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**LunaHound**

Orkeosaurus wrote:Luna, you can't hurt someone by hitting them in made up body parts.

They arnt made up parts orkeo

**Orkeosaurus**

"Ulnar nerve"? "Ililac crest"?

You're like my friend, telling me he had to get his "appendix" removed. Yeah buddy, I guess you're half book. Better get your Table of Contents checked too!

**LunaHound**

Orkeosaurus wrote:"Ulnar nerve"? "Ililac crest"?

You're like my friend, telling me he had to get his "appendix" removed. Yeah buddy, I guess you're half book. Better get your Table of Contents checked too!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulnar_nerve

http://sportsmedicine.about.com/cs/hip_groin/a/hip3.htm

Say what Orkeo?

**Orkeosaurus**

That looks shopped.

**ShumaGorath**

Thats the beauty of wanting to really hurt someone , suddenly all the inhibited nono places we shouldnt hit are all available.
Want to block the center? thats fine lol enjoy getting kicked in the Ulnar nerve in your elbow.
Blocking too high? enjoy having a heel kick down your ililac crest.

Your ability to target nerves in my elbow when i'm putting my arms up to block a shot at my chest in realtime dynamically in a kick that (if it's any danger at all) is taking well less than a half a second is astounding. Even more amazing is the rapid shift downward, striking something that is well over a foot away from your initial target (this would force you to change the location of your hips and upper leg if you actually wanted force behind the blow).

It's fun to name places where it hurts to get hit, but if you're just going to hit someone from behind why not just use a weapon anyway? There should certainly be a significant number of them around.

**LunaHound**

Your ability to target nerves in my elbow when i'm putting my arms up to block a shot at my chest in realtime dynamically in a kick that (if it's any danger at all) is taking well less than a half a second is astounding.

2 things shuma.
1st , Just like humans are able to block a strike which takes place in less then a second , so can the person striking especially if they know you are going to block.
2nd , A nerve can be targeted when its exposed in certain angle and positions.

Even more amazing is the rapid shift downward, striking something that is well over a foot away from your initial target (this would force you to change the location of your hips and upper leg if you actually wanted force behind the blow).

Again 2 things.
1st , thank you <3 , i wouldnt call it amazing , but it does have more finesse compared to say , wild flailing of arms you see in Hockey games. Which see to be the epitome of fighting for some *giggles*
2nd , you know been a girl have its advantage in fights sometimes. When ever i place a strike in low spots , do you guys ALWAYS assume im trying to kick your balls? seems like it.
So yes , there is movement , there are shifting in angles , but it helps when you guys shift to the sides to avoid been hit in the balls ( though thats not where i was aiming at lol... )

It's fun to name places where it hurts to get hit, but if you're just going to hit someone from behind why not just use a weapon anyway? There should certainly be a significant number of them around.

Ah , not quite Shuma. In wushu they arnt just simple areas where it hurts. They are most of the time pressure points and nerve gatherings.
In other words , been hit in those areas pain is just the icing on the cake. The main purpose is they connect to other parts of the body. Getting his on those spots , have fun limping away or pick up a pencil in school.
Using a weapon.... im sorry shuma , i get goose bumps just from paper cut. I cant imagine causing harm on others with a weapon.
Not to mention , its not very satisfying o_o

**ShumaGorath**

2 things shuma.
1st , Just like humans are able to block a strike which takes place in less then a second , so can the person striking especially if they know you are going to block.
2nd , A nerve can be targeted when its exposed in certain angle and positions.

It's much easier to block than it is to redirect a waistline or above kick. They telegraph considerably.

Again 2 things.
1st , thank you <3 , i wouldnt call it amazing , but it does have more finesse compared to say , wild flailing of arms you see in Hockey games. Which see to be the epitome of fighting for some *giggles*
2nd , you know been a girl have its advantage in fights sometimes. When ever i place a strike in low spots , do you guys ALWAYS assume im trying to kick your balls? seems like it.
So yes , there is movement , there are shifting in angles , but it helps when you guys shift to the sides to avoid been hit in the balls ( though thats not where i was aiming at lol... )

You get in fights often?

Ah , not quite Shuma. In wushu they arnt just simple areas where it hurts. They are most of the time pressure points and nerve gatherings.

Yes. They are called that in karate too. Same with judo. In fact, they are called those things because they are areas that are preferential for striking. Areas that hurt is a fairly apt explanation.

In other words , been hit in those areas pain is just the icing on the cake. The main purpose is they connect to other parts of the body. Getting his on those spots , have fun limping away or pick up a pencil in school.

I was using "hurt" as more of a colloquial term that implies physical damage. Getting hit in the back of the neck does quite a lot more than just "hurt". But yes, you're not just trying to cause physical pain (though realistically most areas of extreme physical discomfort are also soft organs or cartilage), which are extremely effective to strike).

**LunaHound**

Sigh these double quotes are hard to quote...

It's much easier to block than it is to redirect a waistline or above kick. They telegraph considerably.

Thats depending on the person shuma , everyone have what they excel at. I dont believe in blocking.
I only ever "block" though thats not even blocking , its redirecting the force and limbs for locks.

You get in fights often?

Sparring with equipments , so real force used. I have beat up my cousin's friend that kept making fun of me same way orkeo did.

Yes. They are called that in karate too. Same with judo. In fact, they are called those things because they are areas that are preferential for striking. Areas that hurt is a fairly apt explanation.

I dont know much about throws other then the basic hip / hand throw / sweep . They are pretty heavy and often i fall along myself when they are around 90 degree to me. Then i get squashed.
*Edit oops , that went semi off topic since i deleted my sentences. I dont think the points we strike in wushu have same purpose as judo and karate.
Our purpose for hitting those points are actually disabling the other parts of the body because it hurts their nerves. Very often the victim's limb either goes numb or they twitch uncontrollably.
I havnt seen that in judo or karate.

I was using "hurt" as more of a colloquial term that implies physical damage. Getting hit in the back of the neck does quite a lot more than just "hurt". But yes, you're just just trying to cause physical pain (though realistically most areas of extreme physical discomfort are also soft organs or cartilage), which are extremely effective to strike).

I cant imagine harming organs or areas for heavy physical damage that is irreversible. I dont like the idea of getting sued.
Muscle tissue and sinew and tendon are more effective for me. For example , when it comes to arm locks , i prefer to follow it with a knee into their glenohumeral joint. Do it lightly they'll have trouble using that arm for a week. Do it hard they get send to hospital.

**ShumaGorath**

Sparring with equipments , so real force used. I have beat up my cousin's friend that kept making fun of me same way orkeo did.

So not much real street experience?

I cant imagine harming organs or areas for heavy physical damage that is irreversible. I dont like the idea of getting sued.
Muscle tissue and sinew and tendon are more effective for me. For example , when it comes to arm locks , i prefer to follow it with a knee into their glenohumeral joint. Do it lightly they'll have trouble using that arm for a week. Do it hard they get send to hospital.

Organ damage is rarely irreversible (as long as you don't kill them doing it), as opposed to joint damage which often is. You should probably watch out for that, you can easily be sued for a niggling joint injury you caused.

**LunaHound**

So not much real street experience?

Guess not , though the gap is really big when they lost considering my size vs theirs. Getting a round house kick from me with sneakers on is enough to draw blood on a block.
My father let me take wushu more as self defense. I would be disowned if i go around looking for fights on the street.

Out of curiosity , what martial art do you practice , and are you a Street Fighter ?
Is your special move Hadoken or Shoryuken ?

Organ damage is rarely irreversible (as long as you don't kill them doing it), as opposed to joint damage which often is. You should probably watch out for that, you can easily be sued for a niggling joint injury you caused.

I dont believe in prolonged fights , more so i believe its a disadvantage for me i dont take them out in the first contact.
Thus i dont hold back on force , the only difference for me, between hurting someone vs damaging someone i guess , comes down to me choosing
whether to go ahead with striking those area or not.

*Edit regarding targeting nerves we talked about earlier.
I kick as fast as a person punches , of course not in rapid succession as fast as a punch.
But consider the distance it covers plus the force it delivers , chances more then not , they WILL have to block.
A strand of nerve or an area of sinew or tendon are long in strips. Its not as hard as you think to hit it.

**Tim the Biovore**

I'm thinking it would be wise to make sure no one annoys Luna in person. Unless they are a ninja. But wait, ninjas shouldn't talk. Now I am confused.

Also, I can defend my self by maikng my asailant run for safety. I guess knowing the words to 'Never Gonna Give U Up' has its uses after all.

**LunaHound**

Tim the Biovore wrote:I'm thinking it would be wise to make sure no one annoys Luna in person. Unless they are a ninja. But wait, ninjas shouldn't talk. Now I am confused.

Also, I can defend my self by maikng my asailant run for safety. I guess knowing the words to 'Never Gonna Give U Up' has its uses after all.

Im pretty sure they'll come in person , but with weapons to beat me up T-T

**Tim the Biovore**

Don't worry, most of them will be looking for an anime girl with various forms. Like people will probably look for a sky-diving Jesus when coming after me.

**LunaHound**

The first time i kicked a guy in the balls he layed there on t he floor not moving for 45 mins after recess was over.

Then the teacher asked the class to check if he is in the washroom with diarrhea , then the class president told the teacher i kicked his balls during recess , so teacher went out to check , still laying there.

I never kick anyone in the balls again after that.

Tim the Biovore wrote:Don't worry, most of them will be looking for an anime girl with various forms. Like people will probably look for a sky-diving Jesus when coming after me.

I didnt look closely so i thought it was this guy:

**Lord of Kaith**

Quite a lot of discussion going on here.

FTR Luna, how long have you been taking Wushu? I feel kind of sorry for the guy you kicked, even though he probably deserved it...both because it must have hurt a lot, and the sheer humiliation...no offense meant of course, it's just that getting floored by a girl will be even more humiliating than by a boy...especially if he started the fight

**generalgrog**

Wow, my view of Luna has totally changed forever. It has suddenly went from a pansy smelling hippie, to secret CIA assasin(or Canadian equivalent).

GG

**Ahtman**

Apparently we are all a bunch of bad-asses who will never lose a fight and claim victory, glory, and free bagels for our school.

**Iron_Chaos_Brute**

Ahtman wrote:Apparently we are all a bunch of bad-asses who will never lose a fight and claim victory, glory, and free bagels for our school.

Whoa wait what? I've lost fights before. It hurts.

That's why I talk about winning

**mattyrm**

I havent even looked at this thread because im now 30 years old and i have been of the opinion since i joined the Royal Marines ten years ago that 90% of people who practice martial arts are dicks.

I use that number as everyone who joined the Commando's were young, fit, 18-28 year old men, so many of them practiced martial arts. Say, ten percent of the few thousand i got to know.. and whenever i met someone who was really "into" it, they were dicks.

I cracked and sat and read all of this today, and im glad to see i wasnt wrong with my statistic.

**ShumaGorath**

Out of curiosity , what martial art do you practice , and are you a Street Fighter ?
Is your special move Hadoken or Shoryuken ?

I dunno, what button combo on the nintendo is bbff? What move does that do?

I cracked and sat and read all of this today, and im glad to see i wasnt wrong with my statistic.

Care to elaborate?

**mattyrm**

Sure ill elaborate, almost everyone i met who was mega into martial arts in the corps thought they were hard bastards. They would get 6 or 7 pints into them on a weekend and suddenly think they were Jackie Chan. And i think people gobbing off about their legendary combat prowess on dakka just makes them look.. i dunno.. childish?

Seriously.. knife fighting? And talking about the ease of striking nerves and punching people in the throat.. Do i really need to elaborate?

Thats what i think.. i meet very few people who practice martial arts who actually are "humble" and "modest" and all the other things they apparently advocate when teaching JKD or Wing Chun or the plethora of other things you can opt to learn.

**ShumaGorath**

mattyrm wrote:Sure ill elaborate, almost everyone i met who was mega into martial arts in the corps thought they were hard bastards. They would get 6 or 7 pints into them on a weekend and suddenly think they were Jackie Chan. And i think people gobbing off about their legendary combat prowess on dakka just makes them look.. i dunno.. childish?

Seriously.. knife fighting? And talking about the ease of striking nerves and punching people in the throat.. Do i really need to elaborate?

Thats what i think.. i meet very few people who practice martial arts who actually are "humble" and "modest" and all the other things they apparently advocate when teaching JKD or Wing Chun or the plethora of other things you can opt to learn.

Realistically the same can be said for diehard proponents of all forms of personal combat. No need to get particularly offensive about wing chuns alone.

**Golden Eyed Scout**

Lord of Kaith wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:I learned some karate when I was a kid and I've been in a lot of fights. Does experience count for much?

KingCracker wrote:I think experience speaks louder then showing off belts that you get for learning a combo in a class. Besides, real fights are nothing like they are in classes and in the movies. Its chaotic at best.

Lord of Kaith wrote:Also noted the safety debate....I don't know GES personally so I can't make any judgement...though I agree with Albatross for the most part....if you made a buddy pass out, it's presumable that you aren't 100% sure when to stop with the hold/lock/etc. If you do continue, I'd suggest you let your buddy know to slap you pretty hard when he's starting to lose consciousness...

Yes, I made my buddy pass out from the hold. I have never tried it again , because I didn't know when to break the hold, and I don't want to make the same mistake twice with my friend. We have sparred a few times since then, but have not gone to ground, as we both realised that we needed more training in ground fighting.

I've only been in 2 fights in my life so far, and they all ended pretty quickly. My school record says four, but two didn't count, because they were accidents.

The fights were: In fifth grade guy on the soccer field threw an elbow at me several times, trying to play it off. I tackled him, and punched him in the face and throat before two people pulled me off him. That's a win in my column, at least as far as i see. After my punishment, an internal suspension, because it was my first offense, was served, he came up to me, and said
"Alright man, I'll admit. I was a dick, I did try and get you to fight me, but I didn't think you would. I got respect for you now." We didn't become friens, but he let friends of his who wanted
to fight me now I wasn't a little bitch.

In sixth grade a guy was talking smack about me, which i didn't care about. He then started on my friend. I don't care what you say about me, but my friends are off limits.
I kicked his leg out from under him, his head hit the floor. His friend then started in on me, and we traded shots for a few seconds before people pulled us apart. The guy i kicked didn't get hurt thankfully, he was just dazed that a 5 foot tall, 95 pound heavy, glasses wearing geek actually fought him.

The two accidents were: I was sitting on the arm of a chair talking to a buddy, when I slipped off the arm. I fell into his lap, my elbow dug into his thigh, and he threw me off by instinct.
That was considered a fight, even though he and I were both friends. A security guard saw this and thought it was a fight. We both got a day of ISS (Internal School Suspension), and three
days OSS (Out of School Suspension.)
The second was when a complete stranger kneed me in my crotch. Apparently I looked like someone else. He was man enough to admit his mistake, and it was genuine. Still, a teacher saw, and thought it was a fight. So, once agin, one day ISS, three days OSS.

I'm going to get trained in Brazilian Jui Jitsu at an MMA club to improvemy ground game, and when my friend and I spar, when I'm confident I know my holds and submissions better,
the sparring will then allow for going to ground. As for know, we are keeping with striking and blocking. He's a yellow belt in tae kwon doe, iirc.

So, I have some experiance in fighting, but they mostly relied on taking on people that weren't expecting it and exploitating an advantage. But, hey, my record is 1 win, 1 draw, 0 loses.
I think that's pretty good, right?

@Albatross: When I said practicing, I meant sparring. The words are interchangable to me. Sorry if there was confusion.

**Soladrin**

Wait wait wait.... LUNAS A GIRL?! but .. but.. rule 30...

Anyhow, punching/kicking people in the funny bone isn't funny :(

I'm all martial, no art.

And I always have my knife on me anyway for self defense, I've never used it in a fight or anything, it's more in case someone else thinks of drawing a knife... (though mostly for apples) Last time someone drew a knife though was a robbery I witnessed, me and some friends cornered the guy and he drew a knife and was instantly kicked in the head by 3 people ending that little debate. I got free perfume for it

**Orkeosaurus**

generalgrog wrote:Wow, my view of Luna has totally changed forever. It has suddenly went from a pansy smelling hippie, to secret CIA assasin(or Canadian equivalent).

Pansy smelling hippie? Whenever a thread on self-defense comes up she turns into Rorschach.

**Lord of Kaith**

Golden Eyed Scout wrote:
Lord of Kaith wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:I learned some karate when I was a kid and I've been in a lot of fights. Does experience count for much?

KingCracker wrote:I think experience speaks louder then showing off belts that you get for learning a combo in a class. Besides, real fights are nothing like they are in classes and in the movies. Its chaotic at best.

Lord of Kaith wrote:Also noted the safety debate....I don't know GES personally so I can't make any judgement...though I agree with Albatross for the most part....if you made a buddy pass out, it's presumable that you aren't 100% sure when to stop with the hold/lock/etc. If you do continue, I'd suggest you let your buddy know to slap you pretty hard when he's starting to lose consciousness...

Yes, I made my buddy pass out from the hold. I have never tried it again , because I didn't know when to break the hold, and I don't want to make the same mistake twice with my friend. We have sparred a few times since then, but have not gone to ground, as we both realised that we needed more training in ground fighting.

I've only been in 2 fights in my life so far, and they all ended pretty quickly. My school record says four, but two didn't count, because they were accidents.

The fights were: In fifth grade guy on the soccer field threw an elbow at me several times, trying to play it off. I tackled him, and punched him in the face and throat before two people pulled me off him. That's a win in my column, at least as far as i see. After my punishment, an internal suspension, because it was my first offense, was served, he came up to me, and said
"Alright man, I'll admit. I was a dick, I did try and get you to fight me, but I didn't think you would. I got respect for you now." We didn't become friens, but he let friends of his who wanted
to fight me now I wasn't a little bitch.

In sixth grade a guy was talking smack about me, which i didn't care about. He then started on my friend. I don't care what you say about me, but my friends are off limits.
I kicked his leg out from under him, his head hit the floor. His friend then started in on me, and we traded shots for a few seconds before people pulled us apart. The guy i kicked didn't get hurt thankfully, he was just dazed that a 5 foot tall, 95 pound heavy, glasses wearing geek actually fought him.

The two accidents were: I was sitting on the arm of a chair talking to a buddy, when I slipped off the arm. I fell into his lap, my elbow dug into his thigh, and he threw me off by instinct.
That was considered a fight, even though he and I were both friends. A security guard saw this and thought it was a fight. We both got a day of ISS (Internal School Suspension), and three
days OSS (Out of School Suspension.)
The second was when a complete stranger kneed me in my crotch. Apparently I looked like someone else. He was man enough to admit his mistake, and it was genuine. Still, a teacher saw, and thought it was a fight. So, once agin, one day ISS, three days OSS.

I'm going to get trained in Brazilian Jui Jitsu at an MMA club to improvemy ground game, and when my friend and I spar, when I'm confident I know my holds and submissions better,
the sparring will then allow for going to ground. As for know, we are keeping with striking and blocking. He's a yellow belt in tae kwon doe, iirc.

So, I have some experiance in fighting, but they mostly relied on taking on people that weren't expecting it and exploitating an advantage. But, hey, my record is 1 win, 1 draw, 0 loses.
I think that's pretty good, right?

@Albatross: When I said practicing, I meant sparring. The words are interchangable to me. Sorry if there was confusion.

Quick question, I keep seeing people quote other people....is it just to "bump" the comment so to speak?

Anyhoo, thanks for explaining that better.....there was a bit of confusion, but I think I get you now.

**Golden Eyed Scout**

Lord of Kaith: I actually never got that either. I guess it's just to remind people of which comment they were responding to.

**Soladrin**

Its because the second you stop doing that, they will start taking any argument you make out of it's intended context.

**barlio**

rocklord2004 wrote:Sadly I still have half a year til I can start doing martial arts. Hearty surgery restrictions FTL >.<

Yes, please wait. If you kill over who's going to beat me on a regular basis?

I'm an Orange Belt in shitoryu karate, but I haven't seen a dojo in 3+ years. I wish I would have continued in the training, but oh well.

**LunaHound**

Lord of Kaith wrote:Quite a lot of discussion going on here.

FTR Luna, how long have you been taking Wushu? I feel kind of sorry for the guy you kicked, even though he probably deserved it...both because it must have hurt a lot, and the sheer humiliation...no offense meant of course, it's just that getting floored by a girl will be even more humiliating than by a boy...especially if he started the fight

Took it from grade 5-7 , at that time i also had swimming and figure skating and piano.

So by the start of grade 6 i stopped figure skating.
End of grade 7 stopped wushu and focused on piano and swimming.

I dont think he deserved been kicked that badly , tbh i didnt know it would hurt him that much it freaked me out.
Its just he is the fastest runner in our grade and every time when he pulls me hair from behind and runs away , i cant catch him.
So that last time i saw him coming and kicked his balls before he could do anything -_-

@others thinking internet is filled with tons of self proclaimed martial art experts. Yes you guys could be more right often then not , so i cant really blame you for thinking that way.
Martial artists been humble , oh yes im humble , but that doesnt mean i hold back against bad people which in this case RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWRRRRRR

Orkeosaurus wrote:
generalgrog wrote:Wow, my view of Luna has totally changed forever. It has suddenly went from a pansy smelling hippie, to secret CIA assasin(or Canadian equivalent).
Pansy smelling hippie? Whenever a thread on self-defense comes up she turns into Rorschach.

To be more specific when ever a thread on what she knows personally, she participates. I saw Watchmen , i dont think Rorschach know martial art -_-

Ahtman wrote:Apparently we are all a bunch of bad-asses who will never lose a fight and claim victory, glory, and free bagels for our school.

Reality is often harsh Ahtman , we are all humans , its not hard to be out classed by others in different things.