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Just boxing for me.


By the time someone has begun the sentence " Careful, I do martial arts " or "My hands and feet are deadly weapons" they have a broken jaw and i'm back to supping my pint.

ShumaGorath wrote:

Yes the discussion so far was great , i was very impressed and happy with you tbh. Till you came with the usual

*shrugs*

You're acting like you can discuss the science of a fight by talking about strike zones and your amazing kicks (which I have no doubt are quite painful) but that's not how actual fights works. Point based competitions with padding function entirely differently than a self defense situation, just as boxing matches do.

Shuma is right about the vast diferences in "competition fighting" and Fighting,in a "competition enverionment" (no matter how skilled the combatents),there are rules,and those who monitor said rules,people may get "hurt",but no one is going to beat your skull in with a pool cue.
In a "real" fight,things become some what chaotic very quickly (especialy in a bar room setting),and to much "finess" can end with your face on the floor courtesy of a beer bottle,now as I said "experince" certianly helps most of the time,but in a "brawl" vicious and brutal often overcome "training".

FITZZ wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:

Yes the discussion so far was great , i was very impressed and happy with you tbh. Till you came with the usual

*shrugs*

You're acting like you can discuss the science of a fight by talking about strike zones and your amazing kicks (which I have no doubt are quite painful) but that's not how actual fights works. Point based competitions with padding function entirely differently than a self defense situation, just as boxing matches do.

Shuma is right about the vast diferences in "competition fighting" and Fighting,in a "competition enverionment" (no matter how skilled the combatents),there are rules,and those who monitor said rules,people may get "hurt",but no one is going to beat your skull in with a pool cue.
In a "real" fight,things become some what chaotic very quickly (especialy in a bar room setting),and to much "finess" can end with your face on the floor courtesy of a beer bottle,now as I said "experince" certianly helps most of the time,but in a "brawl" vicious and brutal often overcome "training".

I understand him Fitzz , but i just have that much confidence because i view the normal brawl to be like a hockey fight. then its sort of laughable.
Im not saying all people that get into fights are incompetent , im sure many are. But its just abit funny when most people tire themeself out before landing a touch on me.
But then if you mention weapons are involved , well... thats like criminal charges now o_o

LunaHound wrote:But then if you mention weapons are involved , well... thats like criminal charges now o_o

We are talking about a street fight, there are no rules until the fight is over. Whether it is illegal or not won't stop it. Prepare for cheap shots, eye-gouges, fish-hooks, genital attacks, improvised weapons, non-improvised weapons, and in all probability, friends of one or the other getting involved.

Ahtman wrote:

LunaHound wrote:But then if you mention weapons are involved , well... thats like criminal charges now o_o

We are talking about a street fight, there are no rules until the fight is over. Whether it is illegal or not won't stop it. Prepare for cheap shots, eye-gouges, fish-hooks, genital attacks, improvised weapons, non-improvised weapons, and in all probability, friends of one or the other getting involved.

In that case , im running away :3
though realistically... thats not possible as i dont go out alone -_- and people wouldnt leave it at that.

So i really truly feel bad for anyone that dare to touch me in public .

LunaHound wrote:

FITZZ wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:

Yes the discussion so far was great , i was very impressed and happy with you tbh. Till you came with the usual

*shrugs*

You're acting like you can discuss the science of a fight by talking about strike zones and your amazing kicks (which I have no doubt are quite painful) but that's not how actual fights works. Point based competitions with padding function entirely differently than a self defense situation, just as boxing matches do.

Shuma is right about the vast diferences in "competition fighting" and Fighting,in a "competition enverionment" (no matter how skilled the combatents),there are rules,and those who monitor said rules,people may get "hurt",but no one is going to beat your skull in with a pool cue.
In a "real" fight,things become some what chaotic very quickly (especialy in a bar room setting),and to much "finess" can end with your face on the floor courtesy of a beer bottle,now as I said "experince" certianly helps most of the time,but in a "brawl" vicious and brutal often overcome "training".

I understand him Fitzz , but i just have that much confidence because i view the normal brawl to be like a hockey fight. then its sort of laughable.

But then if you mention weapons are involved , well... thats like criminal charges now o_o

I get what your saying,and if by "normal brawl" you mean "high school shoving match",then yes,that is laughable...however,I've seen/been in fights in wich people have been beaten to the ground and kicked into unconsieousness(sp),and so many "bar fights" it's bordering on stupid...but "weapons" do get used,and criminal charges not withstanding,the people involved are in a "survival situation"...not a competition,it's a big difference.

*Nod nod. Hopefully i wont get into those situations involving myself , i cant really imagine what i could do to end up in that situation xD

Though i saw too many times when it comes to people with knives, crow bar , (lol chains?) looking for trouble with my cousin or his friends.

What you need to do is take the offensive; find people who look like they might mug you, and attack them before they do. If they're big, it may be a good idea to follow them for a while and then push them off of a balcony when you get the chance. And if you mess up, just run away, and then come back the next day wearing a fake beard, or a Zorro mask.

Orkeosaurus wrote:What you need to do is take the offensive; find people who look like they might mug you, and attack them before they do. If they're big, it may be a good idea to follow them for a while and then push them off of a balcony when you get the chance. And if you mess up, just run away, and then come back the next day wearing a fake beard, or a Zorro mask.

Batman...

Aye ! Los hombres enmascarados apesadumbrados hablamos solamente español

Ahtman wrote:

LunaHound wrote:But then if you mention weapons are involved , well... thats like criminal charges now o_o

We are talking about a street fight, there are no rules until the fight is over. Whether it is illegal or not won't stop it. Prepare for cheap shots, eye-gouges, fish-hooks, genital attacks, improvised weapons, non-improvised weapons, and in all probability, friends of one or the other getting involved.

I have nothing against that list except for one: Eye gouging. I seriously do not want me eyes gouged out, I use them alot and rather like how they work.....

But you're cool with people attacking your genitals?

Slarg232 wrote:I have nothing against that list except for one: Eye gouging. I seriously do not want me eyes gouged out, I use them alot and rather like how they work.....

Then do what I do: avoid getting into street fights.

Orkeosaurus wrote:But you're cool with people attacking your genitals?

2d Dan in Haidong Gumdo.

ShumaGorath wrote:

Crimson Devil wrote:

Ketara wrote:Y'know, as someone who's spent a large portion of his life brawling in one way or another, it does amuse me when people start categorically mapping out how they would take someone out by kicking X location, and then following up with a 2 quick blows to Y spot.

The simple reality is, when you're in a real fight, and by real I mean you and one or more men, possibly armed with knuckledusters, bricks, bottles, and whatever else comes to hand, all technique goes out the window. Except for those brief moments in mid-grapple which seem to last for an eternity, but only last a second or two in reality, you barely have any time to do anything but react. Once you're being smacked in the face with a knuckleduster, and have their mate on your back with an arm around your neck, you can know all the fancy moves you like. Unless you've got enough actual brawling experience to manage to vaguely keep your head, and dish out more damage than you take, it's all just so much bluster.

Keeping your head, experience, and technique are all critical to winning a fight. If your technique disappears when you fight, then you don't really have any to begin with. Your decribed style suggests you only expect Pyrrhic victories and nothing else is realistic, so why would you fight then?

Self defense.

Its not that every fight starts off with hope to hit X or Y spots.
The spots are all over the body. If the opponent is fast and generally making it hard for you to land specific spots ,
you kick them and just kick them till they are forced to block , then you look for other exposed spots to hit.

Mapping out spots to hit , there are tons of spots to hit , its not so much different as you try to aim for the face.
For example , in boxing do people block alot on their head and body? they sure do. Does that stop people from punching their heads and body? nope.

Imagine adding kicks in , suddenly the places you need to block just increased didnt it?

Get in an actual fight and come back describing how well "repeatedly kicking until you find a weakspot" works.

You make weak spots. A slight change in timing will get your opponent to miss with their block.

Of course in your world; it would seem a better plan to curl up into a ball and hope they go away than fight it out.


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I was going to refute alot of the BS going on in this thread, but it really is pointless. Think what you will.

Ive just skimmed over this but all im seeing is stuff like.. I use eye gouges alot... I feel sorry for anybody who tries to mess with me... I can take more punishment than the other guy. They should just disband the Navy Seals and send you guys instead. We can start a psyops campaign and drop leaflets over Afghanistan with a link to the OT forum. The taliban will be gaking themselves! :-)

mattyrm wrote:Ive just skimmed over this but all im seeing is stuff like.. I use eye gouges alot... I feel sorry for anybody who tries to mess with me... I can take more punishment than the other guy. They should just disband the Navy Seals and send you guys instead. We can start a psyops campaign and drop leaflets over Afghanistan with a link to the OT forum. The taliban will be gaking themselves! :-)

I know exactly what you mean, bro. Don't mess with us 40k geeks, right? We'll kick your ass! That's why I take bodyguards to the local tournaments! Seriously, all this dong-measuring is just ridiculous. A real man is an honourable man, a reliable guy, an asset to his community and his family. But action movies, pro sports and men's rags have us all thinking we should be grouping in milimetres with a 9mm, beating up other guys (to prove our worth, or some s*&% like that) and boning every available chick. Just stupid.

mattyrm wrote:Ive just skimmed over this but all im seeing is stuff like.. I use eye gouges alot...

I don't recall anyone saying they use eye gouges a lot, just that I pointed out that people fight dirty in street fights and that could be one of the things. As for the rest of your observation, it has already been pointed out several pages ago.

LunaHound wrote: Im not saying all people that get into fights are incompetent , im sure many are. But its just abit funny when most people tire themeself out before landing a touch on me.

This is awesome.

Crimson Devil wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:

Crimson Devil wrote:

Ketara wrote:Y'know, as someone who's spent a large portion of his life brawling in one way or another, it does amuse me when people start categorically mapping out how they would take someone out by kicking X location, and then following up with a 2 quick blows to Y spot.

The simple reality is, when you're in a real fight, and by real I mean you and one or more men, possibly armed with knuckledusters, bricks, bottles, and whatever else comes to hand, all technique goes out the window. Except for those brief moments in mid-grapple which seem to last for an eternity, but only last a second or two in reality, you barely have any time to do anything but react. Once you're being smacked in the face with a knuckleduster, and have their mate on your back with an arm around your neck, you can know all the fancy moves you like. Unless you've got enough actual brawling experience to manage to vaguely keep your head, and dish out more damage than you take, it's all just so much bluster.

Keeping your head, experience, and technique are all critical to winning a fight. If your technique disappears when you fight, then you don't really have any to begin with. Your decribed style suggests you only expect Pyrrhic victories and nothing else is realistic, so why would you fight then?

Self defense.

Its not that every fight starts off with hope to hit X or Y spots.
The spots are all over the body. If the opponent is fast and generally making it hard for you to land specific spots ,
you kick them and just kick them till they are forced to block , then you look for other exposed spots to hit.

Mapping out spots to hit , there are tons of spots to hit , its not so much different as you try to aim for the face.
For example , in boxing do people block alot on their head and body? they sure do. Does that stop people from punching their heads and body? nope.

Imagine adding kicks in , suddenly the places you need to block just increased didnt it?

Get in an actual fight and come back describing how well "repeatedly kicking until you find a weakspot" works.

You make weak spots. A slight change in timing will get your opponent to miss with their block.

Of course in your world; it would seem a better plan to curl up into a ball and hope they go away than fight it out.


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I was going to refute alot of the BS going on in this thread, but it really is pointless. Think what you will.

I think everyone is still getting mad for little reason...

The whole point of the GD thread is to talk about martial arts....sometimes people get carried away and brag, yes. It's fun. As I said, humans are, by nature, selfish. We want people to think we're "cool", especially the younger ones (myself included.) If you think someone's just bragging gak and would get their ass kicked in 2.5 seconds in a real fight, fine. You may very well be right. But let them have their fun! It's an internet forum...there are worse things we could be doing...

Besides, if we don't warn them, when they DO get their ass kicked in a real fight, they'll stop bragging!

@ Orky-Kowboy what a thing to wake up to...lol. Made my day

@ mattyrm lol! Good idea!

I think all the chaos and crazyness was covered by me on the first page. And again, my martial art style works perfectly. And for a one time payment of $20, I can teach YOU! the KingCracker "Just fcking shoot um" system in 1 week or less! OPERATORS ARE STANDING BY!
(I WANTED Billy Mayes to be the spokemen, but he tried to take some of my nose dustin, so I fcking shot um)

How people who have taken a lot of martial arts and have never actually been in a fight think fighting works.

How fights are more likely to play out.


The green ranger is in both of these videos, and I'm pretty sure he isn't impotent. In which one do you count more sweet ass repeated kicks measuring the opponents defense and finding his weak-spot for mega damage?

LunaHound wrote:Aye ! Los hombres enmascarados apesadumbrados hablamos solamente español

Ah! Der Man spreche Entschuldigung nur auf Deutsch!
If I remember my German it should be like this(there are some mistakes,surely).

LunaHound wrote:

Ketara wrote:Y'know, as someone who's spent a large portion of his life brawling in one way or another, it does amuse me when people start categorically mapping out how they would take someone out by kicking X location, and then following up with a 2 quick blows to Y spot.

The simple reality is, when you're in a real fight, and by real I mean you and one or more men, possibly armed with knuckledusters, bricks, bottles, and whatever else comes to hand, all technique goes out the window. Except for those brief moments in mid-grapple which seem to last for an eternity, but only last a second or two in reality, you barely have any time to do anything but react. Once you're being smacked in the face with a knuckleduster, and have their mate on your back with an arm around your neck, you can know all the fancy moves you like. Unless you've got enough actual brawling experience to manage to vaguely keep your head, and dish out more damage than you take, it's all just so much bluster.

Its not that every fight starts off with hope to hit X or Y spots.
The spots are all over the body. If the opponent is fast and generally making it hard for you to land specific spots ,
you kick them and just kick them till they are forced to block , then you look for other exposed spots to hit.

You know, I once saw a guy trying that in a street fight. He was a Tae-Kwon-Do practitioner who'd shot his mouth off. He tried high-kicking kicking the other guy, who then took the kick, promptly grabbed his leg, and kicked him in the balls. Didn't end well for him.

Lunahound wrote:Mapping out spots to hit , there are tons of spots to hit , its not so much different as you try to aim for the face.[/color]
For example , in boxing do people block alot on their head and body? they sure do. Does that stop people from punching their heads and body? nope.

Imagine adding kicks in , suddenly the places you need to block just increased didnt it?

Blocking is a strange concept I've noticed martial artists seem obsessed with. There's this idea that the other guy will be 'blocking' your moves, so you need to get 'around his guard'. Every street fight I've ever been in or seen is people trying to kick the crap out of each other. You don't worry about 'blocking' you take the hit and try to deal more damage back than you're taking. Last one standing is the winner and doesn't get his head stomped in and taken to casualty.

Crimson Devil wrote:

Ketara wrote:Y'know, as someone who's spent a large portion of his life brawling in one way or another, it does amuse me when people start categorically mapping out how they would take someone out by kicking X location, and then following up with a 2 quick blows to Y spot.

The simple reality is, when you're in a real fight, and by real I mean you and one or more men, possibly armed with knuckledusters, bricks, bottles, and whatever else comes to hand, all technique goes out the window. Except for those brief moments in mid-grapple which seem to last for an eternity, but only last a second or two in reality, you barely have any time to do anything but react. Once you're being smacked in the face with a knuckleduster, and have their mate on your back with an arm around your neck, you can know all the fancy moves you like. Unless you've got enough actual brawling experience to manage to vaguely keep your head, and dish out more damage than you take, it's all just so much bluster.

Keeping your head, experience, and technique are all critical to winning a fight. If your technique disappears when you fight, then you don't really have any to begin with. Your decribed style suggests you only expect Pyrrhic victories and nothing else is realistic, so why would you fight then?

Described style? The reason I get into fights, is because me and chavs do not get along, and they tend not to like it when people don't cower in fear whenever they shoot their mouths off, or try and intimidate them. I went to a school full of chavs, a college full of gangsta's, and now I'm at a University in a town with a large chav population. I don't go looking for fights, but I'm fully used to ending up in a fight with people bigger than me, and being outnumbered.

My 'technique' as you put it, involvesone incredibly quick right hook to the stomach and running if the odds are too bad, carrying a knuckleduster at night, or if the odds are vaguely even, taking whatever they can do to me, and kicking them in the balls, winding them, trying to poke them in the eyes, biting, punching, grappling, well placed elbows and knees, and headbutting. In short, everything my body has, and everything I have to hand that can be used as a weapon.

Make no mistake, I'm not making myself out to be a 'hard man' here. I've just spent a good portion of my life getting into fights with other men in less than ideal circumstances. As mentioned before, fights are all 'batman vs superman' on the internet. The simple fact is though, when you KNOW that if you don't win, draw, or get away, you'll quite possibly end up the next dead teenager in the paper, 'technique' and 'hitting in x spot' goes out the window. It's survival, pure and simple. Anyone who's been in a significant number of fights where you've actually been trying to wound/kill the other person knows that it all comes down to how much physical experience you have at dealing out damage, and how high your pain threshold is and ability to recover from an opponents blows.

All jokes about shooting people aside, I completely agree with Ketara on his stance. This guy is 100% no BS on what he says. Ive been into some scraps myself, thats why Ive been saying from page 1, REAL FIGHTS are chaotic at best. You learn real friggin fast, if your going to win, or not going to win.

Hell even kicking in the balls doesnt ALWAYS work. I was once in a fight where I did just that, the guy was clobbering me. I got the chance and punted him something fierce. The problem was, he got even more mad at me. In those situation what are you honestly going to do to that person, other then allow him to gracefully kick your teeth in

All joking aside, i think training your body is way more important than martial arts, it just makes you tougher.

When i was in Iraq and i didnt drink any booze for 7 months, i trained almost every day and when i boxed with my friends i could just walk into punches and shrug them off. I didnt once get badly winded enough to hit the floor and I got knocked on my ass a few times when they got me with a proper good hook in the chin or head, but i was straight back up, and we actually fought, not pansy sparring.

Then i get home, go on the piss for 6 weeks and im convinced that if i got slapped by my 6 year old or nephew/hit by a car doing 3 mph/my leg humped by a dog id drop down dead.

I've never seen anyone attempt to 'block' in a 'proper' fight. Also, the only kicks I've ever seen used have been aimed at prone bodies.

Occasionally by me.

That's because 'blocking' is a martial arts concept that most people don't have time for in a fight. Dodging, perhaps, I've seen it happen, and done it occasionally.

And you're right, someone who kicks in a 'proper' fight is just asking to get knocked to the ground. Why on earth you would remove your centre of gravity when someone is probably trying to elbow you in the head is beyond me. Then again, I guess that it goes back to this martial arts idea of ranged fighting and whatnot.

It's all slightly bizare to me. I have some ken-jutsu experience(japanese sword-fighting) so I understand how important range can be in a fight where weapons are involved, but a street fight/pub brawl? It doesn't really enter into it. My best friend is a black belt in thai kickboxing, one of the most lethal martial arts out there, and even he says that if someone bigger than him gets starts grappling with him,most of his martial arts stuff goes out the window.

Incidentally, he actually got into a street fight with a guy with a knuckleduster. He took a blow to the face that left a scar, but reached out and broke the guys arm in three different places. That's the more practical kind of skill I wouldn't mind learning.

Pipboy101 wrote:The comment is for those idiots that might know how to kill some one with the pinky to keep it to themselves when they are out in public or dealing with a large group of people. You spar off one on one in your training but a normal fight in a bar ends up being one idiot that thinks he can fight being bum rushed by six of the other guy's buddies.

So keep it to yourself people.

A tank is a deadly weapon of war, but against ten thousand people with pitchforks the tank will always lose. It is the same with martial arts.

Well actually, I'd take a tank vs. the guys with pitchforks...
crush and grind for da win!


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Crimson Devil wrote:

mattyrm wrote:Sure ill elaborate, almost everyone i met who was mega into martial arts in the corps thought they were hard bastards. They would get 6 or 7 pints into them on a weekend and suddenly think they were Jackie Chan. And i think people gobbing off about their legendary combat prowess on dakka just makes them look.. i dunno.. childish?

Seriously.. knife fighting? And talking about the ease of striking nerves and punching people in the throat.. Do i really need to elaborate?

Thats what i think.. i meet very few people who practice martial arts who actually are "humble" and "modest" and all the other things they apparently advocate when teaching JKD or Wing Chun or the plethora of other things you can opt to learn.

Anyone with 6 or 7 pints in them is libel to do something stupid. Any group of males will constantly jockey for position to be the dominate one. Take this thread as an example. A simple question thread got sidetracked by gun fetishists trying to prove they are more manly than Martial Artists. By using your qualifications for judgement about MAs, I could say the exact same things about gun owners and Soldiers. Since I have met few I would consider mature useful people. Now I know that is not the case, there are many good, modest, humble people in both categories. I just haven't met them.

I feel sad, you didn't mention the rocket propelled chainsaw fetishists.

Modquisition on.
Lets all be polite here. Its a thread asking about who was in martial arts, not whether guns are better or whether people who have taken martial arts in the past are pricks.

(legal disclaimer, I burned my knees out on taekwondo, kickboxing, and good old fashioned karate when younger, and yes I am a prick. )