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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/06 00:29:21
Subject: Local RTT REQUIRES 3 color minimum....
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Huge Hierodule
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What's a TFG?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/06 00:30:06
Subject: Local RTT REQUIRES 3 color minimum....
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Nigel Stillman
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Ozymandias wrote:
-quotes removed-
I know it's fun to bash the WC as a more visible version of a tournament gamer, but come on, enough is enough already and frankly, your effort was a little late to the party and rather pathetic (once again, I'm not part of the WC and have never been to any national tournament).
Ozymandias, King of Kings
I'm not bashing the WC.
From what you've quoted they seem like a great group of people.
What I'm saying (or at least, tried to say) is that Deadshane is ruining it for the rest of them.
Whether you like it or not, groups are often perceived via the actions of 1 person. In this case, Deadshane.
By rules-lawyering his way into a tournament, my views have been dimmed. Because you know, why would the WC allow someone like this into their group?
Hopefully this makes sense. I have a terrible way with words.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/06 00:31:58
Subject: Local RTT REQUIRES 3 color minimum....
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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@Ifurata: " TFG" is generally defined in the Dakka glossary as "That F'n Guy" - if you mouse over " TFG", it'll even define it for you. Basically, " TFG" is That F*ckin' Guy who we all generically rant against for bringing / doing something cheesy / sneaky / cheaty / unfair / unsporting. HtH...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/06 00:33:21
Subject: Local RTT REQUIRES 3 color minimum....
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Vladsimpaler wrote:why would the WC allow someone like this into their group?
To be fair, they had no choice.
Deadshane is a co-Founder...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/06 00:33:49
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Fixture of Dakka
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JohnHwangDD wrote:
If you don't believe that there's more drama among wargamers, then you're not fully-tied into the wargaming "community". It's all high-school drama about favorites and group politics. The difference is that, most wargamers weren't sufficiently well-socialized in high school, so it's catching up 10+ years later than it should. 
Maybe you're right. I game with other adults. I also hang out with other bikers. The sort of stuff I see people posting here would get your ass kicked if you said it around my social group. But I guess you're all safe behind your computer screens, tossing out insults and condescending remarks at people you've never met.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/06 00:37:47
Subject: Local RTT REQUIRES 3 color minimum....
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Nigel Stillman
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Redbeard wrote:...tossing out insults and condescending remarks at people you've never met.
But wait, isn't that the whole point of the internet in the first place?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/06 00:38:26
Subject: Local RTT REQUIRES 3 color minimum....
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Redbeard wrote:I game with other adults.
I also hang out with other bikers.
The sort of stuff I see people posting here would get your ass kicked if you said it around my social group. But I guess you're all safe behind your computer screens, tossing out insults and condescending remarks at people you've never met.
So do the rest of us. The thing is, you conflate physical maturity among gamers with social / emotional maturity...
What do you ride?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/06 00:44:22
Subject: Local RTT REQUIRES 3 color minimum....
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[DCM]
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Here in Australia it has gon ethe other way.
Fully painted armies used to be mandatory but now if you don't have the army painted your painting scores are crippled and you have almost no chance of winning. And numbers are up.
I was halfwaythrough painting my lizardmen in Feb last year, and came 6th, if it had been fully painted I'd have come 2nd.
No problems with not getting the place, and as I thought I had no chance of winning i relaxed alot more but things just went my way (I suspect because I wasn't so intense).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/06 00:47:45
Subject: Local RTT REQUIRES 3 color minimum....
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Tzeentch Veteran Marine with Psychic Potential
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JohnHwangDD wrote:Redbeard wrote:Adding high school drama and gossiping about what other friends are doing is fit for a knitting circle, not wargamers.
If you don't believe that there's more drama among wargamers, then you're not fully-tied into the wargaming "community". It's all high-school drama about favorites and group politics. The difference is that, most wargamers weren't sufficiently well-socialized in high school, so it's catching up 10+ years later than it should. 
QFT John. At my old gaming club there was more bitching than a sack full of bitches. Its part of the reason I left the hobby for so long, there was just too much unfriendliness & poor sportsmanship.
btw, can anyone tell me what the wrecking crew is? Im a bit late to the discussion & Ive never heard of them. excuse my naivéty.
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"I just scoop up the whole unit in my hands and dump them in a pile roughly 6" forward. I don't even care."
- Lord_Blackfang on moving large units
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/06 00:54:28
Subject: Local RTT REQUIRES 3 color minimum....
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Fixture of Dakka
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JohnHwangDD wrote:
What do you ride?
Not to go too far off topic, but I'm on my third bike and went with a bagger this time, a 2006 Ultra Classic. My wife and I go touring every couple of summers.
Here's a pic of the bike from our last trip
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/06 00:55:29
Subject: Local RTT REQUIRES 3 color minimum....
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Major
far away from Battle Creek, Michigan
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somecallmeJack wrote:
btw, can anyone tell me what the wrecking crew is? Im a bit late to the discussion & Ive never heard of them. excuse my naivéty.
Th3y are leet haxor!!!!11!!!!!
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PROSECUTOR: By now, there have been 34 casualties.
Elena Ceausescu says: Look, and that they are calling genocide.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/06 00:57:14
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Redbeard wrote:JohnHwangDD wrote:
What do you ride?
Not to go too far off topic, but I'm on my third bike and went with a bagger this time, a 2006 Ultra Classic. My wife and I go touring every couple of summers.
Here's a pic of the bike from our last trip
Nice.
And the bike, too.
BTW, why can't you be non-conformist and take a picture of a V-twin from the other side?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/06 01:11:13
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Renegade Inquisitor with a Bound Daemon
Tied and gagged in the back of your car
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Orkeosaurus wrote:Fafnir wrote:I'm a bit of a germaphobe, so having to touch that metal with nothing covering it is a bit... unsettling.
Is metal infectious or something?
No, but the release agent that GW puts on them is.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/06 01:22:44
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Da Head Honcho Boss Grot
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Ah.
I was not aware of that.
Is it like an auger or something? That results in bacterial growth?
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Anuvver fing - when they do sumfing, they try to make it look like somfink else to confuse everybody. When one of them wants to lord it over the uvvers, 'e says "I'm very speshul so'z you gotta worship me", or "I know summink wot you lot don't know, so yer better lissen good". Da funny fing is, arf of 'em believe it and da over arf don't, so 'e 'as to hit 'em all anyway or run fer it. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/06 01:55:25
Subject: Re:Local RTT REQUIRES 3 color minimum....
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Fixture of Dakka
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Tazok wrote:Isn't Deadshane the self-proclaimed founder of the Wrecking Crew?
Marc Parker, winner of 6 GTs, is the founding member.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/06 02:10:40
Subject: Local RTT REQUIRES 3 color minimum....
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Fixture of Dakka
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I have mixed feelings in regards to fielding a painted army. On the one hand I always want to bring a fully painted army when I play in any tournament. I would rather bring a fully painted mid tier army rather than bring a partially painted top tier army. It is one of the best parts of the hobby when you recieve compliments regarding your models after putting a lot of time and effort into converting and painting them. To me this is part of what a tournament is all about. I think to paint Space Marines in general because the armies have a fairly low number model count and you can spend a lot of time embellishing each Marine whether it simply be a tactical Marine with a bolter or some fantastic looking HQ that is heavily converted. Another plus to fielding a fully painted army us that in general you will recieve higher soft scores. I don't like to paint vehicles (excluding dreadnaughts) so I usually commission these. I always let people know what I have painted in my armies because I do not want to take credit for someone else's work.
On the other hand I realize there are gamers who don't enjoy painting or don't have a lot of spare time on their hands. They might still want to play in a tournament though. Shops that enforce a strict painting policy for their tournaments are going to have less people show up to play as well. I think that this is where soft scores can make it a win/win situation for everyone.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/06 02:17:58
Subject: Local RTT REQUIRES 3 color minimum....
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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I suppose if you automatically disqualified any player from prizes if they didn't have all models meeting the 3-color standard, that'd work, too.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/06 02:27:58
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Renegade Inquisitor with a Bound Daemon
Tied and gagged in the back of your car
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Orkeosaurus wrote:Ah.
I was not aware of that.
Is it like an auger or something? That results in bacterial growth?
No, it's just toxic. And with my dry skin, I have a tendancy to have lots of cuts on my hands.
Not to mention, my hands just feel gross after touching them.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/06 02:33:54
Subject: Local RTT REQUIRES 3 color minimum....
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Da Head Honcho Boss Grot
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Fafnir wrote:Orkeosaurus wrote:Ah.
I was not aware of that.
Is it like an auger or something? That results in bacterial growth?
No, it's just toxic. And with my dry skin, I have a tendancy to have lots of cuts on my hands.
Not to mention, my hands just feel gross after touching them.
Ah, cool.
I'm probably not going to worry too much then, it can't be much worse than all the other stuff I use in Warhammer.
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Anuvver fing - when they do sumfing, they try to make it look like somfink else to confuse everybody. When one of them wants to lord it over the uvvers, 'e says "I'm very speshul so'z you gotta worship me", or "I know summink wot you lot don't know, so yer better lissen good". Da funny fing is, arf of 'em believe it and da over arf don't, so 'e 'as to hit 'em all anyway or run fer it. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/06 02:39:03
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Nurgle Predator Driver with an Infestation
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Ummm....did you by any chance think that Deadshane MIGHT be just having a little nerd rage and sarcasm back at the local shop??? It's like a silent protest - he still wants to play - and the three dots will allow it - even though with painting scores in the mix - he can't win anything.
If you are going to a tourney that requires painting - and you do the minimum, just go to have fun and play the game - you can't expect to win. If you go in knowing it ahead of time - you can decide to play - or not. It's Shane's choice.
So much noise towards the WC - so sad. Can't beat them on the table - so bash them on the boards! Real cool!
I've got an idea....maybe try and get a game in with a member of the WC and see for yourself? Most folks I've played haven't seemed to have any issue with me - during or after the game....and I've been to a few GT's over the years. As it stands now - it seems like that a few folks are just going to call all WC members @ss-hats - whether they know them or not. If they win that much - they must cheat - no way they can actually be GOOD at the game or anything.
sigh.....
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'Lo, there do I see my father. 'Lo, there do I see...My mother, and my sisters, and my brothers. 'Lo, there do I see...The line of my people...Back to the beginning. 'Lo, they do call to me. They bid me take my place among them. Iin the halls of Valhalla... Where the brave... May live... ...forever.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/06 02:41:06
Subject: Local RTT REQUIRES 3 color minimum....
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Renegade Inquisitor with a Bound Daemon
Tied and gagged in the back of your car
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Orkeosaurus wrote:Fafnir wrote:Orkeosaurus wrote:Ah.
I was not aware of that.
Is it like an auger or something? That results in bacterial growth?
No, it's just toxic. And with my dry skin, I have a tendancy to have lots of cuts on my hands.
Not to mention, my hands just feel gross after touching them.
Ah, cool.
I'm probably not going to worry too much then, it can't be much worse than all the other stuff I use in Warhammer. 
Well, that's probably true on my end, but the thing is, the slimy feeling that the metal leaves on your hands just keeps itself in the front of my mind, and the idea of the release agent really just gets stuck in there. I just hate having any feeling on my hands other then perfectly clean, and the release agent makes me feel... dirty...
Anyway, that's why you should always wash your metals before priming them. The release agent not only is uggy and gross, but it also makes it so that paint has a much harder time adhering to the model. I've heard of some cases where the paint reacted with the release agent, and actually caused the model to dissolve. Although, that's probably a very rare case, washing metal models helps to make the paint job last longer.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/06 02:46:44
Subject: Local RTT REQUIRES 3 color minimum....
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Major
far away from Battle Creek, Michigan
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I can't follow directions!!! Look at me! I just want attention!
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PROSECUTOR: By now, there have been 34 casualties.
Elena Ceausescu says: Look, and that they are calling genocide.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/06 02:51:09
Subject: Local RTT REQUIRES 3 color minimum....
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Frazzled wrote:
I'm sure thats the idea.
And people wonder why I'm a huge fan of giving FLAGS the big middle finger nowadays when the cry of "support your FLAGS" is always whined.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/06 02:56:42
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Nurgle Predator Driver with an Infestation
Tennessee
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olympia wrote:
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Hey....fine.....all demon players can deploy on the board whenever they play a WC member. Does that make you happy.
But wouldn't it kinda suck if you did that....and lost......
I have no idea what the #@#@@ a L337 guild is......
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'Lo, there do I see my father. 'Lo, there do I see...My mother, and my sisters, and my brothers. 'Lo, there do I see...The line of my people...Back to the beginning. 'Lo, they do call to me. They bid me take my place among them. Iin the halls of Valhalla... Where the brave... May live... ...forever.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/06 03:04:22
Subject: Local RTT REQUIRES 3 color minimum....
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Bunker wrote:
With an attitude like that, I doubt you'd have many friends to begin with.
*shrug*
Plenty actually. We started our own paying rent club after the last fiasco with a FLAG jerking our chain, and now beholden to no one.
I'm not a fan of FLAGS anymore.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/06 03:07:29
Subject: Re:Local RTT REQUIRES 3 color minimum....
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Slipstream wrote:1) You spend all that money on miniatures and yet you
don't paint them.....why?
2) You spend all that money on miniatures and yet you
decide only to put 3 dots of paint on them...why?
3) Are you sure you're happy to spend all that money
and yet not get the full benefit from completed
miniatures?
4)Are you only interested in winning at all cost?Dare
I say it a powergamer?
5)If you are at all interested in the spirit of the
hobby you really should paint your figures.Trust me,
you'll get more respect.
6)Unpainted miniatures....why?
BEcause, and what many dont understand, not everyone is interested in the whole hobby.
Some people love the whole hobby.
Some love to paint, and do so. and probably dont play that often.
Some people love to model extensively.
And some people? Just like to play. Painting is a chore.
Its amazing that one is suppose to respect one part of the hobby, yet folks give others a hard time on others.
SHould I give you a hard time becuase you like to paint?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/06 03:08:41
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Al, you're an asshat! lol
Lova ya, Big guy!
GBF, I'm right there with ya. That's what I do, I paint. I paint about 4x more than I play (and I play almost every week). Of course msot of the time I'm going for "Best Painted" instead of the whole Shebang.
Yeah, lotsa Nerd-rage flying in here. Cool it guys, the guy doesn't wanna paint to play locally. No biggy, he just won't play locally looks like.
Funny, all this hate flying around and Shane is nowhere to be found. LOL
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/06 03:15:17
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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carmachu wrote:BEcause, and what many dont understand, not everyone is interested in the whole hobby.
Some people love the whole hobby.
Some love to paint, and do so. and probably dont play that often.
Some people love to model extensively.
And some people? Just like to play. Painting is a chore.
Its amazing that one is suppose to respect one part of the hobby, yet folks give others a hard time on others.
SHould I give you a hard time becuase you like to paint?
I dunno. Should I give you a hard time because you like to game?
The way I see it, fielding a fully-painted army is about showing a little respect to your opponent.
After all, if you like to game, they're respecting the gaming part that you like, so why can't you show a bit of painting respect to your opponent?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/06 03:24:05
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JohnHwangDD wrote:
I dunno. Should I give you a hard time because you like to game?
The way I see it, fielding a fully-painted army is about showing a little respect to your opponent.
After all, if you like to game, they're respecting the gaming part that you like, so why can't you show a bit of painting respect to your opponent?
Yet when will you and others respect the parts that people like to play?
I see a verbal vomiting about how we should, as a sign of respect paint to respect opponnets. What will you do to show respect to folks that want to play?
My respect is proper play, and not acting like an asshat at the table. Be courteous and such.
Further, I'll take it, as a sign of respect, you NEVER play with unpainted models? Ever? Even testing?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/06 03:35:04
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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@carmachu: WTF are you on about? How am I disrespecting the parts that others like to play?
As for what I play, I bring a fully-painted (and based) army to *every* RTT or other event that I've played.
Indeed, I can field my choice of *several* fully-painted Tournament-sized armies if I so choose. When I gamed a lot, I ran a 4-army rotation when I played FLGS pickup games, purely for variety's sake.
But outside of Tournaments, if we agree on playing with unpainted minis, that's between us.
Because keep in mind, we're talking about painted minis within the context of a RTT with a painting requirement. Not "testing".
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