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Hell yeah! Good for you, man!

So I was just thinking... stormtroopers come in a 5 man squad and you can add extra guys to that. Does this mean that if/when they do make those new plasticy ones, they'll be sold in a box of 5? for how much? 25? 30 now that prices are going up? Would 5 guys be able to do much in your average game or would ya really need a full squad for the extra shots and stuff?

I think ST are the same now as allway, a deep striking melta gun delivery system. 5 Man squads are perfect for this. Unfortunately, Veterans are a cheaper, more survivable and more versatile option for the same thing. For the same price you get 5 more wounds, and an extra meltagun.

The only advantage ST have is the ability to DS on thier own, its up to you if thats worth it.

Personally its not enough of an advantage to choose them over Mech or Air Cav Vets or a Psycic Chior

Air cav vets all the way. I can't believe stormies can't have meltabombs, so lame.

Necros wrote:So I was just thinking... stormtroopers come in a 5 man squad and you can add extra guys to that. Does this mean that if/when they do make those new plasticy ones, they'll be sold in a box of 5?

I doubt it. Space Marines start as 5-man squads that you buy up to 10 as well, and they're sold as 10-man boxes. I would expect the same from the Stormtroopers.

Also, I don't know about anyone else, but I'm not using the plastic Stormtroopers as anything other than Veterans/Grenadiers. Maybe Stormtroopers in Apocalypse...

So in these vet air cav lists people keep talking about.. is it just troops & valks/vendettas? I'd imagine tanks would get blown to bitz on the first turn if everything is deep striking. I haven't done the math but how many units w/ a valk could you fit in 1500? seems like it might be a kinda pricey list... in points and cash...

I dont know about 1500, I wont play games under 1750 and most everywhere around me including the major tourneys all run 1850 ( Yeah Hah, small games suck!!!)

But in 1850 you can easilly fit 9 valks, 6 vets, 2 CCS and a Psychic Chior. It can be a devastating list but its fragile in more than one way. Still its the closest thing to Mechdar any Imperial player is ever likley to get.

I am building one, but not for competitive play. For Tourneys, its Mech Guard all the way!

I usually play 2000 pt lists so I'm sure I could still fit it in. I just have a lot of tanks I like to play with too and I think if I did all air cav it might be tough to get used to. Not only that but 8 valks would be pretty expensive I could start a whole new army for that...

So, if you have 2 CCS's, could you add an astropath to each unit and get +2 to your reserves?

Necros wrote:I usually play 2000 pt lists so I'm sure I could still fit it in. I just have a lot of tanks I like to play with too and I think if I did all air cav it might be tough to get used to.

So, if you have 2 CCS's, could you add an astropath to each unit and get +2 to your reserves?

There is still a lot of debate on that but there is nothing in the rules that say you cant. I would expect an FAQ ruling at some point, but for now the answer seems to be yes. It makes All reserves air cav very reliable. And at 2k you could afford to throw in a deep strking melta stormie squad as well.

Very different game from the slow moving armor that usually works in 40k. One thing few have mentioned is how an air cav list can mess up a deamon players day just by covering so much of the table with giant footprint flyer bases. It should not be too difficult to herd the deamon player into a killzone just by denying open ground.

Its all just theory hammer at this point though, and with the expense of Air Cav I dont know how many people will be willing to sink that much money into a less than optimum list.

I would sink the money, if it was fun to play but... $522 for 9 valks... could start a whole new army for that...

I would probably start small, my list now is gonna be 2 small platoons and 2 units of vets, so I will probably start with 2 vendettas and see how it goes from there.

They have to stay in a squadron though, so it's not like you'll have them flying all over the place, and all 3 are gonna have to shoot the same target, that might be a pain if you're facing a lot of smaller untis

Augh! How you people tempt me with this new IG stuff....We dont get it in Canada till May 2nd. Boy are you guys lucky!

True, once you get up to that many just managing to find open space for a squadron of them will be a pain.

I think thats what we need to see is just how difficult its going to be using squadrons of models that insanely large.

My mech army is running 3, 2 Vendi/1 Gunship to start. Going to have to figure a way to magnetize the weapons so I can swap them out. Models are way too expensive to buy multiples just for weapon loadouts.

Necros wrote:$522 for 9 valks... could start a whole new army for that...

C'mon Necros. You're not new to this. Why are you paying retail when there are other alternatives?

$400 flat from Melstrom for the same 9 Valks. That's nearly 25% off. And they'd ship all 9 boxes to you for $0.

Does Maelstrom pay you HBMC? They should given how much you plug them.

I am so tempted to do the 9 valk/vendetta army. it would only cost me about $300, since I work at my FLGS.

*sigh*

Ozymandias wrote:Does Maelstrom pay you HBMC? They should given how much you plug them.

I'm surprised this question hasn't come up earlier... No, they don't. And I'm not a 'plant' either. I'm just tired of people talking about high prices when there are great alternatives out there, especially ones that have constant year-round discounts and free shipping. For someone like me, far on the other side of the planet to most of you, where are dollar has shrunk to nearly half its value in a year, discounts and especially free shipping are a big deal. And with the current $-to-£ ratios for you Yanks, it's another good reason to stimulate the British economy.

^^ They do have rules affecting shooting and lasguns but that (cover saves) is not it.

Hey HBMC, when can we expect your giant uber IG Codex review?

With Squad Sgts not having lasguns and having to move loader models onto my heavy weapon team bases, I have a lot of work to do to get my current IG (see gallery images) up to 5th ed spec, and I'd like to hear different players' takes on the new Codex. That and I have to make some Slayer Penal legion guys, but thats for way down the road.

Matt Varnish wrote:Hey HBMC, when can we expect your giant uber IG Codex review?

Whenever the book arrives. I've got it on pre-order from the aforementioned Maelstrom Games UK (30% discount thanks to their sale... got AUD$1300 worth of stuff for AUD$900!) so when it arrives, and whenever my alter-ego, Commissar Calgar, gets back from his fishing trip, then I'll be doing another Cover-2-Cover review.

I mean, most of us already have the 'rules' section - and I did my stream of consciousness overview of that in the last Guard thread - but if I'm going to review the whole book, I want to review the whole book - fluff and colour section as well. Hell, might even tack on a review of all the new Guard kits since I've ordered everything bar the Ratlings. But don't worry, it's coming.

I use Gifts for Geeks, £231 for 9 Valks, a damn steal if you ask me.

What's the shipping on 9 Valk boxes? What's the overseas shipping on 9 Valk boxes?

When are you getting the codex H.B.M.C? It looks like a race to a review, because I also have it on pre-order from the FLGS. Shoulda ordered from overseas to save some money now that I think about it.

Whenever it shows up in the mail. I'm expecting about 8 boxes of stuff to arrive in the next week or so, and with any luck they'll send stuff out so it arrives on the release date, rather than shipping it on the release date. That said, Maelstrom usually gets stuff to me in less than two weeks, so it won't be that long.

And anyone else can write a review if they like - I certainly don't claim ownership of that idea - but it's still not going to stop me from doing my own, even if I suspect the usual suspects will derail the thread by making all their usual comments.

And when you think about it, Dakka's biggest 'gain' from my last review, the 'Chaos' Codex review, was the sudden appearance of JohnHwangDD. What will crawl from the woodwork this time?

And yes I use the word 'gain' extremely loosely.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Necros wrote:$522 for 9 valks... could start a whole new army for that...

C'mon Necros. You're not new to this. Why are you paying retail when there are other alternatives?

$400 flat from Melstrom for the same 9 Valks. That's nearly 25% off. And they'd ship all 9 boxes to you for $0.

I know, just sayin..

H.B.M.C. wrote:Whenever it shows up in the mail. I'm expecting about 8 boxes of stuff to arrive in the next week or so, and with any luck they'll send stuff out so it arrives on the release date, rather than shipping it on the release date. That said, Maelstrom usually gets stuff to me in less than two weeks, so it won't be that long.

And anyone else can write a review if they like - I certainly don't claim ownership of that idea - but it's still not going to stop me from doing my own, even if I suspect the usual suspects will derail the thread by making all their usual comments.

And when you think about it, Dakka's biggest 'gain' from my last review, the 'Chaos' Codex review, was the sudden appearance of JohnHwangDD. What will crawl from the woodwork this time?

And yes I use the word 'gain' extremely loosely.

Heh, the only thread I can remember more fighting in than your Chaos Dex review was the one on the Space Marine Redux rumors. I promise I'll behave myself more in your Guard review... Well, I promise to try to behave more...

Bad news it appears to be a UK/Europe only thing, but £25 shipping 1st class on 9 boxes, so that's all good.

You know man, I'm starting to think you don't like John that much.

Ozymandias wrote:Heh, the only thread I can remember more fighting in than your Chaos Dex review was the one on the Space Marine Redux rumors. I promise I'll behave myself more in your Guard review... Well, I promise to try to behave more...

Easiest way to not derail a thread is to read what I write and not just assume what I'm saying. The biggest problem with the 'Chaos' Codex thread was that you got about half a dozen to a dozen people saying inane things like:

"You're just complaining that it's not powerful any more! Go back and cry to your cheesy Iron Warriors."

And the reason that kept coming up is because people just assumed that a negative review of the 'Chaos' Codex was done in such a manner because the Codex was somehow less powerful than the previous (real) Chaos Codex. Of course, that's a load of bull$hit. My criticisms of the 'Chaos' Codex were more to do with the bland-i-fi-cation of Chaos as a 40K race, the bad choices throughout the book, and just how flavourless and dull it was (and the less said about 'Generic Daemons', the better). None of those three items impacted the 'power' of the Codex in any way - I maintained, and still do, as proven by lots of tourment results, that the 'Chaos' Codex can be a very powerful Codex - but all these people just assumed I was whining about a loss of power and didn't bother to read.

So that's the lesson to learn here - Reading comprehension is a good thing, and when you assume you make and ass out of -u- and me... but mostly -u-.

Cheese Elemental: Don't like? Dude I'm working my way up to loath. Easily the most detrimental member of Dakka since Drew Riggo... *see's Yak entering thread* ... but that's enough of that.

EDIT: Damn word-filter turning -u's- into you's. Have to go and add --'s to everything.

Dexy wrote:Bad news it appears to be a UK/Europe only thing, but £25 shipping 1st class on 9 boxes, so that's all good.

Thanks for the info.

So £256 if you're in the UK/Europe. So that's a saving of £16 for anyone over there compared to Maelstrom. For the rest of us, those of us that have oceans between us and Ol' Blighty, shipping's a tad bit more. In fact, shipping 9 such boxes might be a tad more than £41. It's worth looking into.

but all these people just assumed I was whining about a loss of power and didn't bother to read.

Just don't complain about the format in the guard review. I think its time to move on, the book format sucks, but its what it is. No point in docking a few points from every codex for the same flaw. Just give them a real rating and ignore the flaw (grade on a curve).