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Hardly. I have subjected the film to valid criticism. I mentioned bits which were a bit tedious, and overall stated the cool outweighed the lame.

Whereas those determined to rubbish it, made no mention of the cool bits, and instead focussed entirely upon the negative, all through the rose tinted lense of childhood.

Ahtman wrote:

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Ah the wonders of the internet, where the arrogant and ignorant can force their opinions on the rest of humanity, and call those who disagree cretins.

This is you on the left are on the left MDG.

Oh, SNAP!

Ahtman wrote:Maybe some day you'll see the irony of calling people who choose not to accept things that are completely dumbed down cretins. Telling people they are being stupid for being smart is, well I think you can figure out the problem there (but not really but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt).

This will end well, I'm sure.

In the mean time...

This film is by far one of the most entertaing one I have ever seen. In my opinion its the film that have been the best so far this year. Don`t agree with me well thats your rigth a human beeing unless you are a decpticon that is

Saw it with Genghis Connie, Zantar master of the pit, and She Who Must Be Obeyed. Now understand I was under the mix of potent rum and blood loss from losing a fight with a chainsaw, but my thoughts mixed in with these points:

I went to see the film with my 5 year old stepson yesterday. Quite enjoyed it, however:

1. Does anyone else feel that the robots are SO detailed and SO intricate that when two or more of them are on screen fighting it just looks like big, messy eye-torture? It's very hard to define where one robot starts and another finishes, so I pretty much just gave up until one robot was hurled away- Ah yes, ok the blue one won that fight, etc.
***Yes. I was able to key in on the first Optimus super slam (epic) and Bumblebee’s last engagement (they turned a yellow VW into quite the killing machine didn’t they) but the rest was pretty blurry. I find the regular TV screen captures the action better actually.


2. Is there any need for shots of Megan Fox (?) bent over at every opportunity? Ok, she's fit (yawn) I get the idea. Next.
****Yes indeed. In Fact the Boy and I thought more filming of her talents was needed

3. Why is the fallen worried about Prime yet decides to arrive when Prime is repaired? Don't get it, or maybe missed something.
***I don’t get that plot hole as well. Fallen takes out a whole pack of primes but is worried about one now?

4. The whole "fallen" idea is stupid. Should have been Unicron
***You cannot defeat my…Destiny!!!

5. Megatron was so much more badass in the cartoons in every respect.
***He was pretty tough I both. I like that this film puts Optimus and him back on equal footing. Prime was always a real stomper in the toons.

6. Comic relief characters make me want to BBQ somebody.
***They were annoying as well, except when they met up with devastator. This film seemed much moiré angry then the original with less humor and the main characters much more angry.

7. The whole drug-cookie sequence is irrelevant.
***Several scenes. The rave/party, the ship going down, the annoying government suit (anyone notice the Obama slam?)

8. The frat-party sequence, I don't believe for a second that fraternities like that exist anywhere except film-land. If they do exist, then someone needs to be killed and eaten.
***True that.

9. Is it just me, or where the robots far more powerful in the 1st film? Tanks and machine guns in the final sequences seemed to making a real mess of the 'bots.

In fact I've just decided that the film sucked and Michael Bay is exactly as depicted on South Park- "That's not a plot, that's special effects." "I don't know the difference." "I know you don't." (paraphrased)
***Yes it was pretty disjointed. It could have been made better, and needed more humor. We also needed to see Ironhide kicking some major butt. On the other hand its summer popcorn faire, and succeeded in that regard. I liked sound wave epically. Jetfire, was like talking to a bud at the range.
“Soundwave superior, Devstator inferior.”
Genghis Connie gave it two thumbs up (and then decided to conquer Persia).


OT but Zantar was recognized by his first fan
High school chick comes up to us at Sonic, and sees the school uniforms we have in the car. “Hey are you the Jr. High-High school kid who wrote the song at the school concert?”
“YES HE WAS!” yours truly volunteers
“You are so COOL”
Zantar, shocked, almost stops eating his burger.
Yea baby!

Frazzled wrote:***I don’t get that plot hole as well. Fallen takes out a whole pack of primes but is worried about one now?

There was a prophecy (there are a lot of prophecies in action movies these days, aren't there?) that the fallen would be killed by a Prime, or the ancestor of a Prime (how do have ancestors if you don't have robot babies?). As all the other Primes were dead (killing themselves to make a really useless tomb) so I guess it had to be Optimus.

I don't really know if the Fallen decided to arrive just when Optimus was resurrected, or if he was already on his way and happened to turn up when Optimus got better. It was all a bit of a blur by that stage.

the annoying government suit (anyone notice the Obama slam?)

It wasn't subtle.

So the big bad guy was a wussy afraid of Optimus? I don't get how Mega"the strong survive!"Tron would follow such a wussy.

Was that Cybertron he was at?

I guess so.
And wasn't Fallen bound to where he was until Optimus died?

And this is by far the best reivew yet
http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/thatguywiththeglasses/nostalgia-critic/8875-tf2

sebster wrote:

Frazzled wrote:***I don’t get that plot hole as well. Fallen takes out a whole pack of primes but is worried about one now?

There was a prophecy (there are a lot of prophecies in action movies these days, aren't there?) that the fallen would be killed by a Prime, or the ancestor of a Prime (how do have ancestors if you don't have robot babies?). As all the other Primes were dead (killing themselves to make a really useless tomb) so I guess it had to be Optimus.

If I remember rightly, in the flashback cutscene you see all the Primes ganging up on the Fallen and kicking the snot out of him (hence he looks a bit knackered at the beginning of the film when Megatron is talking to him and he's in the middle of all those cables). However the Primes couldn't completely defeat him (despite loving the film I admit to having no idea why since they seemed to be doing a good job in the flashback), which is why they decided to steal the matrix and sacrifice themselves to hide it. Therefore the Fallen is scared of Primes as they are the only transformers that defeated him (in a way).

Also has no one remembered that Megatron is also a Prime? Just as the Fallen is a Prime (remember they were his brothers) so is Megatron. At the end of the first film Optimus leans over Megatron's corpse and says something along the lines of "forgive me brother" (I'm sure someone will post the exact line after reading this). The film back history is that Megatron was the first of the Decepticons who was corrupted by the Fallen.

Besides, I reckon the fallen isn't really dead since he was voiced by Tony Todd. I reckon Megatron will just go back to his bathroom and say Fallen, Fallen, Fallen and he'll appear (albeit with a hook instead of his right hand ).

Oh and I forgot to mention, Mr Bay has been on record to say that he always intended one making a trilogy at least and he definately wants to bring in Unicron if he can make it work in the film. Although Mr Bay also once said that Megatron was not in the second film and we saw what happened there.

And incase anyone was wondering, yes I am a Transformers fanboy.


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sebster wrote:(how do have ancestors if you don't have robot babies?).

I work in the engineering industry where you can get machine components referred to as male or female nipples. No lie.

Makes you wonder if robots could make babies .

Try working in the Building Trade. Male and Female Nipples, Male to Female connectors, Gender Benders.

I fnarr'd my way out of that job!

you know, according to the transformers comics in such, from what i looked up on wikipedia after watching the movie, the fallen was suppose to be one of the original 13 or so transformers, but went all crazy evil and became the herald or somesuch of unicron........which would have been much cooler to see in the movie.

also, once he busted out the telekinesis, the relationship between him and megatron got a little to jedi for me

greenskin lynn wrote:also, once he busted out the telekinesis, the relationship between him and megatron got a little to jedi for me

It took you that long? I thought the scene on Cybertron had "rule of two" written all over it.

It had plot holes you could pilot Unicron through. It had annoying cliche characters (the Twins are Jar Jar-esque). It had Megan Fox trying (and failing) to act. It had far too many characters that got no development like Jolt and Sideswipe. Some of the old ones got even less, like Ratchet, who essentially had a cameo in this film. Devastator went out like a bitch and got to do nothing other than service an utterly unnecessary testicle joke. Michael Bay has the biggest hardon for the US military and this movie is basically porn for him. And you probably could have cut 1/2 an hour and it still would have worked.

But it had Optimus Prime tearing gak up, including that epic fight in the forest where he just runs through three Decepticons by himself. My friend started calling him Kratos Prime after that. And then super-Prime at the end when he did an Armada-style merge with Jetfire and shredded the Fallen after beating Megatron within an inch of his life. The film was worth it for Prime alone.

I liked it.

Anung Un Rama wrote:

greenskin lynn wrote:also, once he busted out the telekinesis, the relationship between him and megatron got a little to jedi for me

It took you that long? I thought the scene on Cybertron had "rule of two" written all over it.

nah, i just managed to ignore the fact until that point

although, now that i think about it, i sorta want a transformers lightsaber fight, i mean, it can't be any harder to follow then some of the big melee's in the movie

Frazzled: Agreed about Soundwave, a good little appearence there by the old guy.

Was just thinking, if Michael Bay really wanted us to love it, he should have simply applied the following opening tune...Still gives me goosebumps...

Why has no Power Metal band ever covered that?

This was a better review:

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/escape-to-the-movies/797-Transformers-Revenge

Anung Un Rama wrote:

greenskin lynn wrote:also, once he busted out the telekinesis, the relationship between him and megatron got a little to jedi for me

It took you that long? I thought the scene on Cybertron had "rule of two" written all over it.

Rule of Two?


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H.B.M.C. wrote:It had plot holes you could pilot Unicron through. It had annoying cliche characters (the Twins are Jar Jar-esque). It had Megan Fox trying (and failing) to act. It had far too many characters that got no development like Jolt and Sideswipe. Some of the old ones got even less, like Ratchet, who essentially had a cameo in this film. Devastator went out like a bitch and got to do nothing other than service an utterly unnecessary testicle joke. Michael Bay has the biggest hardon for the US military and this movie is basically porn for him. And you probably could have cut 1/2 an hour and it still would have worked.

But it had Optimus Prime tearing gak up, including that epic fight in the forest where he just runs through three Decepticons by himself. My friend started calling him Kratos Prime after that. And then super-Prime at the end when he did an Armada-style merge with Jetfire and shredded the Fallen after beating Megatron within an inch of his life. The film was worth it for Prime alone.

I liked it.

Agreed on all points.

Frazzled wrote:

Rule of Two?

The Sith rule of two. One Master and one Apprentice.

Oh ok. Yea I don't really buy that. Megatron is a I'm in charge kind of robot.

Wikipedia had a cool plot thread for ages (think it's still there actually) even though it's wrong.

They had stated that the Fallen was a mega powerful transformer, but was trapped in an alternate dimension. He managed to communicate with the Transformers through an interdimensional window and via this method corrupted Megatron into becoming the first Decepticon. The film was then meant to be about Megatron on a mission to free the Fallen from this prison (anyone thinking of Superman at this point? Ya know with the three baddies trapped in the rotating sqaure thing). The Fallen would then be released at end of the movie, massive battle, beaten, but not destroyed and then escapes into space to go wake up Unicron.
A cool idea that wiki stated was that as the interdimensional window was not a clear window and distorted the image of the Fallen's face. This distorted image is what the Decepticons based their insignia on (which I think is a really cool idea).

Now I know I said I loved the film and I stand by that, flaws and all. However, I do think that Wikipedia plot would have made a better film.

Link?

Saw Transformers in IMAX on Sunday.

Hell yeah...Giant Robot Kung Fu...I loved the action, but the story, dialog, and comic relief were bleah.

I may go see it again just for Optimus Prime's first appearance in the movie.

George Spiggott wrote:Why has no Power Metal band ever covered that?

One did, for the Animated Movie.

EDIT:

And my biggest complaint.....MEGATRON TAKES ORDERS FROM NO ONE.

Seriously, the movie would have been better with Megatron taking the place of "the Fallen" and starscream replacing megatron in the final act of the movie. The fallen is a lousy villain.

Bad Points:
The comic relief robots sucked ass and were very racially insulting.
The 'America! feth YEAH' military was over the top and interfered and detracted from the robots having their fights (what I paid to see, not a circlejerk about how fething powerful the US military is).
The parents with the humping dogs were boring and again stole airtime from where we could have had more transformers and character development for them, dammit not just character development but character introduction. The college 'stoner' scene was so dull my eyes bled.
The college bit was also wasted time, the weird terminatrix decepticon girly with the tongue...WTF?!?
Way too many 'Jonny 5' skinny bugeyed robots with comic voices.
Megatron has a boss?!? Way to detract from the main protagonist, Bay detracts from the villain by providing an even bigger villain and then giving it no depth or substance, it just shows up, seems abit meaner and then prime feths it up.
I was cheering loudly in the car (we saw at drive in) when the gakky comic robot was eaten by devastator but then it just 'survives' and messes up the big D..boo, should have killed the little bastard.
The suit and the swipe at Obama, wasn't missed by me and very unnecessary.
Jetfire. He was my favourite, of all the transformers I owned as a boy, he was the ultimate, the most badass looking robot and whilst I didn't mind too much of his appearance in the movie, him hobbling on a walking stick and producing 'farts' for, yet again, comic relief, was just annoying.

Good Points:
Soundwave. I wasn't sure how they could do him justice and the floating round in space like a spider in a web did indeed serve him well.
Ravage. Loved that, he was well done.
Megan Fox. Looks fething lovely, no complaints there other than ensure she says feth all and dont let her attempt acting again.
Megatron beating up on Starscream, because it's as traditional as Christmas trees.


Conclusion: A gak film, I really didn't like it at all and whilst I can already hear the defense of 'it's for the kids etc' I would suggest alot of why these films exist is down to the kids who originally owned transformers being paying movie going adults and I think these films have failed them to a great extent. The lowest common denominator 'comic relief' throughout was certainly the biggest turd in the trifle for me.

Am I the only one who laughed about the testicle joke?

While the twins were irritating. How come everyone screaming racist stereotype has absolutely no problem with the sadistic robot doctor having a German accent?

I dunno, It was okay. Not as well-written as the first one, and it dragged out a bit. Lots of explosions, though...

Anung Un Rama wrote:Am I the only one who laughed about the testicle joke?

Nope me too. Me and half the cinema burst out laughing. You can't go wrong with a genital joke. I think the comic relief was needed, otherwise it would have been a very dark film until the very end when the Autobots turn the tide. And nothing is as irritating as Jar-Jar

I thought all the comic moments in the film were quite funny actually. I do see where people are coming from with the racist implications in the twins performance, however I don't feel it was meant to be deliberately offensive. I feel any irritating-ness they had was balanced out by the Devestator battle. I thought it was fairly positive that despite the fact they were the smallest of the Autobots, they had the balls and the bravery to take on a massive 45 foot (when hunched over!) death machine. Hell, I was cheering in my head after Mudflap was 'eaten' then fought his way out of Devestator's face! That was class and redeemed them in my eyes.
I do appreciate the fact I am not an african-american so I can not truely understand their point of view, but Tyreese Gibson is a lead character and he's a bad ass, no comic relief there, so it was not as if the film was saying "this is how all black people are". Besides, a lot of the British in American films are portrayed as well spoken, well educated villans. Remember the Death Star in Star Wars V? Everyone on board, British. And don't get me started on The Patriot! If we're not villians we're a cute romantic cluts..... to be honest I'd rather be a villan.

One thing I feel suprised no one has mentioned is the swearing. That is the one thing I found distastefull about the film. Despite it's 12A rating in the UK I found that there was not the need for as much bad language as there was. Loads of kids will be seeing this film, despite the rating, and I really don't think all of it was necessary.

Agreed the language was way OT for the audience, and NOT needed.

Frazzled wrote:Link?

Here ya go. Scroll down to the section which deals with the characters.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transformers:_Revenge_of_the_Fallen

Also attached the paragraph about the fallen here to save time. Doesn't mention the Unicron part, I guess I got that elsewhere.

Tony Todd voices The Fallen, one of the Original Thirteen Transformers and Megatron's master. He is the one who corrupted Megatron into forming the Decepticons. He had been trapped in another dimension and was able to communicate with the Decepticons via an interdimensional window. The image of his face, seen through this window, served as inspiration for the Decepticon insignia.[58] He is capable of opening Space Bridges at will.[59] Lorenzo di Bonaventura compared The Fallen to Judas Iscariot.[60] Although this form is not in the film, his toy versions transform into a Cybertronian aircraft.[61] The writers selected The Fallen after looking through various cartoons and comics for new characters, because he was the most "elemental" villain.[43] At some point, Leonard Nimoy[62][63] and Frank Welker[57] were considered for voicing the Fallen.