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H.B.M.C. wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:They wasted the only chance they were going to have to revamp one of the worst model lines in the game (Leman russ) for another decade.

A lot of people, myself included, like the look of the Russ. Some people don't mind that it is an unrealistc take on a WWI tank and, in fact, think that that adds to the tanks charm.

Do the tracks make sense? No.
Does the turret make sense? Not really.
Is the tank's design impractical if not dangerous? Yeah, it's pretty bad.

Do we care? No.

and when you openent looks across the table and sees nine of them, will he still wet himself a little? yes
it is still one of my fave models

JohnHwangDD wrote:It looks practically identical, to the point that GW might as well not have bothered.

Had they designed less LR variants in the new codex, there would have been no need for a new three-in-one kit for either the Hellhound and the Demolisher. Instead, we could have gotten Russ/Demolisher and Chimera/Hellhound boxes. Without the half-assed new variants to drum up interest and soak development zots, they would have had ample opportunity to redesign the kits. As such, this latest fiasco can directly be attributed to Robin Cruddace's abortion of a codex.

I don't want seven crappy tank variants. I want one model that looks good. Nothing more. I'd even settle for one statline.

If they hadn't put so many new variants in the codex, you would be lucky to see a plastic turret for the demolisher. GUARENTEED they wouldn't waste their resources on a kit that isn't even getting a new unit type. They could be making Psyker Battle Squads, or Rough riders, or Storm Troopers instead.

No, GW could have done a modern 5-in-1 Russ / Conqueror / Demolisher / Executioner / Exterminator, along with a 3-in-1 Hellhound / Salamander / Salamander Scout which would have satisfied *everybody*.

No, not everybody.

And a Conqueror?

Of *course*, a Conqueror. How hard is it to shorten the Russ barrel?

Certainly wouldn't have made me happy. I'd rather have some of the new variants.

And who wants a salamander? Maybe that DKoK mini-transport.

Good WWII design to steal from
http://www.tamiyausa.com/product/item.php?product-id=35300

and
http://www.tamiyausa.com/product/item.php?product-id=35290

and (THIS ONE SCREAMS LEMAN RUSS)
http://www.tamiyausa.com/product/item.php?product-id=35287

*John*, *stop* *it*.


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Scottywan82 wrote:Certainly wouldn't have made me happy. I'd rather have some of the new variants.

And who wants a salamander? Maybe that DKoK mini-transport.

You mean the Centaur. It's a wonderful little tractor but a little useless in regular Guard armies I think, seeing as it can only carry five men.

Hmmm, maybe as a command vehicle.

Scottywan82 wrote:If they hadn't put so many new variants in the codex, you would be lucky to see a plastic turret for the demolisher. GUARENTEED they wouldn't waste their resources on a kit that isn't even getting a new unit type. They could be making Psyker Battle Squads, or Rough riders, or Storm Troopers instead.

See, that would be awesome compared to what we're getting. The IG book is a colossal letdown on all counts.

If you say so. I enjoy what I've seen. Not that I'm going to buy every kit, but certainly the demolisher one.

EDIT: @ BrookM - yeah, it isn't really a full transport, but neither is the salamander. At least the Centaur looks cool.

The Bren Universal Carrier knock-off? Very cute, but not exactly something I'd expect in a Codex.

Certainly a superior model to the Salamander.

Thankfully they released put sweet new LRBT variants in instead though. Can't wait until August. Hopefully the low armor LRBTs will be released too.

No reason they couldn’t have converted this hunk of junk


Into a small version of this very Gothicy masterpiece

Every weapon cluster, every main sponson could have transferred.

And remember:

BrookM wrote:I'm going to wait and see how the Punisher cannon and plasma blast cannon look on that turret before throwing a complete bitch fit.

Good point, and me too!

Though I must admit, I'm locked and loaded, and ready to go!

I think a lot of you guys are being too hard on GW. Yes, GW could have done an extensive redesign, but that would mean the next wave after this one would likely never happen. This minimal redesign is obviously a means of saving budget to cover the storm troopers and rough riders, as well as all the artillery that are suppose to be in the next wave. When you look at the quantity of sprues going into the Imperial Guard its certainly more than the space marines got. To the people who want such an extensive redesign, build your own from scratch or convert it. Thats as much a part of the hobby as buying something off the shelf and slapping it together.

aka_mythos wrote: To the people who want such an extensive redesign, build your own from scratch or convert it. Thats as much a part of the hobby as buying something off the shelf and slapping it together.

Say again, I couldn't hear you over the sound of the battle cannon

Yes Fraz, we get it, you don't like the Russ.

Move on.

aka_mythos wrote:Yes, GW could have done an extensive redesign, but that would mean the next wave after this one would likely never happen. This minimal redesign is obviously a means of saving budget to cover the storm troopers and rough riders,

To the people who want such an extensive redesign, build your own from scratch or convert it.

Given that the new Storms are unfieldable at 16+ pts/model average, and the Rough Riders became crappier with the weapon options reduction, I think that a brand new Russ would have been a more than even trade. That is, I would have gladly traded the opportunity to buy unfieldable Storms for the opportunity to have a new Russ kit.

If you've seen my [WWW] gallery, it's pretty clear that I have the ability to do scratchbuild a Russ, given time. Unfortunately, with the new Superheavies and such, time is a luxury I am lacking.

Well not everyone would. I have seen your tank pron. Its good stuff.

I think we should all just be optimistic and start looking forward to the next codex, when GW updates the other half of all these tanks.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Yes Fraz, we get it, you don't like the Russ.

Move on.

Haha, HMBC telling someone to move on.

Who's HMBC Ozy?

H.B.M.C. wrote:Who's HMBC Ozy?

Half-mother of Barneus Calgar.

The only real problem I have the the Russ as it is is that the turret looks completely cartoony bonkers. The cannon is so disproportionately huge it's practically some sort of chibi no-way bizarro land Japan tank. I half expect to see a tank commander with huge eyes and a tiny mouth to pop out of the turret and flash the peace sign before that massive super buster graviton wave battlecannon turns him to paste with it's ludicrous recoil.

For a cannon that big, it looks like there is no room to maneuver the shells into the breech inside that turret anyway.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Who's HMBC Ozy?

It's you, move on.

He's being mean to me mummy!

*cries*

Glad to see I still have no reason to buy a Russ.

Railguns wrote:The only real problem I have the the Russ as it is is that the turret looks completely cartoony bonkers. The cannon is so disproportionately huge it's practically some sort of chibi no-way bizarro land Japan tank. I half expect to see a tank commander with huge eyes and a tiny mouth to pop out of the turret and flash the peace sign before that massive super buster graviton wave battlecannon turns him to paste with it's ludicrous recoil.

For a cannon that big, it looks like there is no room to maneuver the shells into the breech inside that turret anyway.

Ummm have you looked at a space marine? Or even a guardsmen they are anatomically disproportional to the same degree as the tanks. If you expect anything less you should probably find another game. The identity of 40k, is partially a cartoony proportion. This has been a complaint of other non-GW wargamers for years. It's like going to a death metal rock concert and complaining you were deafened. It is the nature of the beast, anything less and the game loses to some degree of its identity. Now if you believe that to be good or bad is your choice.

Thats not the point. There is rediculous, which is great. But, then there is stupid. The Leman Russ barrel is stupid. It should be slightly longer and thinner. As it is the weapon is completely out of scale with other S8 type weapons. It's large enough to reasonably act as a demolisher cannon.

People complain about people complaining about scale discrepencies, but this is an easy one. You don't even have to re-do any other parts of the decade old kit, just resculpt the barrel and widen the turret.

Railguns wrote:Thats not the point. There is rediculous, which is great. But, then there is stupid. The Leman Russ barrel is stupid.

There are opinions. Everyone can have them, which is great. But, then there's stating opinion as fact. The above quote is someone stating opinion as fact.

Which is stupid.

Railguns wrote:It should be slightly longer and thinner. As it is the weapon is completely out of scale with other S8 type weapons. It's large enough to reasonably act as a demolisher cannon.

Who's to say that the barrel isn't for show (or armour!) and that the actual width of the barrel is much thinner than it appears from the outside?

Railguns wrote:Thats not the point. There is rediculous, which is great. But, then there is stupid. The Leman Russ barrel is stupid. It should be slightly longer and thinner.

Only if it was built in 2009.

There were technological advances in the period before the stagnation in fluff. Many of those advances could easily have caused battlecannon design to be re-thought in conjunction with making it able to penetrate power armour.

It's silly to complain that tanks 40,000 years in the future don't reflect current technological limitations.