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Wel if you look closely you can see a small icon. what is that OMG! ITS A DECEPTICON! RUN!

Sorry couldn't help it.

IF Karol really and truly didn't know beforehand that the model was entered into GD (as he/she claims) then I don't think Karol has done anything wrong (other than perhaps not alerting the GD authorities loudly enough) - if I was a professional painter, why shouldn't I be proud of a GD win by a model I've painted? (and also want to point out that it was MY painting that won, not the owner's) The fact that the current owner had no right to enter the model according to the GD rules is another issue entirely and (hopefully) nothing to do with Karol. I'd hate to see Karol's paiting career suffer IF he/she isn't to blame at all.

Sadly, we may never know the full truth, as only the owner and painter know the full details and probably nothing is provable.

Karol woldn't have done anything wrong regardless. Its not illegal. he/she/it was just selling goods to a buyer.

Frazzled wrote:Karol woldn't have done anything wrong regardless. Its not illegal. he/she/it was just selling goods to a buyer.

Yes thats what i think too , but people claimed that the painter have to know about it based on how fast coolmini site was updated.

But seriously it makes no sense why someone that can SO EASILY win GD will jeopardize their future GD for someone else?
thats why i said there must be more real reasons hmm!

Frazzled wrote:Ok seriously why would the painter give a damn? Its excellent advertising and they are selling works to buyers. They don't care about your steenking tournament just their steenking greenbacks.

Pretty sure he's in Europe somewhere so he cares about the Monopoly money. Monopoly money worth far, far more than our wonderful green money... You know, I think they're onto something with the non-green money now that I think about it. Colors really seem to kick up the value.

I found this

http://demonwinner.free.fr/uk/1994/

look at how crap the models are compared to now

Hrm, Neil also won in '96

Thanks!

So there was a winner (instead of maybe there not being a GD that year or whatever).

Weird that his name is not on the plaque(?) at Warhammer World. DQ doesn't seem likely either since they could have put the runner up's name on it, and he competed again later.

TBD wrote:Thanks!

So there was a winner (instead of maybe there not being a GD that year or whatever).

Weird that his name is not on the plaque(?) at Warhammer World. Maybe he got DQed afterwards?

he picked up something the year before, and heaps in the years after, so I doubt it.

LTgland wrote:

TBD wrote:Thanks!

So there was a winner (instead of maybe there not being a GD that year or whatever).

Weird that his name is not on the plaque(?) at Warhammer World. Maybe he got DQed afterwards?

he picked up something the year before, and heaps in the years after, so I doubt it.

Yeah, I figured that out after I posted.

I'm still intrigued by it

Remember, these are just the Slayer Sword winners.

Interesting how people that took such a holier than thou/Black and white moralistic stance on recasting in another thread are going out of their way to make excuses for an accomplice in fraud in this case...

CT GAMER wrote:Interesting how people that took such a holier than thou/Black and white moralistic stance on recasting in another thread are going out of their way to make excuses for an accomplice in fraud in this case...

No , its natural to want to hear both side of a story first.

CT GAMER wrote:Interesting how people that took such a holier than thou/Black and white moralistic stance on recasting in another thread are going out of their way to make excuses for an accomplice in fraud in this case...

Quite so. Not me, though. I hope they both burn for it.

It would indeed be very nice to hear the full story first before accusing people. Although without a doubt the person who bought and entered them should have penalties. Hes done it before apparently and its a pretty odvious rule to follow... It would still be nice to know the full story though.

I just want to make sure this doesn't become a witch hunt. Though if it does become a witch hunt someone give me a heads up so I can jump into my penitent engine

Frazzled wrote:

Ozymandias wrote:What's the prize for winning an olympic gold? You get a shiny medal. It's still not ok to cheat.

Other than the the millions in endorsements, and the subsidies they get while training right?

EDIT: I should note I'm just being a butt. I understand the annoyance at the submitter (not the painter-this is business and the win is an advertisement, I'd post it too on my website). I'll spring US$1.5 for the "TAR THE CENSORED " tar fund. (wow bast&rd is not autofiltered)

I'm sure the curling team is looking at millions in endorsements.

Ozymandias wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

Ozymandias wrote:What's the prize for winning an olympic gold? You get a shiny medal. It's still not ok to cheat.

Other than the the millions in endorsements, and the subsidies they get while training right?

EDIT: I should note I'm just being a butt. I understand the annoyance at the submitter (not the painter-this is business and the win is an advertisement, I'd post it too on my website). I'll spring US$1.5 for the "TAR THE CENSORED " tar fund. (wow bast&rd is not autofiltered)

I'm sure the curling team is looking at millions in endorsements.

Just beer. Lots of beer...

CT GAMER wrote:Interesting how people that took such a holier than thou/Black and white moralistic stance on recasting in another thread are going out of their way to make excuses for an accomplice in fraud in this case...

Both are guilty, off with their heads.

BrookM wrote:Both are guilty, off with their heads.

I'm all for indiscriminate justice.

Frazzled wrote:(wow bast&rd is not autofiltered)

Because 'bastard' isn't any more a swear word than 'bloody' or 'damn'.

Aya, bastard is a title first and foremost.

Mastiff wrote:

Why can't artists send their work to a GD if they can't make it to the event? Simple; not all GDs are equal. The competition at the Baltimore GD is arguably the fiercest, with a hell of a lot of talented painters wanting to compete in the original US GD. The other GDs aren't far behind, but there was debate about the fairness of competitors sending their work to different GDs (particularly the newest ones) where they could benefit from a "weaker" (ie. less-experienced) competitive field.

The competitive attitude amongst the entrants at the Baltimore GD might be the fiercest, but having seen the winners that come out of Western Europe, particularly France, Spain and Itlay, I'd have to say the fiercest competition skill-wise comes from that area of the world.

It seems like everyone is disgusted with these guys and their shenanigans. Time for some Orky justice. Let's git 'em! WAAAGGGHHH!

Different parts of the world favour different painting techniques.

CT GAMER wrote:
Interesting how people that took such a holier than thou/Black and white moralistic stance on recasting in another thread are going out of their way to make excuses for an accomplice in fraud in this case...

Wow, nice dig.

First, I'll be real clear, right upfront, and say that this is disgraceful behaviour, and both parties should be banned from entering further competitions if these accusations are proved.

However, on the comparison with recasting, one is a competition, and one is illegal activity.

Barry Bonds was a baseball cheat. He gets an asterisk on his records. Pete Rose was a baseball cheat, he got banned from the hall of fame. This is what happens to people who cheat in competitions - they get black marks next to their name. Michael Vick broke the law - he spent time in jail. OJ Simpson broke the law - he's in prison. Plaxico Burress broke the law - he's headed to prison. This is what happens to people who break the law.

It is important to remember the difference between the laws of your country, and the rules of an event you enter. Breaking either is wrong. One is considerably more so.

Khornholio wrote:

Mastiff wrote:

Why can't artists send their work to a GD if they can't make it to the event? Simple; not all GDs are equal. The competition at the Baltimore GD is arguably the fiercest, with a hell of a lot of talented painters wanting to compete in the original US GD. The other GDs aren't far behind, but there was debate about the fairness of competitors sending their work to different GDs (particularly the newest ones) where they could benefit from a "weaker" (ie. less-experienced) competitive field.

The competitive attitude amongst the entrants at the Baltimore GD might be the fiercest, but having seen the winners that come out of Western Europe, particularly France, Spain and Itlay, I'd have to say the fiercest competition skill-wise comes from that area of the world.

It seems like everyone is disgusted with these guys and their shenanigans. Time for some Orky justice. Let's git 'em! WAAAGGGHHH!

Doh!

Thanks for catching that. I should have specified I was talking about the North American GDs. The European GDs are all extremely competitive from what I've seen and heard. IMHO, France is the uber, and the europeans are the trendsetters when it comes to creative pallettes and lighting effects.

Redbeard wrote:

CT GAMER wrote:
Interesting how people that took such a holier than thou/Black and white moralistic stance on recasting in another thread are going out of their way to make excuses for an accomplice in fraud in this case...

Wow, nice dig.

Just pointing out an interesting observation...

Khornholio wrote:

Mastiff wrote:

Why can't artists send their work to a GD if they can't make it to the event? Simple; not all GDs are equal. The competition at the Baltimore GD is arguably the fiercest, with a hell of a lot of talented painters wanting to compete in the original US GD. The other GDs aren't far behind, but there was debate about the fairness of competitors sending their work to different GDs (particularly the newest ones) where they could benefit from a "weaker" (ie. less-experienced) competitive field.

The competitive attitude amongst the entrants at the Baltimore GD might be the fiercest, but having seen the winners that come out of Western Europe, particularly France, Spain and Itlay, I'd have to say the fiercest competition skill-wise comes from that area of the world.

It seems like everyone is disgusted with these guys and their shenanigans. Time for some Orky justice. Let's git 'em! WAAAGGGHHH!

Doh!

Thanks for catching that. I should have specified I was talking about the North American GDs. I've talked to painters who debated which GDs to go to based on who they knew was competing.

And you're right , the European GDs are the most competitive from what I've seen and heard. IMHO, France is the oober, and the europeans are the trendsetters when it comes to creative pallettes and lighting effects. I'd give my left nut to visit any of the euopean GDs.

Hell, take 'em both, it'd be worth it.

To me there is no real grey area here. This was blatant and wrong. Although proving the painters involvement will be hard without a confession she/he apparently knew afterwards and did nothing to rectify the situation. Now the painter is upset As far as the casting thing goes I am very very very much against it and think you should be thrown in jail.....unless you have some casts of combi melta's. I need a few of those so that should not be illegal hehe