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Mistress of minis wrote:Like Luna mentioned, anime is just a medium of communication. Some stories are better told in that medium than others. Although the kid in me would love and updated version of Macross/Robotech done live action CGI style in the hands of someone like JJ Abrams (and minus Minmei).
Agreed, except on Minmei. While I hate her too, she has to be their to show just how much Rick changes throughout the series.
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Fateweaver wrote:True. Though Square really seems to know no limits. I was wowed by FFX and FFX-2 CGI (never did play 11 or 12 but I think those were online so not even sure they had cgi) but FF13 had me hurrying through the zones and boss fights just to see the next cutscene.
I would have probably nerdgasmed in my pants had I been playing it on a HD monitor larger than 20" (my computer monitor is the only HD output device I have).
Sqenix' CG is usually fairly simplistic. It's high detail but low polycount and they don't usually pay much attention to kinimatics or breaking edge particle effects. Theres a reason final fantasy the spirits within looked a dozen times better than final fantasy advent children (despite coming out years earlier), the more direct control the studio itself actually has the worse the cg ends up looking. They employ fantastic artists though so it rarely ends up being an issue visually.
Give Kamiyama(recent Ghost in the shell director) or Arimaki a similar budget to work with as the games companies have and Im sure they could wow us with whats possible
It's possible, but 3d animation is one area where the west has a significant advantage in both training and skill. Its unlikely they would do anything that major western motion pictures haven't already explored.
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I am suprised it took three pages for someone to mention Ghost In The Shell as a defence of anime. It is a masterful apology for the rather lacklustre genre.
One or two other series have their moments, and I did rather like Last Exile, but generally its a load of crud. Still Ghost' is so good it makes it impossible for me to press ther 'Yes' button, though nothing can make me say 'No' to that question when asked.
n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.
It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion.
Ghost In the Shell is a near future cyberpunk setting film and subsequent series.
It is different from most anime for several reasons, semi realistic human imagery, a decent plotline and it never gets 'out of scale'.
Highly recommended.
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Aww, come on. Love Drama can be interesting, at least when when it's given central focus instead of being a tacked on afterthought to shooty-shooty-explosions and the like. Honey & Clover and Emma are two series I really enjoyed.
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Aww, come on. Love Drama can be interesting, at least when when it's given central focus instead of being a tacked on afterthought to shooty-shooty-explosions and the like. Honey & Clover and Emma are two series I really enjoyed.
Depends. Robotech did the Love Triangle thing right, but I didn't really care for it in Naruto (though that was more squarish). I suppose the fact that it's been done in so many has killed it for me.
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Ghost in the Shell, notably the series (Stand Alone Complex & 2nd gig) does alot of character development. Theres several ongoing sort of mini plots that are cosntant but dont distract from the main story. Theres always the hint of a romance between Motoko and Batou, but they always seem to awkwardly avoid it( but theres still a definite love between them).
Im also surprised that no one has mentioned Trigun. Aside from its moments of goofy humor(which they likely used to keep it from turning too dark and scaring kiddies) it was an enjoyable watch with good storyline.
And, the classic Akira. Its animation is getting a bit dated, but its a nice bit of nostalgia for some of us.
Aww, come on. Love Drama can be interesting, at least when when it's given central focus instead of being a tacked on afterthought to shooty-shooty-explosions and the like. Honey & Clover and Emma are two series I really enjoyed.
Depends. Robotech did the Love Triangle thing right, but I didn't really care for it in Naruto (though that was more squarish). I suppose the fact that it's been done in so many has killed it for me.
Eh, I guess. I think it's very different beast when it's done straight up rather than as a small part of a series with an entirely different focus. Apples to Oranges... Oranges from the moon. Then again, maybe I'm just a sucker for Romance/Drama.
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A lot of anime finales are actually really, really epic. Cowboy Bebop and Trigun are both high on the list, and I can think of lots of other series that have incredible endings (to name a few, GetBackers, Full Metal Panic! and Fullmetal Alchemist).
And for shame - only one mention of Miyazaki's films. Castle in the Sky was absolutely epic, and the scene at the end of Kiki's Delivery Service (when Kiki finally regains her powers just in time to save her friend) was very tense. And I know it wasn't a Miyazaki film, but Grave of the Fireflies was a serious tearjerker, with a kind of chilling final line.
Oh, and at the OP (sorry, just wanted to post this one):
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Ghost in the shell tackles the tough question of what truly constitutes life and sentience.
If you like high art Anime then here are some movies for one to check out:
1)Akira
2)Ghost in The Shell
3)Ghost in the Shell 2
4)Jin Roh-The Wolf Brigade (This one is very interesting in how it is set in an alternate time-line to our present as opposed to the future or Japans Fuedal past.)
5)Cowboy Beebop- The Movie
It is hard for some to understand that these movies fall into the same genre as Sailor Moon or Pokemon. You have to explain Chibi vs the stuff geared for higher intellect to peoplr for them to understand.
As far as TV series go:
Star Blazers- Crappy animation but great space opera(A personal favorite).
Tri-gun- Occasional Chibi scenes but both amusing and tackles the concept of self defined moral codes and the need for balance.
Original Robotech- Could be argued that without this series 40K would not be the same game
Just a few recomendations
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Mistress of minis wrote:Im also surprised that no one has mentioned Trigun. Aside from its moments of goofy humor(which they likely used to keep it from turning too dark and scaring kiddies) it was an enjoyable watch with good storyline.
Desert punk is better . IMO of course.
And, the classic Akira. Its animation is getting a bit dated, but its a nice bit of nostalgia for some of us.
It was ahead of it's time, so it has a solid run left in it.
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Spirited Away was a little more kid oriented, but artistically was an achievement I haven't seen since Fantasia.
And GitS did have that one ep with the military tank that gets stolen. While we don't actually see it do that, it's probably capable of leveling the street.
And the puppetmaster could be conceivably refereed to as a would be robot overlord. The exact nature of it's plan was never really revealed. Shirow wanders off into some deeply religious and philosophical territory edging transhumanism in the end of the first manga, which led to a lot of people saying 'HUH?'.
Best IMHO:
1: Record of Lodoss War
2: Gokusen (it's short, weird, and funny)
3: Mononoke-hime
4: Spirited Away (lower on list due to nature of movie)
5: Naussica (non US butchered edition)
6: Ghost in the Shell
7: Slayers (New! Season 4! At last, after 12 years!)
8: Hellsing OVA (the TV series is crap. Caution: think Dracula meets James Bond)
9: Witch Hunter Robin (A must for anyone who plays Inquisition)
10: Black Lagoon (has some rather over the top elements but no robots or love triangles)
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And GitS did have that one ep with the military tank that gets stolen. While we don't actually see it do that, it's probably capable of leveling the street.
Yep, SAC season one, episode 4 I believe. A military 'think tank' that had a ghost implanted and was trying to go home.
Another good series that got cut short was Berserk.
I remember watching Robotech on TV (the old school 80's series). That was truly enjoyable stuff.
--The whole concept of government granted and government regulated 'permits' and the accompanying government mandate for government approved firearms 'training' prior to being blessed by government with the privilege to carry arms in a government approved and regulated manner, flies directly in the face of the fundamental right to keep and bear arms.
“The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government.”
Odd. A friend of mine picked up the entire series on DVD from Ebay. I'm going to sucker him into letting me borrow it to watch.
--The whole concept of government granted and government regulated 'permits' and the accompanying government mandate for government approved firearms 'training' prior to being blessed by government with the privilege to carry arms in a government approved and regulated manner, flies directly in the face of the fundamental right to keep and bear arms.
“The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government.”
Mistress of minis wrote:Like watching Voltron at any age....
Also, I'm surprised no one else has mentioned the original Gundam, Zeta, ZZ, and War in the Pocket.
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Just to those who were moaning about the women in FMA:-
Have you actually seen Major General Armstrong? You know, the woman who physically beats the crap out of her muscular brother, then drags him back for more? Or Izumi Curtis, who smacks so many characters around, it's ridiculous? I swear, regardless of sexism being prevalent in anime or not, there isn't much in FMA.
I used to be more open minded about anime but after seeing enough to make a decision about it I came to the conclusion that the overwhelming majority of it is simply awful. I can even give a few reasons for my opinion: (note that while not all anime posses these traits most posses one or more)
1. The charachters do not behave realistically: they go from slaughtering people/monsters to going hysterical over candy or ramen. It would be like watching john mcclain gun down six bad guys in Die Hard then throwing a tantrum and crying when he finds out his ex changed her name back. 2.too predictable. you know how the hero is going to win it's just a matter of time before they go "super saiyan" or unleash their inner demon or form voltron. obviously this applies mostly to the shounen(?) ones but I've seen it elsewhere as well. 3.admittedly this one is strictly my opinion but they depart too much from reality. I understand the concept of suspension of disbelief but they will ignore gravity for no reason other than they are in the middle of a fight and they think it looks cool or cut a airship in half with sword. or they will drastically change the direction of the story when they have several episodes of a series where everything seems more or less ordinary and then something happens and you can't help wondering if you're even watching the same show.Akira was a prime example of this with the giant blob at the end I couldn't figure out why people liked that show so much.
Other reasons include nonsensical premises, poor translation and/or voice acting, and kiddie heroes in an adult world.
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Ketara wrote:Just to those who were moaning about the women in FMA:-
Have you actually seen Major General Armstrong? You know, the woman who physically beats the crap out of her muscular brother, then drags him back for more? Or Izumi Curtis, who smacks so many characters around, it's ridiculous? I swear, regardless of sexism being prevalent in anime or not, there isn't much in FMA.
Not all the women in anime are the 'jiggling mammary whiny please let them die already' variety.
Motoko Kusanagi (Ghost in the Shell)
Faye Valentine (Comboy Bebop)
Miriya Sterling (Robotech)
Nausicca (of the valley of the wind)
Deunan (Appleseed)
Theres bunches more I cant think of off the top of my head.
Ketara wrote:Just to those who were moaning about the women in FMA:-
Have you actually seen Major General Armstrong? You know, the woman who physically beats the crap out of her muscular brother, then drags him back for more? Or Izumi Curtis, who smacks so many characters around, it's ridiculous? I swear, regardless of sexism being prevalent in anime or not, there isn't much in FMA.
Major General Armstrongs sister only shows up one time in the older FMA. Curtis never really is developed either. Lust and Sloth were pretty cool, though Hawkeye was my favorite girl in that series. My favorite character definately had to have been Greed though. He was just awesome. I think the only character I hated was Tucker, but your kinda supposed to hate him.
@Mistress of Minis: Yeah I'm kinda surprised I didn't mention Vash either. Legato was awesome, so was Wolfward. What I didn't understand was if Knives hated humans and had THAT kind of firepower, why didn't he just go on a killing spree?
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Just saw Boondocks season three episode "The Red Ball" last night.
Really really Americanized anime. If your the kind of person to run away from corrupted forms of American-Japanese influenced animation (or where the people who draw the cartoons are), then there is something to hate in that too.
I personally laughed at that more than I did Adult Swim's episode of Family Guy they had on last night.
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Ketara wrote:Just to those who were moaning about the women in FMA:-
Have you actually seen Major General Armstrong? You know, the woman who physically beats the crap out of her muscular brother, then drags him back for more? Or Izumi Curtis, who smacks so many characters around, it's ridiculous? I swear, regardless of sexism being prevalent in anime or not, there isn't much in FMA.
Major General Armstrongs sister only shows up one time in the older FMA. Curtis never really is developed either. Lust and Sloth were pretty cool, though Hawkeye was my favorite girl in that series. My favorite character definately had to have been Greed though. He was just awesome. I think the only character I hated was Tucker, but your kinda supposed to hate him.
@Mistress of Minis: Yeah I'm kinda surprised I didn't mention Vash either. Legato was awesome, so was Wolfward. What I didn't understand was if Knives hated humans and had THAT kind of firepower, why didn't he just go on a killing spree?
This way of posting has been passed down the Armstrong Line for GENERATIONS!
Something tells me you've only seen the original series of FMA....
Basically, roundabouts where Greed and his crew get done in, the original manga, and the original anime diverged, because the anime had caught up to the manga. That was why it ended so badly, and the plot just tailed off. However, the manga has a completely different storyline that's about five times better. About six months ago, they started redoing the anime to follow the manga storyline. It's called Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood.
In the proper storyline, Izumi gets a much larger role. Not only that, they introduce another of Armstrongs sisters, Major General Armstrong. She's deadly in a fight, cold, and ruthless. Think Ice Queen style. She also challenges Armstrong to a fight to inherit their fathers mansion, and actually physically beats the crap out of him and wins.
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