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cadian512 wrote:

Fifty wrote:I thought Legion was quite good.

The only terrible Horus Heresy book so far has been Mechanicum, which made me want to blind myself incase I ever read anything as bad again.

legion was great, so was mechanicumum. all of them were, except maybe battle for the abyss

Uh, wow!

I know opinions differ and all that, but MECHANICUM was pretty good, ABYSS was TERRIBLE and the Dark Angel Heresy books tend to be rather bad too...

I think we might find a bit more out about the Blood Ravens as the Heresy books near completion, but until then...?

I think GW is having trouble reconciling the Video Game Fluff with their 'official' stuff, is all...

I enjoyed the Dark Angels books.

Legion was an unintelligble convoluted mess. Much like the Alpha Legion itself.

John Grammaticus......if the Emperor looks down on his own son Magnus using warp powers how on earth is he supposed to let a being like Grammaticus live???

Corennus wrote:I enjoyed the Dark Angels books.

Legion was an unintelligble convoluted mess. Much like the Alpha Legion itself.

John Grammaticus......if the Emperor looks down on his own son Magnus using warp powers how on earth is he supposed to let a being like Grammaticus live???

he was going to kill him but never got the chance because he died and got kidnapped by the cabal who brought him back to life, simple

Corennus wrote:if the Emperor looks down on his own son Magnus using warp powers

How d you gather that? He didn't want the Council of Nikea(according to A Thousand Sons) and was creating the Golden Throne FOR Magnus. Yeah, totally looked down upon him.

The reason he sent Russ was because Magnus disobeyed him and accidentally destroyed Earth's Warp defense system.

Platuan4th wrote:

Corennus wrote:if the Emperor looks down on his own son Magnus using warp powers

How d you gather that? He didn't want the Council of Nikea(according to A Thousand Sons) and was creating the Golden Throne FOR Magnus. Yeah, totally looked down upon him.

The reason he sent Russ was because Magnus disobeyed him and accidentally destroyed Earth's Warp defense system.

He lost all credibility when he started bad mouthing LEGION...

I know the Emperor didn't want the Council of Nikea (and I have to agree with the Lord of Change who shows Magnus a future with him being the Emperor's slave entombed in the Golden Throne while the Emperor enjoys the Imperium).

But also (unless the warp was veiling the emperor's sight) I don't think the Emperor would have allowed such a powerful psyker free rein.

And sometime I will get round to re-reading Legion. Maybe it will make sense to me second time round. But first impression of it was not good for me.

Especially since (yes i KNOW this is a computer game and computer game characters are 2D constructs) the Alpha Legion portrayed in the DoW universe is totally given over to Chaos.

i suppose ten thousand years of hanging around with deamons and warp-spawn is going to have a slight effect on your personality

The only way I can reconcile the "still loyal" bit with the depraved look of the Alpha Legion in the 41st Millenium is that with their main Primarch dead (Alpharius) Omegon takes over the Legion and leads it fully to Chaos.

Yes I stated that belief earlier in this thread.

I love Legion, it's my favourite book so far. Possibly because Alpha Legion is my favourite, I love the subtlety and plans within plans and focus of the legion. The ambiguity of why they joined Horus is nice too. I can see why many turned to chaos proper though; their supposed plan to help defeat chaos blew up in their face and they are left with no support and no turning back.

Granted, keeping track of which marine is pretending to be which primach at any one time can be a bit confusing. With John I got the impression that the Emperor wanted to find and possibly have trained the more potent psykers he came across for the same reasons the Black Ships do know: because while a trained psyker under Imperial authority and supervision is very helpful, an untrained psyker running about on their own is deadly. Get a reputation for killing any you find and finding them becomes a lot harder.

I recall the old codex for BA said Mephiston's powers were all reflections of Sanguinius', and the only one of those replicating physical traits is the wings. Sanguinius was also known for prophetic visions that actually worked out true without blowing up in his face... I always got the impression he was a passive psyker while Magnus was an active one. Magnus was a storm that could strike out as he chose, Sanguinius had more quiet ones running constantly in the background.

Corax was a lower grade psyker, he could mask himself from notice (ala jedi mind trick, not active 'you did not see me' but simply not being noticed unless he did something obvious. It helped him survive the Dropsite Massacre. *source the Raven Guard audio book

Strange then that the official fluff doesn't say each Primarch had psyker powers.

There is nothng that says Sanguinius was a psyker in any of the backgrounds I have read.

That is NOT to say that the Primarch's geneseed couldn't unlock psychic potential in his legion. but Sanguinius had none of the powers that the Emperor or Magnus wielded.

While it may not be outright stated in the current fluff, many Primarchs had psychic (or psychic-like) abilitities.

Sanguinius, for example, had the ability to see the future.

As far as DoW and the depiction of the Alpha Legion?

1) It IS DoW, so really, who knows?
2) The dual nature of the Alpha Legion as well as the passage of 10,000 years since the Heresy means that some Alpha Legion could have gone over fully to Chaos. Hell, even some Ultramarines have gone renegade!

I believe up until 2nd edition, I am pretty sure that the fluff expressly said all primarchs were massively powerful psykers... Kinda only makes sense as they are supposed to be children of the most powerful psyker who ever lived.

Instead, now some of them only inherited an awesome jaw-line apparently lol

want to know what would be cool.....

if BA and Tsons (when they were red) got like in a battle in a planet and they were abandond and after years of fighting they just kind of stopped andthe librarians like were doing there warp crap and they bolth got so much attention that tzeentch himself looked and "gifted upon them" and sence they were bolth so talented in change that he combined them into one living body. As the chapter grew from the remnents of the army joined they decided to go to loyalist.

Now i have no clue what the H*** i am talking about..


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Alpharius wrote:

cadian512 wrote:

Fifty wrote:I thought Legion was quite good.

The only terrible Horus Heresy book so far has been Mechanicum, which made me want to blind myself incase I ever read anything as bad again.

legion was great, so was mechanicumum. all of them were, except maybe battle for the abyss

Uh, wow!

I know opinions differ and all that, but MECHANICUM was pretty good, ABYSS was TERRIBLE and the Dark Angel Heresy books tend to be rather bad too...

I think we might find a bit more out about the Blood Ravens as the Heresy books near completion, but until then...?

I think GW is having trouble reconciling the Video Game Fluff with their 'official' stuff, is all...

um ya mechanicumum was good
the only bad one was
"decent of angels" that one sucked big time.....
Battle for the abyss.... Umm i got half way through then burned it... it was not bad but i got bored with that one

I don't know if this was stated earlier, I do have the sneaking suspicion that it was though. After reading Legion, couldn't the blood angels be a secret successor chapter to the Alpha Legion, after all... I think it was Alpharius that said it, they value knowledge above all.

and sorry for reopening this thread, i just really wanted to add this.

unbeliever87 wrote:Honestly, they're like a chapter created out of a bad fanfic.

We're talking about Blood Ravens, not Ultramarines.


Personally, I say that they're descended from 1k Sons for the various reasons stated in this thread... and because it strangely appeals to me. The Blood Ravens are loyal to the core. Proof that, perhaps, the 1k Sons could have been saved had Magnus acted a little differently, or if the Emperor had not reacted so poorly to him screwing everything up on Terra.


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Captain Solon wrote:thats just confusing.

who would put a libby in charge!? he could fall to chaos!

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*cough*
Play the expansion...

this thread is over 2 months old.

check the dates before posting please.


alerting Modquisition

Corennus wrote:Strange then that the official fluff doesn't say each Primarch had psyker powers.

There is nothng that says Sanguinius was a psyker in any of the backgrounds I have read.

That is NOT to say that the Primarch's geneseed couldn't unlock psychic potential in his legion. but Sanguinius had none of the powers that the Emperor or Magnus wielded.

Sanguinius could see the future i'd call that psychic.

Melissia wrote:Honestly, they're like a chapter created out of a bad fanfic. We're talking about Blood Ravens, not Ultramarines.


Personally, I say that they're descended from 1k Sons for the various reasons stated in this thread... and because it strangely appeals to me. The Blood Ravens are loyal to the core. Proof that, perhaps, the 1k Sons could have been saved had Magnus acted a little differently, or if the Emperor had not reacted so poorly to him screwing everything up on Terra.

Games Workshop has certainly dropped endless hints that they are.

There's some inconsistency when it comes to the book A Thousand Sons though.

The Thousand Sons were always beyond salvation because Tzeentch tampered with their geneseed when it was created. The flesh change was destroying them until Magnus made his first pact with Tzeentch for his aid in temporarily stopping the flesh change. When he made his second pact with Tzeentch during the razing of Prospero it just made it de jure as well as de facto. Tzeentch planned out everything aeons in advance and had a planet waiting for them.

Yet the Blood Ravens are mysteriously unaffected by the flaw in Magnus' geneseed...

Perhaps their gene-seed was purified somehow, then?

Back to the depths with ye...