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I studied Shotokan (Karate) in my teenage years,but I admit I am much more a boxer/brawler (street fighter) than a highly trained "martial artist".
My son however is an orange belt in Tae Kwon Do,placed second in Jr.compitition and should be a black belt before he is 12 (yup,I'm braging).

His lunch money is safe then.

Dose nerd fu apply as a martial art?

It's like clockwork, that all of these threads turn into penis length aruments, see the "Ohh yeah, well my gun is bigger than your gun" hence my preemptive penis size boast.

GG

Pipboy101 wrote:

Martial Arts, getting people in shape and dead since the invention of gun poweder. Keep it yourselves people.

Right, because you and you're opponent are both going to have a firearm on you in 100% of confrontational encounters, and obviously, nobody ever needs to take an opponent alive.

Also, what do you mean "Keep it to yourselves?" The GD thread is about martial arts, not how firearms are obviously superior.

The comment is for those idiots that might know how to kill some one with the pinky to keep it to themselves when they are out in public or dealing with a large group of people. You spar off one on one in your training but a normal fight in a bar ends up being one idiot that thinks he can fight being bum rushed by six of the other guy's buddies.

So keep it to yourself people.

A tank is a deadly weapon of war, but against ten thousand people with pitchforks the tank will always lose. It is the same with martial arts.

KingCracker wrote:

generalgrog wrote:I have a fairly inpressive resume'

Belts are for sissies. I have advaned training in Tae Kwon Doe, Chung Moo Doe, Kung Fu, Russian Sambo, Philipino Knife fighting, Australian great white shark hunting, Florida Alligator 'wrassling', And last but not least Texas Weiner Dog wrangling. Oh.. and I have an abnormally large penis.

GG

I LOL'd pretty good on that one.

ShumaGorath wrote:I learned some karate when I was a kid and I've been in a lot of fights. Does experience count for much?

I think experience speaks louder then showing off belts that you get for learning a combo in a class. Besides, real fights are nothing like they are in classes and in the movies. Its chaotic at best.

Our school doesn't teach the fancy gak that a lot of schools do, that's more likely to get you killed than anything else....

One of our instructors, a 4th degree black belt, teaches street fighting a lot. He says kicks to the stomach/head are usually useless and futile because all your opponent will do is grab your leg and from there you're in a bad situation. He actually teaches us to aim kicks for knees, ankles, and the groin, with the first two the idea is to break something, and with the third...well, if you're a male, it hurts.

I browsed the small debate going on here, and agree with some, but not all of what's been said...Tae Kwon Do is in no way useless. You can end a fight in approx. 2 seconds on your feet. Do a step-behind sidekick into their kneecap and bust it. Or round kick their ankle. On your feet, you have superior reach, since Tae Kwon Do focuses on kicks, and can stop the fight from ever going to ground. And if it does go to ground...well, that's why I'm learning Jujitsu.

Also noted the safety debate....I don't know GES personally so I can't make any judgement...though I agree with Albatross for the most part....if you made a buddy pass out, it's presumable that you aren't 100% sure when to stop with the hold/lock/etc. If you do continue, I'd suggest you let your buddy know to slap you pretty hard when he's starting to lose consciousness...

No, a kick between the legs hurts a woman just as well. Trust me, I have field goaled my share of working in law enforcement career.

Pipboy101 wrote:The comment is for those idiots that might know how to kill some one with the pinky to keep it to themselves when they are out in public or dealing with a large group of people. You spar off one on one in your training but a normal fight in a bar ends up being one idiot that thinks he can fight being bum rushed by six of the other guy's buddies.

So keep it to yourself people.

A tank is a deadly weapon of war, but against ten thousand people with pitchforks the tank will always lose. It is the same with martial arts.

I'm fairly sure the same principle applies to guns...but what is the point of this exactly?

Your overall comment, if I understand you, is that martial arts is useless crap because either a) it will involve you vs. more people than you can handle or b) they'll just pull a gun out and blow your head off. Both are, IMHO, rather poor arguments.

Your comment doesn't serve much purpose. If someone thinks that because he knows martial arts he can go start beating the gak out of gangs, yes, I agree, he is a total moron. BUT that doesn't mean martial arts is pointless, or just to keep in shape. It could very well save your life--or at least spare you a bloody lip someday. Especially at a younger age. Until you get into your mid to late teens, most fights are resolved with fists, not knives and guns.

And who the hell says every fight is going to involve the poor martial artist vs. a dozen gangsters swinging chains? If you speak from personal experience, and have been in a crapload of fights, pardon me. But I'm currently in my teens. Been in three fights, all at my one year in public school--(on a side note, I was in school for months with no fights, after I got glasses I was in 3 fights in two weeks--thank god for contacts!). One of the fights I lost, because it involved a knife. The other two--hell, they got the crap beaten out of them by this skinny 14-year-old. I've also spoken to my instructors, all of whom are veterans of many fights. One in particular grew up in the slums, and said most fights he got in were one on one. In fights like these, a person with martial arts will be the victor a good majority of the time--all the time if unarmed, and they'll have a decent chance even if the guy has a knife or gun.

Forgive me for wandering, my brain is quite active and I have terrible difficulty summing myself up.

It's been my experince that the individule with training/knowledge/experince will usually come out on top of a physical altercation vs the unskilled (even with a weapon, other then a gun) assailent.
Knowing how to protect yourself certainly gives you an edge in most situations you may encounter.

Pipboy101 wrote:The comment is for those idiots that might know how to kill some one with the pinky to keep it to themselves when they are out in public or dealing with a large group of people. You spar off one on one in your training but a normal fight in a bar ends up being one idiot that thinks he can fight being bum rushed by six of the other guy's buddies.

So keep it to yourself people.

A tank is a deadly weapon of war, but against ten thousand people with pitchforks the tank will always lose. It is the same with martial arts.

It boggels the mind to think that you actually have survived so long. So in every fight you have been I assume you have wiped out a gun, or have been rushed by a mob of hanger ons? And for the bar fight argument.... If you did not know people who are drunk/ semi drunk are actually less capable than a sane individual that has trained Martial Arts. So I have to disagree with you on that one.

Well, for my age I have a lot of experiance in martial arts. I started Isshin-ryu, which is an Okanawian karate, when I was 5, and still train in it. That's 9yrs for me. And on the side I've been taking Shorin-ryu for a year, also Okanawian. One is close range fighting, while the other is longer range fighting. I also have taken 2yrs of Bo fighting, and a almost a year of knife fighting. So ya, I'm pretty kick-ass, but I never walk around going "I'm a black belt, wanna fight?". I've been in a few fights, one was actually fun. I was walking home from school through our nature center thing and a group of 5 or 6 kids came up and started pushing me around and gak, which I don't really care for but I'm not going to fight about it. But when one kid punches me in the stomach and calls me another word for a domestic cat, I get really fething mad. So I pick up a stick laying next to me that was 5-6 feet long and beat the gak out of the kids. It was fun.

A couple of years of European sword fighting. I love the longsword, good reach, and nice mix of offense and defense. Also quaterstaffs are pretty fun too.

I want to learn savate but I have not had any luck finding a place that teaches it.

I have been in many fights in my law enforcement career and winning is knowing when you are in a good position to win or not. If you are not in the posistion to win I went to the 1 + 1 idea which is what most agencies do. 1 + 1 is when a guy balls his fists or goes into a fighting stance I pull pepper spray, baton or tazer. They have a weapon out comes the pistol. It is about knowing how to control the situation.

So, I am not bashing martial arts since it is great exsercise and gives a person excellent foundation and discipline. What I am saying is that there is a group of people that take martial arts that have a power trip because over the knowledge they have gained and want to show off. Normally these people are the ones that pick fights in bars and clubs and then wonder why they got their ass beat into oblivian by the bar, then the bouncer and then still havn't learned by the time people like myself have been called to the situation.

Well, I guess I have a different point of view since I have delt with a section of the population that most of you have not where I seen all types in the worst way.

Now in my personal life, I have never lost a fight to include against people that are black belts because I know the best fight is one that you don't fight because there is no winner. But when I have had to fight I just know what to look for and get out of the way, wait for them to overextend themselves then with a simple application of physics down they go. I've had some martial arts training in Korea but I took it so I knew how to defend myself while on the road as a cop and to be able to control a situation with the minimum amount of force as possible.

@ Lord of Kaith
I worked a case where a pair of idoits that got picked on at school went to martial arts classes for a year. Those two thought that they were Chuck Norris incarnate and decided to take on the bullies. So then went to the bullies neighborhood and picked a fight they were winning one on one but it stayed like for about twenty seconds when half about twenty five of their family and friend came out and curb stomped those two kids almost to death. If these kids did not go looking for a fight one would not be in a wheelchair now and the other spending $200,000 on fixing his face. We could not charge but the two kids because they started the fight and did engaged the people that came to rescue the other two kids which was confirmed by an elderly couple across the street.

So, what I am trying to say is that I hate the dumbasses that think that they are bad ass because they know martial arts and decided that they want to show off by picking fights in public. So my phrase "keep to yourself" is the same that people that have conceal and carry permits. Because you have a gun does not give your the right to wave around in public.

Fateweaver wrote:Taurus Judge chambered with .45 long Colt @ home, .410 for CnC.

Remington 10ga.

Until you close to within grappling range you are outmatched. From 2-3 yards away I'll cut you in half with the Remington and even if you survive you sure as gak won't feel like kicking me or punching me. Your hands would be busy holding your intestines in place.

.45 not as messy though so cleaning up blood would be easier. It'd pool more and not splatter as much.

So yeah.

What do you do when someone punches you in the face in a bar?


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Golden Eyed Scout wrote:

Fateweaver wrote:Taurus Judge chambered with .45 long Colt @ home, .410 for CnC.

Remington 10ga.
Until you close to within grappling range you are outmatched. From 2-3 yards away I'll cut you in half with the Remington and even if you survive you sure as gak won't feel like kicking me or punching me. Your hands would be busy holding your intestines in place.
.45 not as messy though so cleaning up blood would be easier. It'd pool more and not splatter as much.
So yeah.

.22 Long rifle, 4x Scope. You're dead before you even think somethings happening, and I'm gone before your body hits the pavement.

Granted, I need to make a kill shot with the first round, but I'm pretty confident in my abilities.

What do you do when someone punches you in the face in a bar?

ShumaGorath wrote:

Fateweaver wrote:Taurus Judge chambered with .45 long Colt @ home, .410 for CnC.

Remington 10ga.

Until you close to within grappling range you are outmatched. From 2-3 yards away I'll cut you in half with the Remington and even if you survive you sure as gak won't feel like kicking me or punching me. Your hands would be busy holding your intestines in place.

.45 not as messy though so cleaning up blood would be easier. It'd pool more and not splatter as much.

So yeah.

What do you do when someone punches you in the face in a bar?


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Golden Eyed Scout wrote:

Fateweaver wrote:Taurus Judge chambered with .45 long Colt @ home, .410 for CnC.

Remington 10ga.
Until you close to within grappling range you are outmatched. From 2-3 yards away I'll cut you in half with the Remington and even if you survive you sure as gak won't feel like kicking me or punching me. Your hands would be busy holding your intestines in place.
.45 not as messy though so cleaning up blood would be easier. It'd pool more and not splatter as much.
So yeah.

.22 Long rifle, 4x Scope. You're dead before you even think somethings happening, and I'm gone before your body hits the pavement.

Granted, I need to make a kill shot with the first round, but I'm pretty confident in my abilities.

What do you do when someone punches you in the face in a bar?

Wait,I know this one...the answers are...punch them back,hit them in the face with a beer bottle/pool cue.grab them by the throat and apply preasure and knock assailent to ground and apply Doctor Marten dental work.

Wait,I know this one...the answers are...punch them back,hit them in the face with a beer bottle/pool cue.grab them by the throat and apply preasure and knock assailent to ground and apply Doctor Marten dental work.

Yes, but when you think that a hunting rifle is your answer to the question of a martial art I wonder if you know that.

ShumaGorath wrote:

Wait,I know this one...the answers are...punch them back,hit them in the face with a beer bottle/pool cue.grab them by the throat and apply preasure and knock assailent to ground and apply Doctor Marten dental work.

Yes, but when you think that a hunting rifle is your answer to the question of a martial art I wonder if you know that.

Did Bruce Lee even own a hunting rifle?....I'm going to go watch Enter the Dragon again.

I know a martial art that I can use to kill a person in .28 seconds, but the CIA won't let me tell you the name of it.

ShumaGorath wrote:

Wait,I know this one...the answers are...punch them back,hit them in the face with a beer bottle/pool cue.grab them by the throat and apply preasure and knock assailent to ground and apply Doctor Marten dental work.

Yes, but when you think that a hunting rifle is your answer to the question of a martial art I wonder if you know that.

Never had a guy punch me in the face in the bar. I don't go running my mouth at bars so never had a reason to get punched.

Had women slap me but I admit I did deserve that.

Frazzled wrote:

Fateweaver wrote:Tis great if you don't ever plan to break into my home or anticipate me coming.

We want to get technical I have a scoped .308 as well but it's not my home defense gun of choice...to large and unwieldy.

Yeah, better get a kill shot with a .22, which won't be easy.

Martial arts are excellent for exercise.

.308? Wuss. Rocket Propelled Chainsaw FTW!

Always the Texans going bigger and badder

They need bigger guns to compensate for smaller......"guns".

LOL.

Ok I give you the Lone Star pattern Rocket Propelled Chainsaw Launcher.

Orkeosaurus wrote:I know a martial art that I can use to kill a person in .28 seconds, but the CIA won't let me tell you the name of it.

Punching someone's throat?
Hitting someone in the C1 area?
Upward punch / kick / knee into the xiphoid , followed by direct hit into the same area?

Im so evil...

Even more deadly.

Sorry I have to do it:

Kung-Fu Fighting

LunaHound wrote:

Orkeosaurus wrote:I know a martial art that I can use to kill a person in .28 seconds, but the CIA won't let me tell you the name of it.

Punching someone's throat?
Hitting someone in the C1 area?
Upward punch / kick / knee into the xiphoid , followed by direct hit into the same area?

Im so evil...

Are you tall enough to knee someone there? That usually requires comparative or better height and for the other person to be bending over (hence why it's great after a headlock). Also it's going to be incredibly tough to kick someone center mass like that if they know they are in a fight with you, leaving you in a very precarious position if you fail. The punch could work, but only if you can deliver a solid uppercut to the area or have a really good straight punch. Throat punches are also incredibly difficult to pull when the other guy is aware that you want to punch him somewhere. In fact, how are you punching someone in the back of the neck... Wait a minute, you're just hitting people when they aren't expecting it!

ShumaGorath wrote:In fact, how are you punching someone in the back of the neck... Wait a minute, you're just hitting people when they aren't expecting it!

Exactly the point!

a LLAP-GOCH master wrote:WHAT is LLAP-GOCH again?
It is an ANCIENT Welsh ART based on a BRILLIANTLY simple I-D-E-A, which is a SECRET. The best form of DEFENCE is ATTACK (Clausewitz) and the most VITAL element of ATTACK is SURPRISE (Oscar HAMMERstein). Therefore, the BEST way to protect yourself AGAINST any ASSAILANT is to ATTACK him before he attacks YOU... Or BETTER... BEFORE the THOUGHT of doing so has EVEN OCCURRED TO HIM!!! SO YOU MAY BE ABLE TO RENDER YOUR ASSAILANT UNCONSCIOUS BEFORE he is EVEN aware of your very existence!

ShumaGorath wrote:

LunaHound wrote:

Orkeosaurus wrote:I know a martial art that I can use to kill a person in .28 seconds, but the CIA won't let me tell you the name of it.

Punching someone's throat?
Hitting someone in the C1 area?
Upward punch / kick / knee into the xiphoid , followed by direct hit into the same area?

Im so evil...

Are you tall enough to knee someone there? That usually requires comparative or better height and for the other person to be bending over (hence why it's great after a headlock). Also it's going to be incredibly tough to kick someone center mass like that if they know they are in a fight with you, leaving you in a very precarious position if you fail. The punch could work, but only if you can deliver a solid uppercut to the area or have a really good straight punch. Throat punches are also incredibly difficult to pull when the other guy is aware that you want to punch him somewhere. In fact, how are you punching someone in the back of the neck... Wait a minute, you're just hitting people when they aren't expecting it!

Thats the beauty of wanting to really hurt someone , suddenly all the inhibited nono places we shouldnt hit are all available.
Want to block the center? thats fine lol enjoy getting kicked in the Ulnar nerve in your elbow.
Blocking too high? enjoy having a heel kick down your ililac crest.

Orkeosaurus wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:In fact, how are you punching someone in the back of the neck... Wait a minute, you're just hitting people when they aren't expecting it!

Exactly the point!

a LLAP-GOCH master wrote:WHAT is LLAP-GOCH again?
It is an ANCIENT Welsh ART based on a BRILLIANTLY simple I-D-E-A, which is a SECRET. The best form of DEFENCE is ATTACK (Clausewitz) and the most VITAL element of ATTACK is SURPRISE (Oscar HAMMERstein). Therefore, the BEST way to protect yourself AGAINST any ASSAILANT is to ATTACK him before he attacks YOU... Or BETTER... BEFORE the THOUGHT of doing so has EVEN OCCURRED TO HIM!!! SO YOU MAY BE ABLE TO RENDER YOUR ASSAILANT UNCONSCIOUS BEFORE he is EVEN aware of your very existence!

Its not that hard , its not a direct punch to the c1 no. It starts with either a elbow lock or shoulder lock , im actually left handed.
And most people are right handed which makes it easier for me while confusing right handed pp to death.

After you do the elbow / shoulder / arm lock which ever is fine you'll most of the time be behind them.
Then you can elbow their c1. Though thats excessive and really no point unless you want to permanently harm / kill the person.
When you are behind , the better choice would be just step down on their calcaneal tendon.

Luna, you can't hurt someone by hitting them in made up body parts.