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Lash of submission, JotWW.

Honersstodnt wrote:all you people saying stormshields are funny... thunderhammer terminators get owned so easily by so many things. swamp them with ork boyz, their dead. hit them with any specialized close combat unit, their dead. the only thing their really good at killing is monstrous creatures, shooty heavy infantry, and multi-wound models that can be instant killed.

want an actually broken unit? the humble chimera is broken. 55 points for an av12 vehicle that can pump out 6 shots, and have 5 people fire from inside it per turn is just outright silly. also, the blood chalice that the blood angels get is downright silly... everything in 6" has FNP and furious charge.

Agreed. The chimera is broken.

Agreed. The chimera is broken.

No the new vehicle damage table is broken

Tervigons and their breeding of Gaunts.

The Monolith.

It ignores FIVE of fifth edition's rules. Partly because it's from a really old codex that needs an update (how does deep striking it work anyways?!), but also because of LIVING METAL, which in 5th makes it nearly impossible to destroy.

Good thing it phases out

(For the record, I don't think the 3+ invulnerable save is 'broken' on terminators, it just changes the type of weapon you need to kill them.)

The Monolith is fine.
Without it, Necrons would even be worse.

Last I checked this was an opinion based thread. I personally don't like dealing with masses of 3+ saves on basic units and the chimera wall where he sets it up so it's very hard to get side armor shots.

I'm sorry if my opinion upsets you guys... Stupid arguments like the ones following my previous post are the reasons I'm not a very active poster.

The point was that there are many, many counters to the chimera wall, and that simply complaining about it without considering the negatives AND how you can, you know, use "tactics" to defeat their tactics is asking for responses.

starbomber109 wrote:The Monolith.

It ignores FIVE of fifth edition's rules. Partly because it's from a really old codex that needs an update (how does deep striking it work anyways?!), but also because of LIVING METAL, which in 5th makes it nearly impossible to destroy.

Good thing it phases out

(For the record, I don't think the 3+ invulnerable save is 'broken' on terminators, it just changes the type of weapon you need to kill them.)

Its no more difficult to destroy it with anything non-melta than it is a landraider. It deepstrikes by teleporting to the surface. Maybe I don't know but what other rules are you thinking of?

the best way to deal with a monolith is to ignore it and concentrate on the rest of the army.get it to phase out and that monolith is gone.

In other words - exactly what you did in 3rd and 4th. The new tougher vehicle rules simply mean that "choice" is even less attractive.

yeah true.

Oh, fzorgle. That's good.

But really, as an IG that depends on cover I HATE the fact that lash can drag me into assault and on a MC with wings no less. Far too long of a range.

Lash is more OP than SS Termies.

Was playing the other day vs. marines and I just kept lashing 10+Vulkan into the corner. No need to even shoot at it.

GMMStudios wrote:Lash is more OP than SS Termies.

Was playing the other day vs. marines and I just kept lashing 10+Vulkan into the corner. No need to even shoot at it.

Why weren't they in a transport :\

Exactly - lash is so easy to counter, by everyone but what - nids and necrons?

kaptaink wrote:

GMMStudios wrote:Lash is more OP than SS Termies.

Was playing the other day vs. marines and I just kept lashing 10+Vulkan into the corner. No need to even shoot at it.

Why weren't they in a transport :\

In fairness, most Lash armies have Obliterators, they could've just had their LR blown up.

Chimeras?

Seriously? All I ever get are rear and side shots on those squishy vehicles. That might be due to my cheesy Drop Pod/Scout Moving/Outflanking Space marines though!

Tantras wrote:

kaptaink wrote:

GMMStudios wrote:Lash is more OP than SS Termies.

Was playing the other day vs. marines and I just kept lashing 10+Vulkan into the corner. No need to even shoot at it.

Why weren't they in a transport :\

In fairness, most Lash armies have Obliterators, they could've just had their LR blown up.

Then where was his Psychic Hood? A competitive list would have one if you're anywhere above 1500 points... Just saying.

MR - exaclty.

Not having any fast movingt units able to get to the rear / side is a failing of the user, not of the chimera.

how did fzorgle get to mean lash?


i don't chimeras themselves are OPed, but i think the wall can be at times. The vehicle itself can be easily destroyed by a great number of things and I don't seem to have much trouble dealing with them or it seems to have people dealing with my own. i do see them as highly useful for their points value but i don't think are overpowered.

i see overpowered at looking at a unit and being like oh *** i will never be able to kill that with anything i have, or just kill everything on the table at once instead of being a particular weapon/unit made for a particular role that lets kill every moving thing and winthe game by turn two role, isn't which i feel is what every non-broken unit is made to do. chimeras have a role, and are not impossible to kill, i would say that aren't even that hard to kill def in city fight where side army can easily be found.




i hope that makes some sort of sense

Nork.


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Volkov wrote:

Psyker Battle Squads neuter Nob Biker Mobs; lower their Leadership, pin them down, pour firepower onto them.

if they take both a warboss and wazdakka, then you need to inflict 8 s8 wounds in a single shooting phase for them to take a Ld check. so with a 3 up cover that's 24 wounds which means 30 hits at BS 3 means 60 s8 shots. No problem. And thats not even to kill them all thats just to force a ld test

This type of math is of course largely meaningless, as it's not really taking you 60 shots to cause a single wound. Each BS3 S8 shot has a 14% chance to inflict a wound, so that wound could come from the first shot for all you know. A single volley from a Manticore is very likely to sneak by at least one kill and then those Nob Bikers need snake eyes to not get pinned.

Psykers + ordnance are a great counter to nob bikers.