at my book. :p.

I am not a fan of the chaplain dread only because I don't want to spend the $$$ on models I can't take at a local tournament and which I need another book to run, 2 is bad enough thanks to gw trying to keep some relevance to the indexes. Having said that, ironclad dreadnaughts are awesome and need a ride to the front lines...

I just wish we could put masters on bikes...... So lame.

DA cannot use Ironclad dreads and yes I wish we had a master on a bike, then again talonmasters are really good.

SpaceJS wrote:

Azuza001 wrote:
Yeah, that's what I get for quick referencing battlescribe instead of looking at my book. :p.

I am not a fan of the chaplain dread only because I don't want to spend the $$$ on models I can't take at a local tournament and which I need another book to run, 2 is bad enough thanks to gw trying to keep some relevance to the indexes. Having said that, ironclad dreadnaughts are awesome and need a ride to the front lines...

I just wish we could put masters on bikes...... So lame.

DA cannot use Ironclad dreads and yes I wish we had a master on a bike, then again talonmasters are really good.

Ironclads wouldn't really benefit from being DA anyway so you could always ally it in with a raven. You could do the same with a bike captain but that likely defeats the purpose of him - unless he's there to buff the dread, then go for it, tho you'd probably be better w a JP captain inside the raven instead

So, do storm ravens have any place in competetive DA lists, or is it better to run dark talons?
To me storm raven seems pretty expensive

Ive been to a tourney recently with my azrael hellblaster gunline, but it struggled gainst mass hordes like astra militarum so i'm wondering whats the best unit to deal with such enemies

Timur wrote:
Ive been to a tourney recently with my azrael hellblaster gunline, but it struggled gainst mass hordes like astra militarum so i'm wondering whats the best unit to deal with such enemies

For good rate-of-fire, the old reliable Twin Assault Cannon Razorback is still decent value, just not as much of an auto-take as it used to be. Other possible units to consider for this role would be Land Raider Crusaders (bit expensive for what you get though), Repulsors (same story), Dark Talons, Stormravens with Hurricane Bolters (also expensive) or even a full squad of Assault Bolter Inceptors. Even Heavy Bolter Devastators can be good, and they can even use the Hellfire Shells stratagem to throw out a few mortal wounds.

Another solution would be to ally in a couple of Astra Militarum Vultures, with their double Punisher cannons.

Is it worth modifying for a Librarian on Bike, or would you just go with a jump pack? For almost the same points, The bike has 5T and the dual bolters. With the FAQ there is no point in using the jump packs deep strike capability.

Timur wrote:
So, do storm ravens have any place in competetive DA lists, or is it better to run dark talons?
To me storm raven seems pretty expensive

Ive been to a tourney recently with my azrael hellblaster gunline, but it struggled gainst mass hordes like astra militarum so i'm wondering whats the best unit to deal with such enemies

My brother's DA had some success in fielding aggressors with Azrael.

Timur wrote:

Ive been to a tourney recently with my azrael hellblaster gunline, but it struggled gainst mass hordes like astra militarum so i'm wondering whats the best unit to deal with such enemies

Dark Talon for me - ideally fly over the front line who you bomb, then 24 bolters hitting on 2's does work. Get sneaky and use SotR on it.

The speeder characters do well at horde clearing too

If you've got aggressors in your Azrael bubble and a couple of dark talons, you should be alright. Scout bikes are great value too

 Brother Payne wrote:
If you've got aggressors in your Azrael bubble and a couple of dark talons, you should be alright. Scout bikes are great value too

This...

I run 2 squads of 5 Aggressors and when i run pure DA (leaving my Shield capts home) i add 2 Dark Talons.

Shrapnelbait wrote:
Is it worth modifying for a Librarian on Bike, or would you just go with a jump pack? For almost the same points, The bike has 5T and the dual bolters. With the FAQ there is no point in using the jump packs deep strike capability.

I really like to use a librarian on a bike, he can be a force by himself often

Hey,
I'm building a more or less competitive DA force and I'm into wysiwyg. What do you think is there a place for several (3 units) of RW bike squads with 2 plasma and a storm bolter on the sergeant or is just two squads with triple plasma so much better always? I have only two combi-plasma bitz, but several bikes so I started thinking what if.. I will br spending my CP's of WotDA on my hellblasters accompanied with Azrael, lieutenant and ancient anyways..

Xirax wrote:
Hey,
I'm building a more or less competitive DA force and I'm into wysiwyg. What do you think is there a place for several (3 units) of RW bike squads with 2 plasma and a storm bolter on the sergeant or is just two squads with triple plasma so much better always? I have only two combi-plasma bitz, but several bikes so I started thinking what if.. I will br spending my CP's of WotDA on my hellblasters accompanied with Azrael, lieutenant and ancient anyways..

Ravenwing Bike Squadron Sergeants from the Codex cannot take Storm Bolters or combi weapons. He can take Pistols or Melee weapons.

TangoTwoBravo wrote:

Xirax wrote:
Hey,
I'm building a more or less competitive DA force and I'm into wysiwyg. What do you think is there a place for several (3 units) of RW bike squads with 2 plasma and a storm bolter on the sergeant or is just two squads with triple plasma so much better always? I have only two combi-plasma bitz, but several bikes so I started thinking what if.. I will br spending my CP's of WotDA on my hellblasters accompanied with Azrael, lieutenant and ancient anyways..

Ravenwing Bike Squadron Sergeants from the Codex cannot take Storm Bolters or combi weapons. He can take Pistols or Melee weapons.

But the index wargear allows you to so its fine.

I think 2 plas and storm bolter would be fine. A combi plas would probably be optimal, but I wouldn't worry about it too much. Just make sure they've all got chainswords and not bolt pistols

I use the Index for my Librarian on a Bike...because I used bolt cutters on my Codicier from 1997. Beyond that, if you are into Wysiwyg then why not be into the Codex?

Thanks guys, I had totally missed that one out.. Battlescribe screwing.. like with the twin autocannon option on venerable dread..

This is more of a modeling issue, but how you guys have been modeling the chainswords on your bikers? Especially those with let's say plasma gun. I don't like the idea to model my drivers "no hands, no hands!" style, so just glue a chainsword or plasma gun on the the bike or do you know if they let you just say in tourney's that these all are equipped with chainswords? Atleast you can do that with bolt pistols, but chainswords feel a bit different.

After your thoughts, I'm doing my bikes as:
6x plasma gun, chainsword
7x chainsword (3x sergeants, 4x marines)
Attack bike with heavy bolter

Xirax wrote:
Thanks guys, I had totally missed that one out.. Battlescribe screwing.. like with the twin autocannon option on venerable dread..

This is more of a modeling issue, but how you guys have been modeling the chainswords on your bikers? Especially those with let's say plasma gun. I don't like the idea to model my drivers "no hands, no hands!" style, so just glue a chainsword or plasma gun on the the bike or do you know if they let you just say in tourney's that these all are equipped with chainswords? Atleast you can do that with bolt pistols, but chainswords feel a bit different.

After your thoughts, I'm doing my bikes as:
6x plasma gun, chainsword
7x chainsword (3x sergeants, 4x marines)
Attack bike with heavy bolter

I plan on magnetizing the guns (plasma, melta, flamer) from the Veterans pack (I think), the ones that don't have hands, to the bikes. That way I can swap loadouts if I want. Then I'm going to put Chainswords in the left hand.

Is it worth putting a power axe on the Sargent?

Anyone with exprience running the Assault version of the Hellblaster Guns ? Im going to try it out with a bunch of Aggressors. Interested to see anyones opinion on them having given them a try ? Ill give feedback when i get in a game.

 zedsdead wrote:
Anyone with exprience running the Assault version of the Hellblaster Guns ? Im going to try it out with a bunch of Aggressors. Interested to see anyones opinion on them having given them a try ? Ill give feedback when i get in a game.

They'd be alright if they weren't more expensive.

 zedsdead wrote:
Anyone with exprience running the Assault version of the Hellblaster Guns ? Im going to try it out with a bunch of Aggressors. Interested to see anyones opinion on them having given them a try ? Ill give feedback when i get in a game.

I have used them yesterday and they performed quite well, I let them walk up behind a leviathan dread with Azrael and a lieutenant. I might change the lieutenant to a tech marine though.

Shrapnelbait wrote:

Xirax wrote:
Thanks guys, I had totally missed that one out.. Battlescribe screwing.. like with the twin autocannon option on venerable dread..

This is more of a modeling issue, but how you guys have been modeling the chainswords on your bikers? Especially those with let's say plasma gun. I don't like the idea to model my drivers "no hands, no hands!" style, so just glue a chainsword or plasma gun on the the bike or do you know if they let you just say in tourney's that these all are equipped with chainswords? Atleast you can do that with bolt pistols, but chainswords feel a bit different.

After your thoughts, I'm doing my bikes as:
6x plasma gun, chainsword
7x chainsword (3x sergeants, 4x marines)
Attack bike with heavy bolter

I plan on magnetizing the guns (plasma, melta, flamer) from the Veterans pack (I think), the ones that don't have hands, to the bikes. That way I can swap loadouts if I want. Then I'm going to put Chainswords in the left hand.

Is it worth putting a power axe on the Sargent?

I bought a bunch of the chainswords off ebay from the Mk3 (I think?) tactical box that don't have hands or arms on to stick to the bikes. And no I don't think it's work a power weapon (of any kind) on the sarge. The chainswords are only there because they're better than bolt pistols, not because the bikes should be looking to be in combat

axisofentropy wrote:

 zedsdead wrote:
Anyone with exprience running the Assault version of the Hellblaster Guns ? Im going to try it out with a bunch of Aggressors. Interested to see anyones opinion on them having given them a try ? Ill give feedback when i get in a game.

They'd be alright if they weren't more expensive.

Yeah it's the price that turns me off them. The two shots at full range is nice, but the price and lower strength don't make it worth it imo. I run standard incinerators alongside aggressors and they pretty much always rapid fire after T1 ayway. I find the ability to overcharge for S8 invaluable against both T7 and 8 stuff

I had some success with a 3 man squad of bikers with flamers yesterday. Playing against space wolves,and out of courtesy that he didn't have a codex, I didn't use strategems or psychics that weren't in the index. I took them up the side of the board and into his Intercessors, which was the least melee capable unit he had. After dealing 3 wounds, they charged into melee. He was forced to bring his 5 man unit of skyclaws over to help out, but all three squads basically bounced hits off each other for the rest of the game.

Take away:
1) my one squad tied up two squads for the entire game, so not as good as a kill, but I think that makes their points back in a game with objectives.
2) I could definitely see the squad doing well against T3 low save infantry like cultists, IG, etc. Having the speed to get into flamer/rapid fire range from across the board was really useful.
3) Melee wasn't that bad of a place to be as long as you pick your targets. T5 3+ defense vs basic HTH attacks really held out.
4) Going to equip the Sargent with a power axe, I was really wishing for something that would punch through the MEQ instead of bouncing everything.

Paul Dennett got 7th place with Dark Angels in Games Workshop's Grand Tournament final at WarhammerFest. Anyone know where to find his army roster?


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Got an answer in the tournament thread

Scarecrow20 wrote:
I played the dark angels guy. He was spot on player
From memory he had....
He had 3 dark talons... flyers
3 squads of scouts
Belile (excuse spelling)
Loads if bikes with plasma. Think 2 x 3 and 1 x 6
Tank to give - 1 hut bubble
Dude on a landspeeder with sword twin assault n heavy bolter
Landspeeder with twin assault and heavy bolter

 axisofentropy wrote:
Paul Dennett got 7th place with Dark Angels in Games Workshop's Grand Tournament final at WarhammerFest. Anyone know where to find his army roster?


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Got an answer in the tournament thread

Scarecrow20 wrote:
I played the dark angels guy. He was spot on player
From memory he had....
He had 3 dark talons... flyers
3 squads of scouts
Belile (excuse spelling)
Loads if bikes with plasma. Think 2 x 3 and 1 x 6
Tank to give - 1 hut bubble
Dude on a landspeeder with sword twin assault n heavy bolter
Landspeeder with twin assault and heavy bolter

Looks like a decent reasonable non-spam list, I'm happily surprised.

 axisofentropy wrote:
Paul Dennett got 7th place with Dark Angels in Games Workshop's Grand Tournament final at WarhammerFest. Anyone know where to find his army roster?


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Got an answer in the tournament thread

Scarecrow20 wrote:
I played the dark angels guy. He was spot on player
From memory he had....
He had 3 dark talons... flyers
3 squads of scouts
Belile (excuse spelling)
Loads if bikes with plasma. Think 2 x 3 and 1 x 6
Tank to give - 1 hut bubble
Dude on a landspeeder with sword twin assault n heavy bolter
Landspeeder with twin assault and heavy bolter

Somehow I'm failing to see how Belial fits into that list at all.

Pretty sure, he means Sammy. If so that's almost identical to my regular list.

Sneggy wrote:
To clarify on paul dennetts dark angels army list:
Sammael on speeder
2 talonmaster one has heavenfall blade
1x8 black knights
2x3 bikes one unit is flamer, other is grav
3x5 scouts
3 dark talons
1 darkshroud.

That makes much more sense. I like that list, but I'm not sure it would do that well in my hopped-up ITC meta. I'm curious on the choice of grav guns too; the one time I tried them way back at the beginning of 8th edition, they just didn't perform. If they were Assault 2 instead of Rapid Fire, they'd be okay. As it stands, I'd much much rather have plasma.

I am working on a mobile type of list besides my Azrael Hellblaster gunline list, and this does give me a good starting point. I'll probably have a unit of Plasma Inceptors in mine, though.

 axisofentropy wrote:

Sneggy wrote:
To clarify on paul dennetts dark angels army list:
Sammael on speeder
2 talonmaster one has heavenfall blade
1x8 black knights
2x3 bikes one unit is flamer, other is grav
3x5 scouts
3 dark talons
1 darkshroud.

Interesting choice on the Grav bikes. Not sure i would run them like that. Is this list pre FAQ ? because i dont think this is a 2000 point list.

Looks to be over by about 60 points (could be more depending on Scout loadouts), so maybe pre-FAQ. Easy enough to adjust and keep the theme.

I'm getting ready for a 1,250 Great Crusade tourney. We have to have a named character and the list should represent his retinue. No super-heavies and only two Detachments. Since I've taken Azrael to the last two tourneys I am thinking:

Sammael on Corvex
Talonmaster
Ravenwing Black Knights x 6
Darkshroud
Tactical Squad with Lascannon
Scouts with Sniper Rifles/Cloaks
Scouts with Heavy Bolter
Dark Talon

I could sub-in Sammael on Sableclaw and go with less heavy weapons/snipers in the Troops. The Corvex model looks cooler though...

I have plenty of Ravenwing bikes and Ravenwing Elites (Champion, Apothecary etc) that could go in place of the Dark Talon, but it looks so nice and it draws attention.

Thoughts from my brother Masters?