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Apologies if I'm opening a can of worms by continuing, or by asking questions that should be obvious, though I havn't been able to turn the answer up to them yet.

Have we had any confirmation or corroboration on the rumor that Guardsmen squads would, in some form or shape, be able to shoot through each other without giving the enemy a cover save (Believe it was called "Platoon Drill")? Has this rumor been discounted?

Further, RUMINT (Rumors Intelligence) indicates that the Hellhound and its variants will cost more than 100 points. What's the skinny on this? 300 or more points for a squadron of 3 AV12 armored vehicles seems a bit much, considering RUMINT and leaks indicate that a Leman Russ MBT with Battle Cannon and 3 Heavy Bolters will range around 170 points...

Also, has it been confirmed whether Sergeants in an Guard infantry squad can switch out their laspistol and CCW for a lasgun?

1) There is no Platoon Drill. Nor anything like the rumored Platoon Drill.

2) The Hellhound and its variants are 130 pts each. And you're correct on your numbers for the LRBT.

slight correction for DBM

On of the hound variants wich shoots melta blast templates is 120pts

GhostRecon wrote:Also, has it been confirmed whether Sergeants in an Guard infantry squad can switch out their laspistol and CCW for a lasgun?

It has been confirmed that they can't. There's been quite a bit of complaining about that.

This is fine.

Death By Monkeys wrote:1) There is no Platoon Drill. Nor anything like the rumored Platoon Drill.

2) The Hellhound and its variants are 130 pts each. And you're correct on your numbers for the LRBT.

Raxmei wrote:

GhostRecon wrote:Also, has it been confirmed whether Sergeants in an Guard infantry squad can switch out their laspistol and CCW for a lasgun?

It has been confirmed that they can't. There's been quite a bit of complaining about that.

Ah, alright. Thanks for clearing that up! Based on what we have, it seem as if the Codex is shaping up to be a good one, albeit with a series of contentious flaws or odd rules choices. Still, seems like a very good time to start up a Guard army...

Today I looked into the copy the local GW store has, and I was quite dissapointed when I noticed that Veteran squads can't get the pistol and CC weapon combi anymore. They have Lasguns and CC weapons and can get Shotguns instead.
Why bother giving them CC weapons if they don't have the option to get a pistol. It doesn't make any sense.

So, I'm probably not going to use the FW enforcers for them.

Oh, and another question! x.x

Vox-Casters - Do they let orders be cast without having to be in the range radius? Or do you still need to be in an Officer's range radius?

Still need to be in range.

We should totally put these kinda questions in a sticky or something.

GhostRecon wrote:Oh, and another question! x.x

Vox-Casters - Do they let orders be cast without having to be in the range radius? Or do you still need to be in an Officer's range radius?

You still have to be in range.

Vox-Casters give you a re-roll.

Think of the Vox-Caster as a large tape-recorder. If you mishear the order, you can play it back again to better understand. It doesn't transmit or receive anything though.

Anung Un Rama wrote:Why bother giving them CC weapons if they don't have the option to get a pistol. It doesn't make any sense.

I think this lends more credence to the idea that there is a very apathetic work ethic amongst the game design staff. If someone can notice a problem like this on their first viewing, why didn’t they during the several hours of playtesting they did?

They’re not stupid. They’re not malicious. They just don’t care.

AlfredTheStrange wrote:slight correction for DBM

On of the hound variants wich shoots melta blast templates is 120pts

Actually they range slightly in points. Devil dog is like 120 I think. Too busy to open my "copy" and look.

Yep, DD 120, others 130.

My bad. 'S what I get for not looking it up.

I think it's quite a good buy for that. Melta sponson makes it a bit much, but three of them barebones is 360 with 3 melta canons moving 12" and annihilating what they look at.

Kind of a fast version of the plasmatank.




Not that it matters when the flyingpredatorchimera is 10 more points. Hopefully a couple of IG players will have the heart not to use it.

I like the Cerberus*. Of the Nerfhound variants its the one that sticks out as a viable unit. Plus I like the idea of the Melta-Cannon. It just sounds cool.

*I refuse to call it by its real name because its real name is stupid.

H.B.M.C. wrote:I like the Cerberus*. Of the Nerfhound variants its the one that sticks out as a viable unit. Plus I like the idea of the Melta-Cannon. It just sounds cool.

*I refuse to call it by its real name because its real name is stupid.

Mmmmmm.....Devil Dogs

H.B.M.C. wrote:I like the Cerberus*. Of the Nerfhound variants its the one that sticks out as a viable unit. Plus I like the idea of the Melta-Cannon. It just sounds cool.

*I refuse to call it by its real name because its real name is stupid.

Wouldn't the cerberus have three guns or something?

Give a pintle weapon to it, and bingo. Three guns. Wasn't hard, was it? Cerberus is really just another way of saying Hellhound, and both sound better than 'Devil-fething-Dog'.

Oh, Rangerrob, it's good to see that the Devil is so concerned about the fat content of his food. Even the Master of Hell has to watch his pants-size.

Yebbut, for just a few more points, you can field another Leman Russ...

Bane wolf is pretty slowed too.

JohnHwangDD wrote:Yebbut, for just a few more points, you can field another Leman Russ...

Different functions. The basic russ is bad antivehicle and anti termy and is slooooooooooooooow. No bueno for rocketing up and taking out opposing vehicles and contesting back field objectives.

Exactly. You might be able to get a Demolisher into range to smack a vehicle with an S10 marker... but you don't need to. Cerberus does a better job at that (and the Vendetta probably does a better job than it in most cases, but we'll ignore that for the time being).

Russes kill infantry. It's what they've always done and will continue to do.

And no one will take a Vanquisher.

@Shuma:

Huh?

Even a Demolisher is faster at taking out tanks - 6" move + 24" shot = 30" range.

Hellhound w/ Multimelta is 12" move + half 24" range = 24" range.

And your "rocketing" is only 6" more maximum move (18" vs 12").

The other nice bonus is that you can give them Multi Meltas as a hull replacement for 15 points each so the Devil dog with a hull multi melta is 135, only 5pts more than the standard (new) hellhound. Pretty lethal, but to me the BS 3 kills it compared to the much more effective ( and 5 point cheaper ) Vendetta due to the twin linking.

Still I would not want to see one, or god forbid, a squadron of them on the other side of the table.

I think I know the reason for sargeants not being able to have Lasguns.

The new wound allocation rules. With vet sarges being compulsory (and therefore LD8), they probably wanted to make it visually clear that it's a different model for wound allocation. (Perhaps Jervis' son got confused playing vanilla marines with a sargeant with a bolter. We'll never know..)

It actually annoys me les than the "no pistols for vets" thing, I was excited about being able to field Necromunda gangs as Vets (as my only troops) and resurect my PDF militia. Bit of a kick in the teeth. I'm not cutting up my Necro models (since I still use them for Necro).

They're penal troops now!

Yes, arrested for not following the arbitrary new laws regarding weapons and who can have them.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Exactly. You might be able to get a Demolisher into range to smack a vehicle with an S10 marker... but you don't need to. Cerberus does a better job at that (and the Vendetta probably does a better job than it in most cases, but we'll ignore that for the time being).

Russes kill infantry. It's what they've always done and will continue to do.

And no one will take a Vanquisher.

hmm strange I will I've tested him already with pask in it and its pretty effective

And Target Number One for any opponent who has an IQ higher than Alessio's. Pask makes tanks too expensive to be worth taking. A fully kitted out Executioner with Pask clocks in at 300 points. That's a few points shy of your base level Superheavies. And it's no Land Raider, and no Macharius.

I wouldn't take pask. His only true benefit is not giving up a KP, unlike Chronus.