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sonofruss wrote:That kind of stuff should stop Melissia there was no Grey knight codex before the current one for all you know the inq and the Grey knights are pals and have been from the founding of the order.

If I remeber rightly, Grey Knights first appeared in the late eighties, so that would of been for the original Rogue Trader...

Mick

Cripes I hope GW don't do an Albion Army. Would have to invest in that and that would make the bank manager very angry.

Don't want to upset the bank manager

Mick A wrote:

sonofruss wrote:That kind of stuff should stop Melissia there was no Grey knight codex before the current one for all you know the inq and the Grey knights are pals and have been from the founding of the order.

If I remeber rightly, Grey Knights first appeared in the late eighties, so that would of been for the original Rogue Trader...

Mick

This is what I was talking about daemon hunters was the first codex with them in it as a separate playable force they were add ons in space hulk and additions to your army in 40k.
but this is off topic the topic is possible new armies in warhammer fantasy not 40k.
stay on target stay on target

Fayric wrote:You have to ask yourself: what poular trend is not part of GWs range?
Well Araby might be a choise. Dont know much about it in the GW world, but middleeastern stuff would probably make an interresting addition to their range if it was not already an Araby army once. Sort of a mix of "the thief of bagdad" and the kind of explosive expansion the arabs had during the first hundred years of Islam. Perhaps even use a central Prophet to lead a new take on Araby.

Edit: Not sure if this is a "popular trend", but I hope you see the crocked path my mind has rambled here.

Edit". Also GW seem to have alot of fun with the "easterners" haradrim or whatever in the lord of the rings range.

I highly doubt they'd do that after what happened to Viacom for the South Park episode.

How did a WHFB thread turn into a 40k one?

sonofruss wrote:That kind of stuff should stop Melissia there was no Grey knight codex before the current one for all you know the inq and the Grey knights are pals and have been from the founding of the order.

i was fielding grey knights with my eldar in the first edition... hmmm 5 level 4 psykers 1200 points ... ah those were the days.....

There's also reference to some sort of aquatic race with needle like teeth that carry out raids on Dark Elf vessels. They've been mentioned in the Dark Elf fluff before and I'd like to see them expanded in some way, but not necessarily in an army list.

Death By Monkeys wrote:Here's a pic of the Temple Dog minis from an old White Dwarf:



As far as any new WHFB armies on the horizon? Any new ones that are drastically different than what we've already got? Not in long while. They've got too much work to do bringing all the existing armies up to speed with the new rules. Now, Forge World eventually doing Chaos Dwarfs? That I'd believe (even if I don't imagine it will be soon). I imagine a brand new army for WHFB would be at least 3 years down the line.

This picture has to be a fake. Not because I don't believe they made the mini, but because it has the word "sale" on it.

Albatross wrote:

I seem to remember a series of Pygmy Warrior miniatures GW used to make. Wow, they really were politically incorrect back in the old days, weren't they?
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I have a bunch of these figures actually. They are currently slated to go into my IG Praetorian Guard as conscripts.

Does it mention Dragon Kingdoms like the last one? If so, I'd think that would be a new army that might get some traction.

If GW want to earn more money all they need to do is release Space Marines in Fantasy packaging and release an army book for them. I would like to see some SM scouts beat the #*+~ out of some wood elves and a Dwarf Gyrocopter being chased by a Land Speeder (or shot down by a lascannon).

Obviously they would be in a new colour (I think purple) so that people don't just use the marines they already have.

I'd like to see a Nippon or Cathay army, asian influences are conspicuously missing from the game and the dragon empire is the largest and more powerful human empire on the planet. It deserves representation.

I agree if anything I am sure that it would sell in japan.

It did cross my mind that with the new stores opening in Japan that a Sino-Japanese army might be on the cards.

Fishmen from Atlantis! A Cathay-Ind themed Tibetian like army with magic monks, elephant men, and Yeti.

I could see a Cathay army or a Nippon army doing well (They might have to change the name here as 'Japan' is 'Nippon' in Japanese. Like if the 'Empire' had 'Deutschland' written on the box), but the Araby army would be bad news. Somehow, I think GW knows this. Possibly some sort of Carthaginian themed army from North Araby might work, using classical mythology, but there are already a bunch of 'human' armies.

I thought they were going to bring back Chaos Dwarfs.

I remember when Ogres came out and there was a WD article that stated that WHFB will be heading "eastward" in the future....Recently GW was qouted as saying a new race, non-human, & non-asiatic, and one that has never been done for WHFB is coming out in 2011.....The suggestion is a nid/fish like race.......

spacewolflord wrote:They will most likely not make any more armies for Fantasy simply because what else can they do mechanically to make the army play different then the rest?

M6 S4+ T3 close combat

Vlad Von Carstien wrote:I agree if anything I am sure that it would sell in japan.

I'm skeptical. Everyone said the same thing about Tau and they don't sell particularly well here.



The chief problem I see is that westerner Warhammer fans seem to have trouble telling the difference between Cathay and Nippon, and keep wanting to lump them in as one and the same. And they aren't. And I can see Japanese and Chinese players getting quite insulted if they see thousands of years of their country's culture getting squished into their main local rival's just because westerners can't really tell the difference. It would be a bit like if some Japanese miniature company made a "white people" army composed of Empire Longswordsmen, Brettonian Knight formations, Roman legionaires, and Gaulish light chariots. And then said, "well, we want to sell well in White People-land, so white people will buy these models because they're white people!"

I'd love to see a Cathay army, but I want it to be pure Cathay and I want GW to do their research. I want it to be an original creation that fits into the Warhammer world but clearly echoes real Chinese history. I do not want to see kung-fu guys in silk pajamas and hobgoblins with enormous moustaches. I'd be okay with a Nipponese army too, but frankly I start to get iffy on the subject when I start to imagine what the fans would do with it. Because eventually someone would make a Naruto army. And then next thing you know I'd be in front of a judge trying to explain why the homicide wasn't just justified, it was necessary.

But what I'd most rather see is GW just focus on getting their existing armies done properly. I could support adding another army if their sculptors weren't tied to armies as projects and could just sculpt whatever they wanted whenever the inspiration struck. But GW doesn't release like that- they've got one chance to make an army work and then players are stuck with that for like what, 7 years? And as a current beastman player, I know quite well what we can get stuck with. No, GW, please, take things slow, do your minis right, and then if you have time before next edition, you can start thinking about a new army.

Shotgun wrote:This picture has to be a fake. Not because I don't believe they made the mini, but because it has the word "sale" on it.

Nah. It just means you got into The GW Hobby after 40k4 came out.

Why, back in the day, GW would give you 3 for 2 whenever they opened a store...

AT-43.CO.UK wrote:If GW want to earn more money all they need to do is release Space Marines in Fantasy packaging and release an army book for them. I would like to see some SM scouts beat the #*+~ out of some wood elves and a Dwarf Gyrocopter being chased by a Land Speeder (or shot down by a lascannon).

Obviously they would be in a new colour (I think purple) so that people don't just use the marines they already have.

Lol.
This would turn Fantasy into 40k.

Actually, I don't see any reason an Araby army wouldn't work if GW exercised some common sense. Part of that common sense being absolutely no references to Islam or Mohammed whatsoever. Seriously, they have managed to build an entire continent based on mideaval/rennaissance Europe without a single reference to Christianity, why should Araby be any different? Bonus points if they could make a reference to how superior Arab science is at this stage in the Warhammer world's history, especially math, astronomy, and chemistry. Have a special character who is analagous to the chivalrous Saladin (though stripped of religious connections) and a more evil special character who consorts with chaotic djinni to let players make the army in the spirit they choose. I can see this working extremely well, actually. And if they cleverly made a plastic light infantry unit that could be mixed with IG bits to make a Tallarn army, I think it would be splendid.

Though I'd still prefer GW focus on getting their existing lines done right.

@albatross
They had a campaign setting with albion once. some nice models of giants druids and fen beasts. But I guess it wasnt tecnically an army.
Yes, barbarians is getting popular again, but I dont know how to fit them in the gw world (to make a never before done army). It would be cool with a beastmaster army, barbarians riding wyverns and stuff. But it all looks like a mix of existing armies (now that I added dark elfs to the mix
I still think Araby would be an important thing for the fluff of the Empire, and we all know Fantasy battle is kind of centered around the Empire, fluffwise. And on a deeper level I think it would be a good thing to make use of the advanced culture the arabian world was, and the importance it had to europe during the era that "the old world" represent (if you like to veiew this fantasy world as an echo of our history, that is), a history most europeans chose to ignore. (most of all I think GW is quite good at historical and cultural insights and weave them in to their fantasy world in a sensible way to make both familliarity and escapism. I dont think they are unaware of the impact the Islamic expasion had on europe, and would most likely want to integrate that in their world; which they already have, in the fluff) But I agree that an Araby army would look very much like an empire army considering the rules.

Edit: just realised Johira was on the same subject. @Johira: I fully agree

I think many are missing the point Games Workshop had already said the next fantasy army would not be human, not be asiatic, not be a line they have ever done....

It'll be non human, of that we are sure.....

@spartanlegion:
Sorry, didn know that was a fact.

My guess then is Fimir, even if they did have some models once.
What else? Hideous fish people? (chtulhu theme? YAY!)
Yet another elf army?
Hobbits?
An empire of dragons beyond the worlds edge mountain?
The gnome trade alliance?
Got it! Samurai skaven of nippon! Odd, yet honorable rats of the far east. (no offence meant to our Japanese friends and fellow players, just running wild here)

Edit: Well there have been mention of Hobgobla Khan ruling the eastern steppes (in the current rulebook). Non human non asiatic yet eastern themed. there you have it. Ive only heard of Hobgoblins as part of aother armies before. (what a dissapointment this would be)

This has been mentioned since 2008 and it will be a nid equivalent...an insectsoid or fish like race of some sort.............

I can't find it anywhere,I have torn apart my house looking for it... but all you WHFRP players from back in 1988, I know one of the hardcover books came with a poster sized map, and on one of the edges of the poster by the legend is a fishman, who looks like a monkey with gills and he's holding a spear.. sorry, I must have thrown it out.. hopefully someone has it and could show us.. :(

I played WHFB a long time ago with a High Elf army, can't say I loved the game all that much but it was enjoyable at times. However, if GW did add a Nippon/Cathay (Samurai) style army, that could very well bring me back into a game I gave up on back at the 5th edition.

Nid-Fish? Me likes. I'd drop my Lizardmen for that for sure.

Fayric wrote:Edit: Well there have been mention of Hobgobla Khan ruling the eastern steppes (in the current rulebook). Non human non asiatic yet eastern themed. there you have it. Ive only heard of Hobgoblins as part of aother armies before. (what a dissapointment this would be)

Mongolia is still in asia. Not traditionally thought of as eastern, but still asia. Cool as it'd be, Ogres also kinda fill the role of Mongols, so I donno how likely it is. I'd go absolutely crazy if they released Araby as I love the traditional middle-eastern aesthetic, but chances are it's not gonna happen.

@Johira. Actually, the Empire stuff does have catholic/protestant references, google Jan Huss and the protestant movement, alot of how the empire gun lines and Huss's background is ripped from the Hussites movement in Tabor. Very cool bit of history, Ziska, their military leader, was undefeated in battle, even when blinded! Look up Hussite War Wagon... Mobile castles! Love it!