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Scott-S6 wrote:

lostlegiongames&comics wrote: If you are lucky enough to have a local game store, shop there instead of online and support your local gaming community!

I still really don't understand why "local gaming community" = "local store" in the US. What is this strange mental block that stops you guys from setting up gaming clubs?

We have one official gaming club, and at least 2 other "groups" that play 40k, but the local store is where the groups have some crossover. Previously one group played at the NASCAR/collectibles store and the other played at the library. The other group I know of plays at their houses. The store has plenty of tables and you can usually find members of all the various groups plus new players there.

Scott-S6 wrote:

lostlegiongames&comics wrote: If you are lucky enough to have a local game store, shop there instead of online and support your local gaming community!

I still really don't understand why "local gaming community" = "local store" in the US. What is this strange mental block that stops you guys from setting up gaming clubs?

i have the same issue. i don't want to have to drive the twenty-five miles into houston after i get off work just to play a game or two, which isn't even necessarily guaranteed, as there may not be anyone who feels like playing in the store (for some strange reason, the regulars at the nearest gw are very fickle)...

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

lostlegiongames&comics wrote:

timetowaste85 wrote:
As for the joining to post, I have actually been on dakka for 13 years. I just fealt the need to finally make a profile for my store as an entity due to the thread and have a voice as a brick and mortar retailer to support other retailer that are on here. Something I have been meanign to do for a long time. (when someone pokes you in the eye, it's motivational)

THE ROGUE TRADER

So you have two accounts?

Kind of, but I can't get the other one logged in. It's been 8 computers and 4 email addresses ago since I logged in did anything but lurk and see what the buzz is from time to time. So I had to make a new account because I can't figure out what my password was and don't remember which old email it was under.


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Scott-S6 wrote:I still really don't understand why "local gaming community" = "local store" in the US. What is this strange mental block that stops you guys from setting up gaming clubs?

I think you misunderstand me. If you have a local store then buying local keeps more money in your own local economy and helps provide one more job to your area. If you're local store runs events and does the things that you would want from a club, then it's a double win. If you don't have a local store then by all means, support your local clubs. When I was in Ireland on my way to a UKGT some years ago my friends in Dublin took me to their local game club. It was great. They all paid dues to rent a room at a firehouse once a week so they could all get together and game. If that's your local game community, then you should support it. Support your local game conventions. Your local stores. However and wherever the most basic part of gaming is in your community is crucial for the future of these hobbies.
I helped form 2 game clubs. Lost Legion Game Club in one town, which I later named my 3 stores after, and the The Kanawha Riflemen in another city, which I later subtitled my third store after since it was in the same area. I'm all about game clubs!
Young cheesy munchkins don't grow up to be mature adult gamers without our help. In my area, there are some clubs and a local convention. I do everything I can to help them grow. But I also run a business of game stores where it's free to play, free to use our paints and supplies and work on your models, every game we carry can be demoed before you decide to buy it, and hanging out all day and gaming is fine without ever needing purchase anything or pay any fees. We even have armies and blood bowl teams and stuff for people to borrow if they can't afford the hobby. So sometimes, supporting your local store IS supporting your local gaming community. Not always of course. Some game stores, mine included, have been the daily after school hangout for some kids that otherwise would have be wandering the streets bored or home alone. Saddly, some game stores don't have much interest in community and just exist as a retail tool and nothing else.
The other point I was trying to make is, shopping outside your locale (whether it's because your local guy was a pushy slaesman or because you are looking for a bigger discount or whatever) doesn't do anything to support your local game community. Shopping at your local store -probably- does.


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morpheus's child wrote:i have the same issue. i don't want to have to drive the twenty-five miles into houston after i get off work just to play a game or two, which isn't even necessarily guaranteed, as there may not be anyone who feels like playing in the store (for some strange reason, the regulars at the nearest gw are very fickle)...

I totally understand that. Having set nights for certain types of gaming or for clubs to run events would help with that sort of thing. There's no reason to avoid having a place to play at your own house or closer to home if you have that option. I used to have 4 gaming tables set up in my basement and armies to loan when the closest game store to me was 6 hours away in another state. I own 3 game stores and I still play board games at home often.

Scott-S6 wrote:

lostlegiongames&comics wrote: If you are lucky enough to have a local game store, shop there instead of online and support your local gaming community!

I still really don't understand why "local gaming community" = "local store" in the US. What is this strange mental block that stops you guys from setting up gaming clubs?

Jeezum christ, this again?

It's not easy to get dedicated space to rent for gaming, as has been pointed out repeatedly. Churches, public halls, etc generally won't let you rent or use the space because of the involvement of dice somehow equating to 'gambling'.
It's also not easy to just do pick-up games for that same reason, and also because people are spread out all over the place.

Shops, however, let you break both of those barriers (and an additional one in the idea of having home gaming spaces which you wouldn't use for 'tournaments', but friendly beer & pretzel styled games with a buddy of yours rather than some random stranger who in most cases you wouldn't let into your home) in giving you a dedicated space where people are all there for the same reason: to play a game.

Once those games are done and the shop's closing, you're all set.

In the GW I go to the Manager is Great.
Sure he can Push stuff I don't need, and is not the best for Christmas Advise (Both my brothers got me Shadowswords, Not that I'm complaining about super heavies its just... I have three now)

he is a great dude. Just a few weeks ago, I hadn't gone in to GW in a wile and I didn't know what store Events were going on. He called me up and invited me to a Huge Apocalypse game out of nowhere, went in and Played a great game.

Also he Has a brain. 75% of all talking is about Non GW related stuff (Movies/Books/The meaning of life).

Kan - really? That's impressively short sighted of people. Given I'm off to a tournament this weekend held in a church hall it seems the UK is slightly ahead in some respects

I assume education on the topic hasnt ever helped? LIke explaining its a bit like monopoly, but with a bigger board and more dice?

nosferatu1001 wrote:Kan - really? That's impressively short sighted of people. Given I'm off to a tournament this weekend held in a church hall it seems the UK is slightly ahead in some respects

I assume education on the topic hasnt ever helped? LIke explaining its a bit like monopoly, but with a bigger board and more dice?

Education on the topic won't help, because what's more: the gaming scene here in the US isn't generally a 'friendly' one, but more a 'competitive' one.

If you want friendly games, you'd better have your own table or a shop that runs wacky fun days.

Kanluwen wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:Kan - really? That's impressively short sighted of people. Given I'm off to a tournament this weekend held in a church hall it seems the UK is slightly ahead in some respects

I assume education on the topic hasnt ever helped? LIke explaining its a bit like monopoly, but with a bigger board and more dice?

Education on the topic won't help, because what's more: the gaming scene here in the US isn't generally a 'friendly' one, but more a 'competitive' one.

If you want friendly games, you'd better have your own table or a shop that runs wacky fun days.

Our meta-game at the store is very competitive, I enjoy it though. I play some "friendly" games at the store and at my house.

I have heard a lot of people in the UK and Europe say that they don't have room in their house to set up a gaming table, that may be why local clubs are more popular there. Almost everyone I know in the US can set up a table in their house or apartment and play without worrying about renting/reserving a hall, and we have the store to play against people outside of our immediate group.

Also, when playing at the store we have about 6 tables available with terrain to cover them all, which makes it easier than transporting terrain to the library for example.

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Kanluwen wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:Kan - really? That's impressively short sighted of people. Given I'm off to a tournament this weekend held in a church hall it seems the UK is slightly ahead in some respects

I assume education on the topic hasnt ever helped? LIke explaining its a bit like monopoly, but with a bigger board and more dice?

Education on the topic won't help, because what's more: the gaming scene here in the US isn't generally a 'friendly' one, but more a 'competitive' one.

If you want friendly games, you'd better have your own table or a shop that runs wacky fun days.

Our meta-game at the store is very competitive, I enjoy it though. I play some "friendly" games at the store and at my house.

I have heard a lot of people in the UK and Europe say that they don't have room in their house to set up a gaming table, that may be why local clubs are more popular there. Almost everyone I know in the US can set up a table in their house or apartment and play without worrying about renting/reserving a hall, and we have the store to play against people outside of our immediate group.

Also, when playing at the store we have about 6 tables available with terrain to cover them all, which makes it easier than transporting terrain to the library for example.

The space issue for the UK/Europe is definitely a factor, but so is public transportation that's more accessible. There's rail systems and buses out the wazoo.

In most areas here in the US: that's not the case. I can't just hop an Amtrak to the nearest community center--hell, I can't even hop an Amtrak to any museums here in Raleigh.

A lot of WV guys one here. I am friending everyone of you, so when I see one of those "Dakka rule discussions" I will be sure to point you to the thread in question...speaking of which, I need to find that Death Company thread...

As for the WV stores themselves, man they are great. It has been a long time since Princeton had a decent comic/game store. Most of them have failed horribly for various reasons (wife taking half in the divorce, owner using it as a outlet for his own hobby, expanding the store too soon, or employees just being jerks.) Everyone is pretty nice at those stores.

Some things to consider:

Work Uniform - Polo shirts with Lost Legion Games & Comics written on them. They would present an image of unity to customers and stop those "Do you work here?" questions that annoy people. Plus you guys would just look smart. Who can argue with that? Heck if you hired me in the summer I would wear one with pride.

Old Stock - One thing that has always bugged me about shops in Princeton. There always seems to be loads of old stock on the shelves for years. Heck is is something I have seen in more than gaming shops. There is a bridal shop in Princeton where my wife works. She pointed out to me the other day about 20 dresses that have been on the rack for almost 15 years. The lady is still trying to get 100% profit out of them. I would have sold them on ebay or with a major discount years ago. There are GW minis at your shop that are the current model but look like they have been there for years. If you knocked that price down at put it on a special rack for clearance you could at least get what you paid for out of it. Who knows? That one clearance model might make someone start a new army? Six Month old White Dwarf? 50% off and put it on a rack at the front of the store. D&D book been sitting on the shelf for a year? Put that thing on sale and get rid of it.

Regardless I will still support your shops as much as I can. Heck I took a big chunk of tax return and bought as much blood angels as I could. I pay full retail price for everything I buy because I know it will help the shop out. I know I can get stuff cheaper elsewhere but I can't play Warhammer on ebay right? The thing is, there are cheap asses out there and you have to stick the hook in the mouths sometimes.

Kanluwen wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:Kan - really? That's impressively short sighted of people. Given I'm off to a tournament this weekend held in a church hall it seems the UK is slightly ahead in some respects

I assume education on the topic hasnt ever helped? LIke explaining its a bit like monopoly, but with a bigger board and more dice?

Education on the topic won't help, because what's more: the gaming scene here in the US isn't generally a 'friendly' one, but more a 'competitive' one.

If you want friendly games, you'd better have your own table or a shop that runs wacky fun days.

DO you mean you do then gamble on the outcome of games? Because in our club the emphasis is definitely (more than 80:20 split) on competitive games. It helps that we're one of the largest clubs around (the bar helps ) and thus hold tournaments, and have GT-level players here, but the same can be said of all the clubs i know of.

So why is educating the people that hire out so much of a problem? Competitive games without gambling are the same, to them, as "friendly" games, so that cant be the only reason. If the problem is of perception, then that can be changed.

Of course the issue coulf be that when you say "competitive" you really mean "prone to arguments", which may make it a non-starter in shared venues. Again, an issue we dont have at our club...

The guys at GW glasgow are actually a really great bunch. They know what all the vets and regulars have, and if any of us complain about things we are struggling with (in terms of getting a colour right), often some staff member will produce a sample marine and show us right then and there. And will then wander off to help the next person - absolutely no pressure to buy, I love it.

I dunno how it is around the world, but in calgary the guys seem pretty chill. I've been in there for a couple hours before just reading codexs and talking about models, and they are more than happy to discuss the hobby without making you buy stuff. Granted, Im sure if i was there everyday doing that, they may take issue, but if you pop in once a week or every two weeks to just shoot the with them, they are pretty chill guys. I havn't been there in awhile though. After some friendly Dakkite pointers to find cheaper models at Maelstrom and Heavy support, I don't really feel the need to go back to GW unless I wanna play.

Even then, If i ever actually collect an army sizeable to play anytime soon, I find FLGS have alot of younger players, which is fine, but at times can be testing. I deal with crazy dogs all day, it's like dealing with children, and I have a son to boot, so the last thing I wanna do is go to FLGS and deal with kids for another 3 hours of my night. It's no offense to them, I was young and creepy once too, but i'll readily admit I can't handle younger versions of myself when I was 12-14.

liam0404 wrote:The guys at GW glasgow are actually a really great bunch. They know what all the vets and regulars have, and if any of us complain about things we are struggling with (in terms of getting a colour right), often some staff member will produce a sample marine and show us right then and there. And will then wander off to help the next person - absolutely no pressure to buy, I love it.

Another GW Glasgow regular?

But yeah, the guys in GW Glasgow are really good. I've noticed they're a bit pushy with new players, but once they learn you're a regular, they'll leave well enough alone.

nosferatu1001 wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:Kan - really? That's impressively short sighted of people. Given I'm off to a tournament this weekend held in a church hall it seems the UK is slightly ahead in some respects

I assume education on the topic hasnt ever helped? LIke explaining its a bit like monopoly, but with a bigger board and more dice?

Education on the topic won't help, because what's more: the gaming scene here in the US isn't generally a 'friendly' one, but more a 'competitive' one.

If you want friendly games, you'd better have your own table or a shop that runs wacky fun days.

DO you mean you do then gamble on the outcome of games? Because in our club the emphasis is definitely (more than 80:20 split) on competitive games. It helps that we're one of the largest clubs around (the bar helps ) and thus hold tournaments, and have GT-level players here, but the same can be said of all the clubs i know of.

It's less "gambling" and more "people take it seriously".

So why is educating the people that hire out so much of a problem? Competitive games without gambling are the same, to them, as "friendly" games, so that cant be the only reason. If the problem is of perception, then that can be changed.

Not really. In the end, they view it as a "boardgame" and won't allow terrain, etc to be brought in or tables to be moved to make a suitable space things of that nature.

Not to mention some of the churches here in the South would consider it to be "a tool of the Devil!".

Of course the issue coulf be that when you say "competitive" you really mean "prone to arguments", which may make it a non-starter in shared venues. Again, an issue we dont have at our club...

Again: not really. But when people see tournament standings, etc they start to get suspicious and think you're running something illegal.

People take it seriously here, as well. But if it's a religious thing, and that's the only avaialble space well, there isnt much reasoning there. One good thing about the CofE being quite so laid back, in general.

If its the suspicion thing then that could be educated around, unless they are hideously close minded.

WE're very lucky where we our - the royal mail has a social club (read: cheap drinks and darts / pool) which we got into years ago, they give us a reasonable price on room hire and in return we get to keep all our terrain etc (enough for 60 player tournaments) at the club. We also provide a good income to the club, espeically with all the tournaments we put on. Our bar bill on a saturday alone is usually enough

I think here in the US, even if we could reliably rent space, we would still see a store culture just based on the transportation and distance factors.

The distance thing just throws a huge monkey wrench in most plans, and seems to be why if you look--most US gamers who have 'pick-up games' have them with pals but have arranged it in one form or another.

Wow. I guess the church-owners in the US are a little stricter than over here.

When I was a kid, my mates and I regularly held weekend tournaments in the church hall!

I have visited the US and have to say you really do need a car to travel anywhere and can fully understand its not as easy to set up clubs like in the UK.

nosferatu1001 wrote:People take it seriously here, as well. But if it's a religious thing, and that's the only avaialble space well, there isnt much reasoning there. One good thing about the CofE being quite so laid back, in general.

If its the suspicion thing then that could be educated around, unless they are hideously close minded.

WE're very lucky where we our - the royal mail has a social club (read: cheap drinks and darts / pool) which we got into years ago, they give us a reasonable price on room hire and in return we get to keep all our terrain etc (enough for 60 player tournaments) at the club. We also provide a good income to the club, espeically with all the tournaments we put on. Our bar bill on a saturday alone is usually enough

One thing to learn about the US: The older people who run these types of places are almost always close minded. I'm not sure why, but it always turns out that way.

Plus, as someone else said, a lot of churches here would consider it devil worshiping. Particularly if they here any chaos players say something like "Blood for the Blood God" or something.

Needing a car to get to a club isnt an issue for just the US, so that isnt a negative. It seems like it simply comes down to close minded and overly zelous religious persons

The last over zealous CofE people were about 200 years ago....

Wow...

I guess I'm really lucky that I've never been subjected to this kind of behavior at my local GW stores.

Now don't get me wrong, I've had the odd, aggressive red-shirt try to promote the latest and greatest with a bit too much gusto, but I generally just listen and then politely 'beg-off' if the sales person hasn't made a case. Their jobs really depend on sales and considering this economic climate I tend to be far more tolerant than most I guess. Not to mention I've come to know a few ex-redshirts and most have said they really hated doing the hard sales pitch. So, I try to imagine the salesperson from that perspective.

GW is all about sales, and I simply can't fathom 'corporate' allowing some of the behaviors I hear about without nipping them in the bud should they get reported. I mean, who would sit and put up with some of this stuff? ...especially if I was a 'regular' and spent a lot of money there.

Geez, another edit... sorry.

I have never had any issues with religious people myself. In fact, I gamed historical miniatures with a local Lutheran minister who ran a 'game-night' at his church for some years as he also had a degree in history. Whether he would have allowed 40k is another matter. Most fans are fairly young and 40k is an extremely dystopian universe... not to mention the demon worship. I don't think that point of view is particular to the US though. I think most religious folk anywhere might cast a dim view of the game and not only for the 'demonic' content, but rather for the sheer amount of violence portrayed in the game.

shingouki wrote:

lostlegiongames&comics wrote:

My own business policy has always been to make sure a customer knows what they're getting and are sure they want it. I would always rather discourage a customer from spending too much and make sure they get what they will enjoy instead of breaking their budget and never coming back.
Support your local gaming community!


you sir are a legend,this is exactly what gw need to teach their staff.


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+1

Generalizing any cultural values or traits about the US seems full of hubris. There's 300 million people over 5 million square miles.

and I simply can't fathom 'corporate' allowing some of the behaviors I hear about without nipping them in the bud should they get reported.

It's funny how quickly people abuse their station. As a business owner, I'd never represent my company in ways i've seen many people do it. But thats the thing though.....if it's not your own project, business or hard work going into it, your motivation is low. Hence the crappy attitudes and abuse of authority. I find GW employees empitomize this, as most I've met, although nice, tend to have a bit of a chip on their shoulder. I find alot war gamers tend to have a bit of a chip on their shoulder. They all exude this cocky im better than you attitude, or have some snide remark or gak eating grin on their face, like everything you do is elementary and amusing, all while they scream WAAAAGH, Blood for the blood god, many other terrible Warhammer slogans and jokes, and in general act like children. I find it difficult to deal with people like that...mainly cause I worked in construction for 5 years, and if you had that kind of attitude you'd end up on your ass pretty quick, and without a job.

Unfortunately for people who frequent GW stores, the battle goes on...

nosferatu1001 wrote:Needing a car to get to a club isnt an issue for just the US, so that isnt a negative. It seems like it simply comes down to close minded and overly zelous religious persons

The last over zealous CofE people were about 200 years ago....

Its not just the issue of having a car to get back and forth if their is insuficent public transport to the location reults in the same situation.

My point is the USA is VASTLEY more spread out than locations around the UK making it harder for gamers to comute to clubs.

nosferatu1001 wrote:Kan - really? That's impressively short sighted of people. Given I'm off to a tournament this weekend held in a church hall it seems the UK is slightly ahead in some respects

I assume education on the topic hasnt ever helped? LIke explaining its a bit like monopoly, but with a bigger board and more dice?

I can't say about other regions but in this state we do have a lot fanatical bible thumping "the devil is in those dice games" old ladies who might get upset if their pastor let anyone doing such a thing use their facility. It's a headache. When I was coaching highschool wrestling back before I had a store, one fo the kids was pulled off the team by his mother when she saw 2 other kids playing Magic after weigh-ins before they could take the mats to stretch. She was afraid we would drive her son to the devil.


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Lord Scythican wrote:A lot of WV guys one here. I am friending everyone of you, so when I see one of those "Dakka rule discussions" I will be sure to point you to the thread in question...speaking of which, I need to find that Death Company thread...

As for the WV stores themselves, man they are great. It has been a long time since Princeton had a decent comic/game store. Most of them have failed horribly for various reasons (wife taking half in the divorce, owner using it as a outlet for his own hobby, expanding the store too soon, or employees just being jerks.) Everyone is pretty nice at those stores.

Thank you for the kind words. The LLGC Legionnaires work very hard (I'm a slave driver) for not enough money to keep it going. When you see them, thank them in person please.

Lord Scythican wrote:
Some things to consider:

Work Uniform - Polo shirts with Lost Legion Games & Comics written on them. They would present an image of unity to customers and stop those "Do you work here?" questions that annoy people. Plus you guys would just look smart. Who can argue with that? Heck if you hired me in the summer I would wear one with pride.

This is kind of in the works once we get the new soda coolers financed.

Lord Scythican wrote:
Old Stock - One thing that has always bugged me about shops in Princeton. There always seems to be loads of old stock on the shelves for years. Heck is is something I have seen in more than gaming shops. There is a bridal shop in Princeton where my wife works. She pointed out to me the other day about 20 dresses that have been on the rack for almost 15 years. The lady is still trying to get 100% profit out of them. I would have sold them on ebay or with a major discount years ago. There are GW minis at your shop that are the current model but look like they have been there for years. If you knocked that price down at put it on a special rack for clearance you could at least get what you paid for out of it. Who knows? That one clearance model might make someone start a new army? Six Month old White Dwarf? 50% off and put it on a rack at the front of the store. D&D book been sitting on the shelf for a year? Put that thing on sale and get rid of it.

For GW products there are a lot of things we are required to keep in stock whether it's selling or not. If we liquidated it we would be forced to reorder it and put it back on the shelf. It's part of the GW retailer agreement. We do some specials and events where we discount and liquidate old stock but there are several reasons we don't do the clearance liquidation hard sell but from time to time we push out some of the old stock. Some of the items sell and you don't realize it because we pull one from one of the other stores to replace it.

Lord Scythican wrote:
Regardless I will still support your shops as much as I can. Heck I took a big chunk of tax return and bought as much blood angels as I could. I pay full retail price for everything I buy because I know it will help the shop out. I know I can get stuff cheaper elsewhere but I can't play Warhammer on ebay right? The thing is, there are cheap asses out there and you have to stick the hook in the mouths sometimes.

Thank you, and feel free to send me any and all the comments or ideas you have. I am pretty set in my ways but I am still willing to consider anything try to be progressive.
Have you ever been to a GW storefront? I am curious how we compare since we are on the subject of GW employee salesmanship.

Lord_Osma wrote:

shingouki wrote:

lostlegiongames&comics wrote:

My own business policy has always been to make sure a customer knows what they're getting and are sure they want it. I would always rather discourage a customer from spending too much and make sure they get what they will enjoy instead of breaking their budget and never coming back.
Support your local gaming community!


you sir are a legend,this is exactly what gw need to teach their staff.


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+1

Thanks, I never understood the hard sell. I guess if I was selling you a car or a grave plot I wouldn't need to worry about return business anytime soon, but if I convince you to buy all the volumes of Spider Girl telling you they're awesome and you hate it, then you are never going to listen to me again. However, if I give you Walking Dead volume 1 (I loan them out like handshakes) because I know it's awesome, when you realize I was right, it is awesome, then you might just come back to me and ask what else is good. If you're buying for a child, then I won't mention Walking Dead because they say and they show but then I might mention Spider Girl because young ladies enjoy it. It's good for business and it's good for my peace of mind to know I didn't intentionaly mislead anyone. If the salesman at your store insists you should buy the Stormraven for your Necrons... I'm guessing he doesn't know the products very well or he is a poor salesman or doesn't respect his customers.

When Sean Forbes ran GW Fairfax, he had a great way to sell product. Sean ended up working his way up to head of US Sales for GW before he passed away a couple of years ago. I was a kid then and my dad bought Man-O-War (dad loved naval battles and built a Norse Fleet to match our 1/3 scale viking longship we used to race in the Charleston Regatta's Anything That Floats race) and several fleets. So Sean gave us Plague Fleet for free. Next time in we bought all the Chaos Fleets so he gave us Sea of Blood for free. Next time in we ended up buying the rest of the fleets and flyers. If you want someone to buy something for their army or game, you let them try it out or show them how it wold work in their army.

I did hear of someone who walked into a GW store and the assistant had just said "Can I help you?" To which the guy said "**** off". Strange but true.

My local GW tends to be pretty good. I think when i go in the manager is just happy to see soemone over the age of 12.

Never hard sells to em and just chats about armies and conversionwe might be working on.

Kanluwen wrote:The distance thing just throws a huge monkey wrench in most plans, and seems to be why if you look--most US gamers who have 'pick-up games' have them with pals but have arranged it in one form or another.

Doesn't a club meeting at a regular time and place solve that problem?