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I do good old fashioned dirty fighting.

LunaHound wrote:

Orkeosaurus wrote:

generalgrog wrote:Wow, my view of Luna has totally changed forever. It has suddenly went from a pansy smelling hippie, to secret CIA assasin(or Canadian equivalent).

Pansy smelling hippie? Whenever a thread on self-defense comes up she turns into Rorschach.

To be more specific when ever a thread on what she knows personally, she participates. I saw Watchmen , i dont think Rorschach know martial art -_-

Rorshach didn't. He just knew how to kick ass and put someone down so bad that everybody else was too intimidated to much of anything other then what he wanted them to.
Such as the finger breaking scene, or the prison food line. That was awesome right there.

WARNING: VIOLENCE!!! PAIN!!! BADASSERY!!

DAMN!! Won't show.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aF7i4-V1zq4

@G.E.S yes i saw that part a month ago. That movie is so long.

Im not a hippy Orkeo , im bound by 1 very simple rule.

It takes an infinite amount of people to put up with 1 TFG or equivalent , but it only takes that 1 TFG or equivalent to stop been a douche to infinite amount of people.

Golden Eyed Scout wrote:

LunaHound wrote:

Orkeosaurus wrote:

generalgrog wrote:Wow, my view of Luna has totally changed forever. It has suddenly went from a pansy smelling hippie, to secret CIA assasin(or Canadian equivalent).

Pansy smelling hippie? Whenever a thread on self-defense comes up she turns into Rorschach.

To be more specific when ever a thread on what she knows personally, she participates. I saw Watchmen , i dont think Rorschach know martial art -_-

Rorshach didn't. He just knew how to kick ass and put someone down so bad that everybody else was too intimidated to much of anything other then what he wanted them to.
Such as the finger breaking scene, or the prison food line. That was awesome right there.

WARNING: VIOLENCE!!! PAIN!!! BADASSERY!!

DAMN!! Won't show.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aF7i4-V1zq4

He uses some form of martial art in the scene where he is eventually captured by the police, and he uses it for a short moment before ozymendais kicks his ass. He's not supposed to know any, being a brawler in the comics, but it's there in the movie.


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LunaHound wrote:@G.E.S yes i saw that part a month ago. That movie is so long.

Im not a hippy Orkeo , im bound by 1 very simple rule.

It takes an infinite amount of people to put up with 1 TFG or equivalent , but it only takes that 1 TFG or equivalent to stop been a douche to infinite amount of people.

That is a weird rule to live by.

What martial art do you practice shuma?

LunaHound wrote:What martial art do you practice shuma?

Well earlier I stated that I took a few years of karate when I was a kid. After that a little bit of wrestling, a little bit of mixed martial arts (though thats really just practice with individual moves) and some boxing/sparring with other people. Most of what I know about fighting comes from getting in a lot of fights.

ShumaGorath wrote:

LunaHound wrote:What martial art do you practice shuma?

Well earlier I stated that I took a few years of karate when I was a kid. After that a little bit of wrestling, a little bit of mixed martial arts (though thats really just practice with individual moves) and some boxing/sparring with other people. Most of what I know about fighting comes from getting in a lot of fights.

Ooh i see in page 1.

What belt did you get to? and how high can you kick ? and your height ( if you dont mind me asking lol )

LunaHound wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:

LunaHound wrote:What martial art do you practice shuma?

Well earlier I stated that I took a few years of karate when I was a kid. After that a little bit of wrestling, a little bit of mixed martial arts (though thats really just practice with individual moves) and some boxing/sparring with other people. Most of what I know about fighting comes from getting in a lot of fights.

Ooh i see in page 1.

What belt did you get to? and how high can you kick ? and your height ( if you dont mind me asking lol )

Like, the one after orange I think? And above my head. I'm 6' tall, but pretty limber in that regard.

:edit: Actually, I can basically kick myself in the face. I doubt I can get over the head any more without jumping or something, though i had to jump before to really pull it off anyway.

mattyrm wrote:Sure ill elaborate, almost everyone i met who was mega into martial arts in the corps thought they were hard bastards. They would get 6 or 7 pints into them on a weekend and suddenly think they were Jackie Chan. And i think people gobbing off about their legendary combat prowess on dakka just makes them look.. i dunno.. childish?

Seriously.. knife fighting? And talking about the ease of striking nerves and punching people in the throat.. Do i really need to elaborate?

Thats what i think.. i meet very few people who practice martial arts who actually are "humble" and "modest" and all the other things they apparently advocate when teaching JKD or Wing Chun or the plethora of other things you can opt to learn.

Anyone with 6 or 7 pints in them is libel to do something stupid. Any group of males will constantly jockey for position to be the dominate one. Take this thread as an example. A simple question thread got sidetracked by gun fetishists trying to prove they are more manly than Martial Artists. By using your qualifications for judgement about MAs, I could say the exact same things about gun owners and Soldiers. Since I have met few I would consider mature useful people. Now I know that is not the case, there are many good, modest, humble people in both categories. I just haven't met them.

I've studied Renshikan (a branch of Shito-Ryu) for 10 years and have my Black Belt (1st Dan)

ShumaGorath wrote:Most of what I know about fighting comes from getting in a lot of fights.

I can't imagine why anyone would want to try and harm you.

Ahtman wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:Most of what I know about fighting comes from getting in a lot of fights.

I can't imagine why anyone would want to try and harm you.

My grating online persona contrasts sharply against my funloving and dedicated nature in real life. Also I'm dropdead gorgeous.

Thats not really you in the photos then shuma eh? :-)

mattyrm wrote:Thats not really you in the photos then shuma eh? :-)

Pfft. You know you fell in love at first sight.

Thats true mate. Its not your looks though, its your cantankerous nature. Your a man after my own heart. ;-)

LunaHound wrote:@G.E.S yes i saw that part a month ago. That movie is so long.

Im not a hippy Orkeo , im bound by 1 very simple rule.

It takes an infinite amount of people to put up with 1 TFG or equivalent , but it only takes that 1 TFG or equivalent to stop been a douche to infinite amount of people.

That is an amazing rule. I like it. Consider it stolen, or at least being used on a trial basis, lol.

Again, I just realized, that without any real martial art training I have beaten a martial artist by fighting fair before. Good Times. But despite that, I normally lose so next time I can scare the crap out of them.

random ninja squirrel post.

Y'know, as someone who's spent a large portion of his life brawling in one way or another, it does amuse me when people start categorically mapping out how they would take someone out by kicking X location, and then following up with a 2 quick blows to Y spot.

The simple reality is, when you're in a real fight, and by real I mean you and one or more men, possibly armed with knuckledusters, bricks, bottles, and whatever else comes to hand, all technique goes out the window. Except for those brief moments in mid-grapple which seem to last for an eternity, but only last a second or two in reality, you barely have any time to do anything but react. Once you're being smacked in the face with a knuckleduster, and have their mate on your back with an arm around your neck, you can know all the fancy moves you like. Unless you've got enough actual brawling experience to manage to vaguely keep your head, and dish out more damage than you take, it's all just so much bluster.

LunaHound wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:

LunaHound wrote:What martial art do you practice shuma?

Well earlier I stated that I took a few years of karate when I was a kid. After that a little bit of wrestling, a little bit of mixed martial arts (though thats really just practice with individual moves) and some boxing/sparring with other people. Most of what I know about fighting comes from getting in a lot of fights.

Ooh i see in page 1.

What belt did you get to? and how high can you kick ? and your height ( if you dont mind me asking lol )

How come I wasn't asked this? *goes off to cry for being left out*

I'll answer anyway....

I can kick to well above my own head height (I regularly kick the biggest guy in our class, who is 6'6", in the head in sparring--just a normal round kick, not a jump or 360.) I'm currently right at six foot. By currently I mean I'm going to get a lot bigger....I'm 14 right now lol.

Good lord this thread is becoming popular. It's even more of a shock for me, because most sites I frequent have few members compared to this one and are lucky to reach 2-3 pages lol.

I've noted comments made about how we're all coming on to "brag about how bad-ass we are." truth is, humans are selfish. Of course we want a pat on the back. However, I doubt most of us are stupid enough to go around shouting that in public.

I also must agree that all this talk about how we know to apply pressure to X and Z point is fun to read and say, but in a real fight, utterly useless. As I've said, I've been in 3 fights. The one place where you want to hit is rarely in the right spot at the right time. I.E. in the first fight I tried to go for a arm bar (not to bust his arm, just to subdue him) and got my lip busted as a result, because I overextended myself trying to get his arm. In a real fight, you aim for what's open, and you don't start trying to 360 round kick them in the head either. Most techniques of that sort are pretty and look good in tournaments, but in a real fight, you go low. And I don't mean groin low, I mean try to bust their kneecap or ankle. In my first fight (started by the opposing party FTR) the kid, who was a good deal bigger than me, tried to bulldoze me into the locker. I sidekicked him right in the knee---fight over. Thank god I didn't actually break it.

Generally, all this crap you see in movies is nothing like in real life. In a real fight, you're not standing back five yards exchanging 360 round kicks and jump spinheels. Unless you're lucky and can incapacitate them with a kick before they get to you, most fights end up on the ground. I know--except for the first fight, all three I've been in have ended up on the ground. And god, it gets dirty down there. I was a bit shocked when this 15-year-old tried to go for my eyes--and just as shocked when I deliberately broke his wrist a moment later.

Anyway, to close this random, trailing post of mine......CHUCK NORRIS SUCKS!









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Golden Eyed Scout wrote:

LunaHound wrote:@G.E.S yes i saw that part a month ago. That movie is so long.

Im not a hippy Orkeo , im bound by 1 very simple rule.

It takes an infinite amount of people to put up with 1 TFG or equivalent , but it only takes that 1 TFG or equivalent to stop been a douche to infinite amount of people.

That is an amazing rule. I like it. Consider it stolen, or at least being used on a trial basis, lol.

QFT! I like it!

Lord of Kaith wrote:
I've noted comments made about how we're all coming on to "brag about how bad-ass we are." truth is, humans are selfish. Of course we want a pat on the back. However, I doubt most of us are stupid enough to go around shouting that in public.

QFT. In the two fights I've been in, and the many I've observed, I/they never said "I know Kung Fu/BJJ/ whatever." to their opponent. Now, when I'm talking to friends that know martial arts and the topics is martial arts,
we compare the length of time we've spent learning the particular style/system, ("I've done two years of Judo." "I've done five of Muay Thai.") but not belt or color levels. I never figured that out, tbh.

Lord of Kaith wrote:I also must agree that all this talk about how we know to apply pressure to X and Z point is fun to read and say, but in a real fight, utterly useless. As I've said, I've been in 3 fights. The one place where you want to hit is rarely in the right spot at the right time. I.E. in the first fight I tried to go for a arm bar (not to bust his arm, just to subdue him) and got my lip busted as a result, because I overextended myself trying to get his arm. In a real fight, you aim for what's open, and you don't start trying to 360 round kick them in the head either. Most techniques of that sort are pretty and look good in tournaments, but in a real fight, you go low. And I don't mean groin low, I mean try to bust their kneecap or ankle. In my first fight (started by the opposing party FTR) the kid, who was a good deal bigger than me, tried to bulldoze me into the locker. I sidekicked him right in the knee---fight over. Thank god I didn't actually break it.

Generally, all this crap you see in movies is nothing like in real life. In a real fight, you're not standing back five yards exchanging 360 round kicks and jump spinheels. Unless you're lucky and can incapacitate them with a kick before they get to you, most fights end up on the ground.

Not so where i live. Maybe it's just the way people prefer to fight up here, but most fights that I've seen tend to be people trading shots, as it's smarter then going to ground, because as soon as you're down there,
the other guys friends will just stomp on you, which ain't fun. Also, when you try and take someone to ground, most of the brawlers don't know how to quickly, which means that valuable fighting time is wasted, allowing
teachers or security guards to step in and break it up.
Course, when you're on the ground struggling too, it looks gay. And since high school jackasses don't won't to get labeled queer, they generally don't ground grapples. This also leaves them
at a disadvantage against someone who has even done just a few months of scholastic wrestling, as the first thing your taught, aside from stance, is takedowns.

Ketara wrote:Y'know, as someone who's spent a large portion of his life brawling in one way or another, it does amuse me when people start categorically mapping out how they would take someone out by kicking X location, and then following up with a 2 quick blows to Y spot.

The simple reality is, when you're in a real fight, and by real I mean you and one or more men, possibly armed with knuckledusters, bricks, bottles, and whatever else comes to hand, all technique goes out the window. Except for those brief moments in mid-grapple which seem to last for an eternity, but only last a second or two in reality, you barely have any time to do anything but react. Once you're being smacked in the face with a knuckleduster, and have their mate on your back with an arm around your neck, you can know all the fancy moves you like. Unless you've got enough actual brawling experience to manage to vaguely keep your head, and dish out more damage than you take, it's all just so much bluster.

Its not that every fight starts off with hope to hit X or Y spots.
The spots are all over the body. If the opponent is fast and generally making it hard for you to land specific spots ,
you kick them and just kick them till they are forced to block , then you look for other exposed spots to hit.

Mapping out spots to hit , there are tons of spots to hit , its not so much different as you try to aim for the face.
For example , in boxing do people block alot on their head and body? they sure do. Does that stop people from punching their heads and body? nope.

Imagine adding kicks in , suddenly the places you need to block just increased didnt it?

Ketara wrote:Y'know, as someone who's spent a large portion of his life brawling in one way or another, it does amuse me when people start categorically mapping out how they would take someone out by kicking X location, and then following up with a 2 quick blows to Y spot.

The simple reality is, when you're in a real fight, and by real I mean you and one or more men, possibly armed with knuckledusters, bricks, bottles, and whatever else comes to hand, all technique goes out the window. Except for those brief moments in mid-grapple which seem to last for an eternity, but only last a second or two in reality, you barely have any time to do anything but react. Once you're being smacked in the face with a knuckleduster, and have their mate on your back with an arm around your neck, you can know all the fancy moves you like. Unless you've got enough actual brawling experience to manage to vaguely keep your head, and dish out more damage than you take, it's all just so much bluster.

Keeping your head, experience, and technique are all critical to winning a fight. If your technique disappears when you fight, then you don't really have any to begin with. Your decribed style suggests you only expect Pyrrhic victories and nothing else is realistic, so why would you fight then?

Crimson Devil wrote:

Ketara wrote:Y'know, as someone who's spent a large portion of his life brawling in one way or another, it does amuse me when people start categorically mapping out how they would take someone out by kicking X location, and then following up with a 2 quick blows to Y spot.

The simple reality is, when you're in a real fight, and by real I mean you and one or more men, possibly armed with knuckledusters, bricks, bottles, and whatever else comes to hand, all technique goes out the window. Except for those brief moments in mid-grapple which seem to last for an eternity, but only last a second or two in reality, you barely have any time to do anything but react. Once you're being smacked in the face with a knuckleduster, and have their mate on your back with an arm around your neck, you can know all the fancy moves you like. Unless you've got enough actual brawling experience to manage to vaguely keep your head, and dish out more damage than you take, it's all just so much bluster.

Keeping your head, experience, and technique are all critical to winning a fight. If your technique disappears when you fight, then you don't really have any to begin with. Your decribed style suggests you only expect Pyrrhic victories and nothing else is realistic, so why would you fight then?

Self defense.

Its not that every fight starts off with hope to hit X or Y spots.
The spots are all over the body. If the opponent is fast and generally making it hard for you to land specific spots ,
you kick them and just kick them till they are forced to block , then you look for other exposed spots to hit.

Mapping out spots to hit , there are tons of spots to hit , its not so much different as you try to aim for the face.
For example , in boxing do people block alot on their head and body? they sure do. Does that stop people from punching their heads and body? nope.

Imagine adding kicks in , suddenly the places you need to block just increased didnt it?

Get in an actual fight and come back describing how well "repeatedly kicking until you find a weakspot" works.

ShumaGorath wrote:
Get in an actual fight and come back describing how well "repeatedly kicking until you find a weakspot" works.

Oh hey , i was wondering when we'll get back to your usual method of arguing .
Was wondering why you were so tame when it comes to discussing with me yesterday when orkeo paved a nice path for you :3

When every kick you blocked is hard enough the spot it landed turned purple + black with blood rupturing out , we'll see how long you can last.
I guess we'll see what happens if they choose to not block.

LunaHound wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:
Get in an actual fight and come back describing how well "repeatedly kicking until you find a weakspot" works.

Oh hey , i was wondering when we'll get back to your usual method of arguing .
Was wondering why you were so tame when it comes to discussing with me yesterday when orkeo paved a nice path for you :3

I respond to things on a fairly even kilter. You asked me how high I could kick then did nothing when I answered which I found odd, and you still won't tell me what my bbff is.

When every kick you blocked is hard enough the spot it landed turned purple + black with blood rupturing out , we'll see how long you can last.
I guess we'll see what happens if they choose to not block.

As fun as it is to theorycraft actual fights thats generally not how they work. You kick, they block (if you're accurate and they do actually manage to block) and then at that point they step in and hit you. Fighting at standoff range is a myth if you're opponent is even remotely determined. Regardless though, this is a goku vs superman argument based entirely on unknown hypotheticals so lets just leave it at that.

ShumaGorath wrote:

LunaHound wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:
Get in an actual fight and come back describing how well "repeatedly kicking until you find a weakspot" works.

Oh hey , i was wondering when we'll get back to your usual method of arguing .
Was wondering why you were so tame when it comes to discussing with me yesterday when orkeo paved a nice path for you :3

I respond to things on a fairly even kilter. You asked me how high I could kick then did nothing when I answered which I found odd, and you still won't tell me what my bbff is.

Yes the discussion so far was great , i was very impressed and happy with you tbh. Till you came with the usual

I didnt realize you asked what BBFF is in the thread o_o sorry if i missed it. Perhaps to be polite you have considered chatting with me in PM?

ShumaGorath wrote:You kick, they block (if you're accurate and they do actually manage to block) and then at that point they step in and hit you. Fighting at standoff range is a myth if you're opponent is even remotely determined. Regardless though, this is a goku vs superman argument based entirely on unknown hypotheticals so lets just leave it at that.

Oh i agree , thats why back a few pages ago i clearly stated , we all have things we excel at. Im happened to very good on kicks. But then of course everything is hard to put in perspective
until we actually sparred in person. Which is why i left it at that. But then you chose to bring it up o_o which is why i find it abit funny.

Yes the discussion so far was great , i was very impressed and happy with you tbh. Till you came with the usual

*shrugs*

You're acting like you can discuss the science of a fight by talking about strike zones and your amazing kicks (which I have no doubt are quite painful) but that's not how actual fights works. Point based competitions with padding function entirely differently than a self defense situation, just as boxing matches do.

I didnt realize you asked what BBFF is in the thread o_o sorry if i missed it. Perhaps to be polite you have considered chatting with me in PM?

I figured I was just being polite by asking. You said I had a bbff, and you never told me what it was. If it's ok to say in public, I don't understand why you can't explain what it means.

LunaHound wrote:Was wondering why you were so tame when it comes to discussing with me yesterday when orkeo paved a nice path for you :3

What? When was I paving paths?

ShumaGorath wrote:

Yes the discussion so far was great , i was very impressed and happy with you tbh. Till you came with the usual

*shrugs*

You're acting like you can discuss the science of a fight by talking about strike zones and your amazing kicks (which I have no doubt are quite painful) but that's not how actual fights works. Point based competitions with padding function entirely differently than a self defense situation, just as boxing matches do.

I didnt realize you asked what BBFF is in the thread o_o sorry if i missed it. Perhaps to be polite you have considered chatting with me in PM?

I figured I was just being polite by asking. You said I had a bbff, and you never told me what it was. If it's ok to say in public, I don't understand why you can't explain what it means.

I can o_o , i just find it abit disrespectful towards the thread to discuss that. The old thread i asked you a question , but you didnt reply , then it was locked. And i didnt want to bring it up
to this thread which is totally unrelated. Hence i suggested PM. Its not that i cant reply here , its just weird and have nothing to do with you and me.

ok?