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Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Not having a pop at yourself Gen. Lee, but the whole 'being Gay is a choice' thing holds very little water.

After all, claiming that means being Heterosexual is also a choice.

Yeah. That is why I put in the "feel pulled toward" bit. I left it as part choice, part desire.

Part genetics.

@dogma:

Why does the species need to exist?

What is the nature of meaning?
Why would the species require a reason to exist, beyond existing? Is it not humanity who creates reasons and meanings and applies them upon reality to suit his will?
There are an infinity of species that do not exist; perhaps they have good "reasons" in doing so ....

The assertion that a certain trait is detrimental to the existence of the species carries the given that the continued existence of said species is the desired result.
You can argue over why this desire exists, but you are ignoring the main thrust of my point.

Read a little Nietzsche have we?

What?

What happens when the competition threatens the existence of the species?

The species with the bigger dick wins.
Or you means species-suicide?
Like the Cold War? Competition didn't stop for nukes. There was still a winner ...
If a method of competition leads to self-destruction, how is this of utility? You might not think it, but there is such a thing as common sense.

Why would I do that? You don't appear to be a bigot. Just philosophically unimaginative.

You don't appear to be an idiot; just politically indoctrinated.
Who is imaginative?
He who can think for himself, or he who regurgitates populism?
Look at this thread. You have homosexuals and confused teenagers slapping eachother on the back complacently; or some apathetic, apologetic people saying that they might not, if they were pressed, entirely like the idea of the OP. You then have mcfly who won't participate because he doesn't want the rabble dragging this thread into a clusterf*ck witch-hunt with him as the victim.
It's all too much one-way.
Think of me as the heretic who pisses all over the good yeomans bible. I want to bring some balance to this discussion.
Instead of you all telling eachother how great it is that you're tolerant and accepting of difference, that you don't discriminate and don't have an opinion that annoys eachother (Heavens forbid!), why don't you for once come out with the fact that hatred, inequality, intolerance and all the other things that have been slandered for so long are natural, healthy and deserve to be encouraged?
That to esteem and disesteem are both sides of the same coin? That to blind yourself to see only white and not black robs white of any meaning?

Am I getting f*cking through to anyone here?

You can love! You can hate!
There is not an authority to tell you there are things that can only be loved or hated.

I - despise homosexuals. And am proud to do so.

Now call me more names ...

@Ahtman: Did you draw that yourself darling? Well done.

I ask again. When did you last successfully breed?

Your entire stand point is that sex between two men or two women does nothing to further the species.

True enough.

So one can reasonably assume you NEVER have sex for pleasure, and every single act of penetrative sex you have experienced has produced a child, yes?

And just to add a final garnish......

Obvious Troll Is Obvious.

Am I getting f*cking through to anyone here?

Not really.

I think you kind of lost everyone where you pretty much accused everyone who disagres with you as a braindead moron/equivalant.

you are ignoring the main thrust of my point.

No, you didn't actualy make one. There's a difference.

Is disesteem even a word ?

If this is all you have to be proud of your life must be very empty. You should get out more, meet some nice girls.


Or boys, we really won't care.

Grotsnik, I didn't respond to you because there is nothing to respond to.

My personal activities have no relevance.

After all, claiming that means being Heterosexual is also a choice.

Explain your reasoning behind this fallacy.
Why is the default sexual inclination of the human animal a choice?

Sex is done to breed. Lust is like hunger; it stimulates procreation.

Would you think I was wise if I had a sudden craving for arsenic? Or even something which did not poison me, but gave me no nourishment and served no purpose to ingest?

My position is simple; a maladaptive sexual drive which encourages actions contrary to the purpose of the sexual drive itself is pointless and unneeded.

I think you kind of lost everyone where you pretty much accused everyone who disagres with you as a braindead moron/equivalant.

And I am special in this regard?

Have you read any of this sub-forum?

apaosha wrote:

Would you think I was wise if I had a sudden craving for arsenic?

No.

Socrates used hemlock you fool.

REFERENCE FAIL!

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:I ask again. When did you last successfully breed?

Obvious Troll Is Obvious.

May I answer this question?
I had a son 4 years ago.
However, I engage in activities that may result in offspring. Not all couplings result in offspring. However, that act is the same wiether offspring are produced or not. To say that an act that "misuses" the organs provided for reproduction are as valid as the act that uses those organs in the natural fashion may be your opinion. I disagree. You are free to use your Wiley however you see fit. That does not make it equal to the designed use.

apaosha: Despising homosexuals seems pretty dramatic to me.
Why, exactly? Because homosexuality is maladaptive? Do you despise anyone with a maladaptive genetic trait?
I hate some people, but usually for a reason.

Gen. Lee Losing wrote:

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:I ask again. When did you last successfully breed?

Obvious Troll Is Obvious.

May I answer this question?
I had a son 4 years ago.
However, I engage in activities that may result in offspring. Not all couplings result in offspring. However, that act is the same wiether offspring are produced or not. To say that an act that "misuses" the organs provided for reproduction are as valid as the act that uses those organs in the natural fashion may be your opinion. I disagree. You are free to use your Wiley however you see fit. That does not make it equal to the designed use.

We're ranking uses for penises now? So tell me this: Is spanking before or after bumsex in the heirarchy? Where does shagging a bicycle come in? What about using your penis to mark your place in a crime novel? Is this more or less useful/close to the "designed" purpose (larf!) than using it to mark your place in a romance novel? what if it's a gay romance novel?

Explain your reasoning behind this fallacy.
Why is the default sexual inclination of the human animal a choice?

Sex is done to breed. Lust is like hunger; it stimulates procreation.

Would you think I was wise if I had a sudden craving for arsenic? Or even something which did not poison me, but gave me no nourishment and served no purpose to ingest?

My position is simple; a maladaptive sexual drive which encourages actions contrary to the purpose of the sexual drive itself is pointless and unneeded.

Given the species lack of need to reproduce at the moment I think you may be a bit confused. The natural order of the human body is set to maintain stasis within its natural environment. We do no live in a natural environment and applying evolutionary genetic theory to macro sociology is not only stupid, its non sensical. This planet is overpopulated and its resources are straining to the point of collapse. Given the inherent predisposition seen in the wild of overpopulated species tending towards homosexuality how can you be so sure that it's a genetic maladaption?

My position is simple; a maladaptive sexual drive which encourages actions contrary to the purpose of the sexual drive itself is pointless and unneeded.

As is a sexual drive in the undereducated, physically unfit, and diseased. To be frank its unneeded in a fairly large percentage of the planetary population given our lack of environmental homeostasis. An increase in the population is the last thing we need.


You're projecting your hate outwards with bunk idiotic false science and a considerable amount of philosophical tripe.

Try harder.

What I wanna know is, Where is Golden Eyed Scout. He cause a huge online battle.

Da Boss wrote:

We're ranking uses for penises now? So tell me this: Is spanking before or after bumsex in the heirarchy? Where does shagging a bicycle come in? What about using your penis to mark your place in a crime novel? Is this more or less useful/close to the "designed" purpose (larf!) than using it to mark your place in a romance novel? what if it's a gay romance novel?

I will leave the "ranking" system to the degenerates.
For me, there is the correct and incorrect use. You can come up with 1000 incorrect uses for a saw. There is one correct use. Why bother to rank the 1000?

apaosha wrote:Grotsnik, I didn't respond to you because there is nothing to respond to.

My personal activities have no relevance.

After all, claiming that means being Heterosexual is also a choice.

Explain your reasoning behind this fallacy.
Why is the default sexual inclination of the human animal a choice?

Sex is done to breed. Lust is like hunger; it stimulates procreation.

Would you think I was wise if I had a sudden craving for arsenic? Or even something which did not poison me, but gave me no nourishment and served no purpose to ingest?

My position is simple; a maladaptive sexual drive which encourages actions contrary to the purpose of the sexual drive itself is pointless and unneeded.

I think you'll find my point does need to be addressed. You claim homosexual activity is wrong because it does not lead to procreation. Thus your attitude would seem to be sex is purely for procreation, and to enjoy it for it's own sake, using say contraception to AVOID conception, is equally wrong. So I ask, have you successfully passed along your DNA to a new generation? If not, then surely you are even more fail than a homosexual, seeing as your DNA clearly isn't potent enough to continue itself.

Have you ever craved or eaten Celery? Good fact this. Celery takes more energy to consume and digest than you get from it. Yet it is a tasty treat. Is Celery maladaptive as well?

Back under your bridge troll. I think I hear the Goats coming.

ShumaGorath wrote:

Given the species lack of need to reproduce at the moment I think you may be a bit confused. The natural order of the human body is set to maintain stasis within its natural environment. We do no live in a natural environment and applying evolutionary genetic theory to macro sociology is not only stupid, its non sensical. This planet is overpopulated and its resources are straining to the point of collapse. Given the inherent predisposition seen in the wild of overpopulated species tending towards homosexuality how can you be so sure that it's a genetic maladaption?

That is why India is so heavy in it's gay population, right? Or Seoul Korea (crammed there!)? And in industrial age London? And that 3-8% gay population is the mechanism by which humanity is 'population controlled'? Seems a bit weak to steer all of humanity.

TO be fair though....do you have statisitics to hand about the homosexual population of the places you mentioned?

Modquisition
Wo I go off to a bank meeting discussion the merits of plants that make CO2 (try that for environmental logic) and come back to a reported thread and some interesting statements.

Gents going to have to shut this thread down for flaming and trolling. I will leave it at that else I would have to post multiple warnings/suspensions.
Modquisition off: