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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/07/11 21:48:01
Subject: Hint at the Possible New Army in the New WHFB Book?
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Fixture of Dakka
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One of the special rules in the new book is "Sea Creatures" which enables a monster with this rule to move through water features with no movement penalty.
There are of course currently NO Warhammer units with this rule.
...unless it's supposed to be a variation of "Aquatic"
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/07/11 22:36:55
Subject: Hint at the Possible New Army in the New WHFB Book?
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Noble of the Alter Kindred
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What if it's freshwater?
Most sea creatures need salinated water don't they?
Then again, they usually stay in the sea.
And will there be perilous aquatic terrain rules?
Like it fries fish folk or some such
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/07/11 23:13:06
Subject: Hint at the Possible New Army in the New WHFB Book?
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Fixture of Dakka
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Got the book in front of me now, to quote...
"Sea Creatures can move within any area of water on the battlefield, including rivers and even deep water that players have deemed impassable to other models, as if it were open ground. However, when out of the water they cannot march".
This really does not apply to any existing Warhammer unit. The Lizardmen's Aquatic rule doesn't prohibit them from marching on dry land.
I also draw attention to an event on the timeline as seen on page 176...
"A Dark Elf corsair fleet is dragged beneath the waves by an onslaught of submerisble craft that appear to be half ship and half kraken. Only one of the Druchii corsairs survives, and his tales of needle-fanged warriors from the depths are dismissed as madness"
It is clear that the designers acknowledge the existence of some form of aquatic race in the Warhammer World and might well be paving the way for it with the Sea Creatures rule, but at the end of the day, it's taken GW over a decade to release a Dark Eldar Codex, so Warhammer Armies: Aquatic Race will probably never happen.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/07/12 02:54:23
Subject: Hint at the Possible New Army in the New WHFB Book?
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Flashman wrote: it's taken GW over a decade to release a Space Wolves Codex, so Warhammer Armies: Atlanteans will probably happen when GW finally gets around to them.
FYP.
Factcheck: Space Wolves waited the longest between updates. DE got a V2 Codex less than a decade ago.
Some flavor of Fishmen / Fimir wouldn't be the worst thing to enter the WFB universe.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/07/12 03:06:08
Subject: Hint at the Possible New Army in the New WHFB Book?
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Noble of the Alter Kindred
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The flavour would presumably be of fish?
What do you reckon would be worst John, please?
I find the fishmen a bit silly tbh.
I know there is another system which has them and that seems fine. But it feels that they are being shoehorned into the Warhammer world.
I can see the advantages for GW inasmuch as there won't be any conflict of territory with existing races. and can legitimately pop up anywhere to fight other armies a la Skaven.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/07/12 03:09:28
Subject: Hint at the Possible New Army in the New WHFB Book?
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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Fishmen could work quite well. Look at Forgotten Realm's "Yuan-Ti" for a semi-aquatic race that's ridiculously uncommon, yet has their hands in all kinds of pies.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/07/12 03:16:55
Subject: Hint at the Possible New Army in the New WHFB Book?
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Noble of the Alter Kindred
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Stargazy Pies mostly
sorry couldn't resist
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/07/12 03:58:54
Subject: Hint at the Possible New Army in the New WHFB Book?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:The flavour would presumably be of fish?
What do you reckon would be worst John, please?
But it feels that they are being shoehorned into the Warhammer world.
Well, it can't be Lizards, because that's already been done.  Just as GW has wet & dry Undead, and mortal & Daemonic Chaos, shooty & cav humans, along with big & small furries, 3 flavors of Elves, surely a 2nd set of cold-blooded couldn't hurt.
Recycling the Dwarf trope with giant hats and Assyrian beards would be pretty stupid, but thankfully, that's not a concern. What would really jump the shark? A sci-fi robotic "ooze" nanobot-based army.
Nah. *Ogres* were shoehorned. Atlanteans would be very natural.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/07/12 04:45:24
Subject: Hint at the Possible New Army in the New WHFB Book?
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Veteran Wolf Guard Squad Leader
In the chaotic wastes also known as Canada
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What about an elemental race?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/07/12 09:33:36
Subject: Hint at the Possible New Army in the New WHFB Book?
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Hacking Shang Jí
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Flashman wrote:One of the special rules in the new book is "Sea Creatures" which enables a monster with this rule to move through water features with no movement penalty.
There are of course currently NO Warhammer units with this rule.
I noticed that too. You think GW saw how excited people got about that other company's weresharks and lobster cavalry and decided to grab a piece of the pie?
I could live with fish-people if the minis are good.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/07/12 10:14:39
Subject: Hint at the Possible New Army in the New WHFB Book?
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I would be very happy to see a fishmen army.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/07/12 12:15:17
Subject: Re:Hint at the Possible New Army in the New WHFB Book?
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Noble of the Alter Kindred
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You think GW saw how excited people got about that other company's weresharks and lobster cavalry and decided to grab a piece of the pie?
Who will then copyright all amphibian people terminologies and put the other guys out of business
Actually it could be the repressed memories of weresharks and lobster cavalry that is making me nervous about the idea of Piscians.
Apologies to those that find them cool but they just seem silly
Guess that giant eel type creatures could be interesting but not hordes of guppies
Oh lordie, there's the possibility of schoolboys yelling, "I've got crabs!" every 5 minutes in the GW store!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/07/12 13:03:27
Subject: Hint at the Possible New Army in the New WHFB Book?
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As far as a new army goes, I've not seen anything more in the book than would usually be suggested. A leap of faith might siggest Stromfel (sp?) from the Gotrek and Felix audiobook leading to a sea cultist army of pirates but this would seem unlikely. My first thought with the Sea Creature rule was giving River Trolls a tactical advantage with bodies of water, a bit like the Strider rules but for lakes / ponds / large rivers. This could be more important in Legendary games on huge themed boards. Alternatively if a bridge over a deep river was the focus of a game then having a unit that could outflank this could be fun.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/07/12 17:26:40
Subject: Hint at the Possible New Army in the New WHFB Book?
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Noble of the Alter Kindred
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If there is going to be an aquatic race they will be able to have units of Pikemen!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/07/12 18:05:19
Subject: Hint at the Possible New Army in the New WHFB Book?
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Albatross wrote:Fayric wrote:You have to ask yourself: what poular trend is not part of GWs range?
Well Araby might be a choise. Dont know much about it in the GW world, but middleeastern stuff would probably make an interresting addition to their range if it was not already an Araby army once. Sort of a mix of "the thief of bagdad" and the kind of explosive expansion the arabs had during the first hundred years of Islam. Perhaps even use a central Prophet to lead a new take on Araby.
Edit: Not sure if this is a "popular trend", but I hope you see the crocked path my mind has rambled here.
Edit". Also GW seem to have alot of fun with the "easterners" haradrim or whatever in the lord of the rings range.
I think the problem with that is that it could be risky to do an army like that. There's too much potential in the exaggerated world Warhammer inhabits to start getting into racial stereotypes. It's a tightrope. If it's the French (Bretonnians) or the Germans (Empire) it's not too bad, but I doubt GW fancies gently poking fun at, or exaggerating, the Indian subcontinent or the Middle East, not these days. Flying carpets? Genies? Nah, I don't think it would be a clever idea.
I seem to remember a series of Pygmy Warrior miniatures GW used to make. Wow, they really were politically incorrect back in the old days, weren't they?
Now, what I WOULD like to see would be Warhammer Armies: Albion. I can see them as a kind of Pre-Roman British celtic/barbarian army, with plenty of skirmishers and chariots. Also Druids, The Green Man, Witches, stone circles, dark forests and Faeries (but not 'nice' ones...). That would be VERY cool.
To be fair, The Empire and the Bretons mirror medieval militaries of the time. If they did make a new Cathay or Arabian style army it would be in the same manner, nothing culturally insensitive about it. I can't see anything remotely offensive or suspect in the two armies that do exist - so why would GW suddenly become prejudiced when it comes to a new style army?
I'm fairly sure the issue would be over-sensitive people, rather than any problems with the models and how they depict a group. Automatically Appended Next Post: In fact I'm pretty sure no issues like that would arise. But I'm fairly sure their won't be any new armies either.
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Back in the day, we were epic Space Vikings with horns, and beer, and stupid mockney accents, and we didn't have any truck with this flying around like a pansy shizzle. We certainly didn't surround ourselves with mangy animals.
Now we're basically the Bestiality Chapter.
We also now ride chariots and employ daemonic dreadnoughts...also, we fly and teleport with abandon. With wolves. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/07/12 18:35:27
Subject: Hint at the Possible New Army in the New WHFB Book?
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Fixture of Dakka
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JOHIRA wrote:
I'd love to see a Cathay army, but I want it to be pure Cathay and I want GW to do their research. I want it to be an original creation that fits into the Warhammer world but clearly echoes real Chinese history. I do not want to see kung-fu guys in silk pajamas and hobgoblins with enormous moustaches. I'd be okay with a Nipponese army too, but frankly I start to get iffy on the subject when I start to imagine what the fans would do with it. Because eventually someone would make a Naruto army. And then next thing you know I'd be in front of a judge trying to explain why the homicide wasn't just justified, it was necessary.
Oh god, the next thing you'll want is Hollywood to actually cast Japanese actors instead of Chinese (Sayuri I'm looking at you).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/07/12 19:06:29
Subject: Hint at the Possible New Army in the New WHFB Book?
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JOHIRA wrote:Vlad Von Carstien wrote:I agree if anything I am sure that it would sell in japan.
I'm skeptical. Everyone said the same thing about Tau and they don't sell particularly well here.
The chief problem I see is that westerner Warhammer fans seem to have trouble telling the difference between Cathay and Nippon, and keep wanting to lump them in as one and the same. And they aren't. And I can see Japanese and Chinese players getting quite insulted if they see thousands of years of their country's culture getting squished into their main local rival's just because westerners can't really tell the difference. It would be a bit like if some Japanese miniature company made a "white people" army composed of Empire Longswordsmen, Brettonian Knight formations, Roman legionaires, and Gaulish light chariots. And then said, "well, we want to sell well in White People-land, so white people will buy these models because they're white people!"
I'd love to see a Cathay army, but I want it to be pure Cathay and I want GW to do their research. I want it to be an original creation that fits into the Warhammer world but clearly echoes real Chinese history. I do not want to see kung-fu guys in silk pajamas and hobgoblins with enormous moustaches. I'd be okay with a Nipponese army too, but frankly I start to get iffy on the subject when I start to imagine what the fans would do with it. Because eventually someone would make a Naruto army. And then next thing you know I'd be in front of a judge trying to explain why the homicide wasn't just justified, it was necessary.
But what I'd most rather see is GW just focus on getting their existing armies done properly. I could support adding another army if their sculptors weren't tied to armies as projects and could just sculpt whatever they wanted whenever the inspiration struck. But GW doesn't release like that- they've got one chance to make an army work and then players are stuck with that for like what, 7 years? And as a current beastman player, I know quite well what we can get stuck with.  No, GW, please, take things slow, do your minis right, and then if you have time before next edition, you can start thinking about a new army.
A lot of my fellow westerners are either unfamiliar with or forgetful of the fact that there is a lot of bad blood between Asian nations/ethnic groups. Japanese armies would have a hard time selling in China, Chinese armies would have a hard time selling in Japan, and some bastardized mix of ancient China and Japan into 1 army would be about as offensive to Asians as a bastardized mix of US army, Israeli special forces, and Nazi Germany would be to western culture. It's bad business pure and simple.
The 1 thing that might work is keeping the core rules for Empire and Bretonia and using those for Cathay (Chinese) and Nippon (Japanese), and releasing GW's own converted models for a Cathay style empire army and a Nippon style Bretonia army. If they caught on overseas GW could eventually make their own books, if not they could abandon the armies like they were chaos dwarves. Ow the sweet delicious tears of chaos dwarf players...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/07/12 19:44:47
Subject: Hint at the Possible New Army in the New WHFB Book?
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Skink Chief with Poisoned Javelins
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Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:If there is going to be an aquatic race they will be able to have units of Pikemen! 
don't you mean Tridents?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/07/12 19:51:53
Subject: Hint at the Possible New Army in the New WHFB Book?
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Noble of the Alter Kindred
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Nah
Well I hope there won't be any nukes in WHFB!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/07/12 21:46:51
Subject: Hint at the Possible New Army in the New WHFB Book?
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Servoarm Flailing Magos
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FacelessMage wrote:Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:If there is going to be an aquatic race they will be able to have units of Pikemen! 
don't you mean Tridents?
I assumed the joke was tat they'd be Pike-Men Pikemen. As in the fish, which are apparently freshwater dwellers...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/07/13 00:54:38
Subject: Hint at the Possible New Army in the New WHFB Book?
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Bloodwin wrote:As far as a new army goes, I've not seen anything more in the book than would usually be suggested.
Before the new rulebook ever came out, there was a white dwarf article (2009) that spoke of the upcoming 8th, and in that interview it was mentioned that fantasy is moving eastwards (also in wd when ogres came out it was said WHFB is expanding east), and there will be a new army in q4 2011/ q1 2012. It will be non asiatic in appearence, nonhuman, and something (in the line of miniatures) that has never been done before. Cathay and Nippon have been done, and are human, and are asiatic, and are a no go. Then a few months ago there were some GW web video interviews and a brief mention of a new race yet again....The rulebook then (on page 160ish) hits on the point once more. Back in 2008 at GD they had several sketches on the overhead, and there were swamp like/fish like designs.....As far as Chaos Dwarves, that is a seperate issue & it has been stated they are coming back in the next few years.....
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/07/13 01:45:52
Subject: Hint at the Possible New Army in the New WHFB Book?
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Veteran Wolf Guard Squad Leader
In the chaotic wastes also known as Canada
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Well in dwarf fluff the chaos dwarfs live east of the mountains of morn (or something)....
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/07/13 09:05:55
Subject: Hint at the Possible New Army in the New WHFB Book?
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"Sea Creatures can move within any area of water on the battlefield, including rivers and even deep water that players have deemed impassable to other models, as if it were open ground. However, when out of the water they cannot march".
Just occurred to me that this, along with the pic of ships...wait I don't have the book at work...its the page with the flotilla launching onto the beach...could imply a incorporation of Man'O'War...so whilst there might not be a new race could be a new product line of true scale ships for each race...
Just a thought...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/07/13 10:13:50
Subject: Hint at the Possible New Army in the New WHFB Book?
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Hacking Shang Jí
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schadenfreude wrote:A lot of my fellow westerners are either unfamiliar with or forgetful of the fact that there is a lot of bad blood between Asian nations/ethnic groups. Japanese armies would have a hard time selling in China, Chinese armies would have a hard time selling in Japan, and some bastardized mix of ancient China and Japan into 1 army would be about as offensive to Asians as a bastardized mix of US army, Israeli special forces, and Nazi Germany would be to western culture. It's bad business pure and simple.
From the Japan POV, I'm not sure what people would think. On one hand, those Romance of the 3 Kingdoms games are huge. OTOH, the first model shop I ever went to here had kamikaze pilot busts for sale displayed prominently. My guess is that GW's demographic here are not raging Sinophobes, but that a Cathayan army would not sell particularly better than any other fantasy army. I don't think that GW mixing Chinese and Japanese tropes in a single army wouldn't so much offend as it would just seem silly. And not sell, because it's silly.
The more I think about it, the better of an idea Fishmen seems to be. If for no other reason than that it means someone at GW might start thinking about naval battles, and that might lead someone at forgeworld to make an extremely detailed High Elf ship model with complete rigging and so on, and that might lead to me to complete Nerdvana. Automatically Appended Next Post: agnosto wrote:Oh god, the next thing you'll want is Hollywood to actually cast Japanese actors instead of Chinese (Sayuri I'm looking at you).

You under-estimate my esteem for Zhang Ziyi.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/07/13 10:44:13
Subject: Hint at the Possible New Army in the New WHFB Book?
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JOHIRA wrote: GW might start thinking about naval battles, and that might lead someone at forgeworld to make an extremely detailed High Elf ship model with complete rigging and so on, and that might lead to me to complete Nerdvana.
GW used to do a Warhammer naval game - Man O'War - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man_O%27_War_%28game%29
It was more to the Warmaster scale though-but that was because it was all metal...so I guess they could make it out of resin and true scale...and open a whole area for waaaaagh.
Going back to topic and following that thread it could be: Norse, Chaos Dwarfs or Saratosa all of whom appeared in that game as well...
...they still have a few Saratosa in the shops...http://www.games-workshop.com/ gws/catalog/armySubUnitCats.jsp?catId=cat1300200&rootCatGameStyle=
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/07/13 11:27:41
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Isn't that a new/different game system rather than a new race?
Naval battles could occur without a new race.
Can't think of a current army that couldn't feasibly have a ship with the exception of Woodies.
DE's are already piratical and HE have ships.
Rats can desert them if they are sinking.
Empire would.
Undead could have ghostships
Chaos, Lizzies and beasties could have them
TK on Thor Heyerdal rafts
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/07/13 11:32:46
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Rampaging Chaos Russ Driver
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Chibi Bodge -Battle is correct!
Was just trying to explain the rule for sea creatures...in MOW you got sea creatures/monsters...so it wouldn't necessarily be a sea based race if you take into account the 'landing' picture...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/07/15 15:29:19
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Great, nasty fish people with semi organic war machines, but why would they rise out of the sea to war agains the land dwellers? Its just GW trying to cash in on the sponge bob square pants stuff. Shame on GW!
Besides, I think the dark elfs has already taken the estethic form of submariner life (sporting those blue-green sea dragon cloaks and even some cthulu/squid based helmet Ive seen on some character. Perhaps that new rule is to include some new beasties for the dark elves.
(and atlantis theme is out of the question, Ulthuan already is the sinking great civilization in the middle of the "atlantic")
However, that story about DE being draged under by a kraken like beast sounds like a hint at tyranid style army; in the Space wolf codex the nids are even called kraken or kraken spawn.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/09 13:50:01
Subject: Re:Hint at the Possible New Army in the New WHFB Book?
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I do apologise for being a necromancer but I got some news, I recently talked (about 10 min ago) with a gw(I know not reliable but keep reading) staff over the phone about the SEA CREATURES RULES all I asked was
"are there any models that use this rule"
all I got as a reply was
"as of yet none"
then I asked
"any models planned"
he said
"Cant tell you" then he said "but keep a watch out, very soon" he gave a nice laugh over the phone and I said goodbye.
say what you will but I think its going too be a sea creature army of sorts - OR - a race is getting and update and getting a few sea creature models (maybe dark elves)
the reason I say its going too be an new army is because it doesn't make sense too release a rule for a single monster unless all armies are getting some kind of sea creature.
maybe an aquatic insect army (which would be very unique, not fish men but sea insects)
non the less keep a big lookout for these SEA CREATURES
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So a Necro with a slight Panfo flavor?
Huh...
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