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2010/11/28 12:13:51
Subject: BARE HEADS ON SPACE MARINES ARE STUPID!!!
Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:40K tooth polishing is so advanced it is able to reflect lasers?
Or they have dental bionics.
Marines in the fluff wear them,I remember that an Iron Snake who fought Dark Eldar Archon only took helmet off because it was too damagaged and in the end that helped him to win(and he was on the brink of losing) because he could spit acid saliva at the Eldar.
Hail to the creeeeeeeeeeeeeeed!baby Ask not the moot a question,for he will give you three answers,all of which will result in a public humiliation.
I do find these threads rather funny, especially in the context of other threads when people complain about Gaunts Ghosts and the night-dudes (or whataever they were called) killing Chaos Space Marines, since pretty much, thread A answers the question to thread B.
2010/11/28 15:19:28
Subject: BARE HEADS ON SPACE MARINES ARE STUPID!!!
Bryce-2-Good87 wrote:The same argument applies to other armies like Tau. If they need the their helmets to see, then why the gak do they take them off?
My Tau don't take their helmets off, because it's stupid.
So, in all of this, no one has considered the fact the fact that the reason the Space Marine leaders take their helmets off is not because they have a tiny shield generator proecting them, but it's to show their troops their fearlessness? It's like the Civil War general riding horseback, leading troops into battle, or the Russian captain charging ahead with only a Tokarev pistol. Come on people, actually use some creativity *and* common sense!
2010/11/28 16:01:22
Subject: Re:BARE HEADS ON SPACE MARINES ARE STUPID!!!
What happened to the BA, if you dont mind me asking?
Kind of funny, this is a 'spoiler' of sorts, don't read if you intend to read Soul Hunter (although it doesn't really give anything significant of the plot away):
Spoiler:
A boarding party of Blood Angels is attacking one of the Night Lord ships. The narrative had switched to the viewpoint of one of the BA, the sergeant. He takes off his helmet so he can smell everything around him and experience things more fully. When they are searching through the ship, they are ambushed by the Night Lords (lead by the books main protagonist) who gets into a big fight with the sergeant. During the fight, Talos (the NL) shoots at almost point blank into the BA - the shot lodges in his neck, and the marine has a fraction of a second to register a look of outrage on his face before the shell explodes and blows his head off It's actually written much better than my paraphrase here, but I felt it was an allusion to the marines folly of taking part in a boarding action (where you can get surprised from any direction, and in a fraction of a second) and not wearing a helmet.
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This was said earlier but it seems to be alot of the high ranking guys that are modeled without their helmets. I would say its psychological. "my face will be the last thing your pathetic eyes ever see" (Arbiter from Halo wars) Not to mention, yes you do lose the protection of the helmet without one (duh). Who cares though? Who wants to live in the 40k universe? Sure its cool from the outside looking in but damn. Life would suck if you actually lived in it.
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2010/12/01 15:12:23
Subject: BARE HEADS ON SPACE MARINES ARE STUPID!!!
I always think its kinda funny when we play games based on ships or hostile environments and buddy puts his helmetless sergeants on the table. Guess he can indefinitely hold his breath eh? oh well, everyones already said how much more flavourful it is than another helmet. to be fair i have seen some nice additions to the helmets like wreaths ect but you know, painting skin and hair takes some skill for sure!
S'all fun and games until some no life troll master debates all over your space manz & ruins it for you
2010/12/01 22:42:52
Subject: BARE HEADS ON SPACE MARINES ARE STUPID!!!
Lolfest5 wrote:so is this still about bare headed space marines or what
Yeah pretty much. What gave you the impression otherwise?
Though this thread seems to have fulfilled it's purpose more or less.
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2010/12/03 01:59:12
Subject: BARE HEADS ON SPACE MARINES ARE STUPID!!!
Lolfest5 wrote:so is this still about bare headed space marines or what
Yeah pretty much. What gave you the impression otherwise?
Though this thread seems to have fulfilled it's purpose more or less.
Well, how much quibbling can go on about the choice of noggin protection chosen by the AA? I for one seem to have noticed a rock paper sizzor quality to the conversation. Real world thinking beats Game/Model Flavor, Game/Model Flavor beats Troop Uniformity, and Troop Uniformity beats Real World thinking. And around and around we go.
If not for the mediocre who would be great, and thank goodness for those who are just terrible they make even those who are mediocre look great
May the Sons of Dorn forever be vigilant
2010/12/03 12:42:33
Subject: BARE HEADS ON SPACE MARINES ARE STUPID!!!
Lolfest5 wrote:so is this still about bare headed space marines or what
Yeah pretty much. What gave you the impression otherwise?
Though this thread seems to have fulfilled it's purpose more or less.
Well, how much quibbling can go on about the choice of noggin protection chosen by the AA? I for one seem to have noticed a rock paper sizzor quality to the conversation. Real world thinking beats Game/Model Flavor, Game/Model Flavor beats Troop Uniformity, and Troop Uniformity beats Real World thinking. And around and around we go.
Basically people say that the models you see are merely representations of their imaginary counter parts. Whatever actions they are doing are only a snapshot of their actions on the battlefield.
Bare-headed marines could represent a marine who has lost his helmet due to enemy fire or some other reason.
Dakka Bingo! By Ouze "You are the best at flying things"-Kanluwen
"Further proof that Purple is a fething brilliant super villain " -KingCracker
"Purp.. Im pretty sure I have a gun than can reach you...."-Nicorex
"That's not really an apocalypse. That's just Europe."-Grakmar
"almost as good as winning free cake at the tea drinking contest for an Englishman." -Reds8n
Seal up your lips and give no words but mum.
Equip, Reload. Do violence.
Watch for Gerry.
2010/12/03 18:40:45
Subject: BARE HEADS ON SPACE MARINES ARE STUPID!!!
But wouldn't it be nice if thewre would at least be a hellmet nearby (like on the base), so we know that he actually has one and that he is not completely psycho and dillusional?
Diplomacy is having a bigger gun than the other guy
How do you destroy a monolith? YOU HIT IT WITH A WRECKING BALL!!!
Build the heretic a fire, and he'll be warm for a night. Set the heretic on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
''So going by that the eye of terror is the US..''
''Um, no! They're nothing alike. We're talking about a hellish nightmare realm of insanity and suffering, where grotesque and bloated monstrosities rule with an amoral disregard for all life! The Eye of Terror hasn't got anything on that.''
2010/12/03 21:13:10
Subject: BARE HEADS ON SPACE MARINES ARE STUPID!!!
waasssdddd wrote:But wouldn't it be nice if thewre would at least be a hellmet nearby (like on the base), so we know that he actually has one and that he is not completely psycho and dillusional?
Plenty of people model damaged helmets.
Dakka Bingo! By Ouze "You are the best at flying things"-Kanluwen
"Further proof that Purple is a fething brilliant super villain " -KingCracker
"Purp.. Im pretty sure I have a gun than can reach you...."-Nicorex
"That's not really an apocalypse. That's just Europe."-Grakmar
"almost as good as winning free cake at the tea drinking contest for an Englishman." -Reds8n
Seal up your lips and give no words but mum.
Equip, Reload. Do violence.
Watch for Gerry.
2010/12/04 17:05:37
Subject: BARE HEADS ON SPACE MARINES ARE STUPID!!!
Yeah, like 2%? That aint plenty, 25%+ would be plenty
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Diplomacy is having a bigger gun than the other guy
How do you destroy a monolith? YOU HIT IT WITH A WRECKING BALL!!!
Build the heretic a fire, and he'll be warm for a night. Set the heretic on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
''So going by that the eye of terror is the US..''
''Um, no! They're nothing alike. We're talking about a hellish nightmare realm of insanity and suffering, where grotesque and bloated monstrosities rule with an amoral disregard for all life! The Eye of Terror hasn't got anything on that.''
2010/12/04 17:16:05
Subject: BARE HEADS ON SPACE MARINES ARE STUPID!!!
ClosetRoller wrote:IIRC, in a few of the HH books, they mention that some marines prefer operating helmet-less as it gives them greater manoeuvrability and peripheral vision.
In A Thousand Sons there's an amusing line where the Thousand Sons marines are told to pick out stupid, helmetless Space Wolves from the pack.
I remember that.
Why is this thread still alive? I think we get the point.
If only ZUN!bar were here...
2010/12/04 19:41:36
Subject: BARE HEADS ON SPACE MARINES ARE STUPID!!!
Lolfest5 wrote:so is this still about bare headed space marines or what
Yeah pretty much. What gave you the impression otherwise?
Though this thread seems to have fulfilled it's purpose more or less.
Well, how much quibbling can go on about the choice of noggin protection chosen by the AA? I for one seem to have noticed a rock paper sizzor quality to the conversation. Real world thinking beats Game/Model Flavor, Game/Model Flavor beats Troop Uniformity, and Troop Uniformity beats Real World thinking. And around and around we go.
Basically people say that the models you see are merely representations of their imaginary counter parts. Whatever actions they are doing are only a snapshot of their actions on the battlefield.
Bare-headed marines could represent a marine who has lost his helmet due to enemy fire or some other reason.
I picked up on that reasoning a while ago, it fits into the category of real world logic or thinking (helmet damaged in battle already) and Game Model Flavor (He looks different because its only a snapshot.)
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Samus_aran115 wrote:
Nitros14 wrote:
ClosetRoller wrote:IIRC, in a few of the HH books, they mention that some marines prefer operating helmet-less as it gives them greater manoeuvrability and peripheral vision.
In A Thousand Sons there's an amusing line where the Thousand Sons marines are told to pick out stupid, helmetless Space Wolves from the pack.
I remember that.
Why is this thread still alive? I think we get the point.
Because some things just enjoy going around and around.
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If not for the mediocre who would be great, and thank goodness for those who are just terrible they make even those who are mediocre look great
May the Sons of Dorn forever be vigilant
2010/12/05 02:30:29
Subject: BARE HEADS ON SPACE MARINES ARE STUPID!!!
Well, it's a lazy Sunday afternoon here and time to flog the old horse carcass again.
There was a nice skull that came with the AOBR set, it had a hole in the forehead and most of the back missing, perhaps this could make a suitable helmetless head for completeness' sake.