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Congratulations to all the winners. Go Tony on best general.

Is nice to see a variety of armies in top 16 for best general as well as a nice variety for best overall.

Army distribution for this event:

40 Space Wolves
37 Blood Angels
29 Imperial Guard
28 Orks
28 Space Marines
19 Chaos Space Marines
13 Tyranids
11 Chaos Dæmons
8 Dark Eldar
7 Eldar
5 Dark Angels
5 Tau Empire
4 Undecided
3 Black Templars
3 Necrons
1 Dæmonhunters

Sounds about right Fetter. I didn't play a single same codex army in 4 games. Granted 3 of them were MEQ (SM, BA, SW) but at least it was 3 different codexes

The one thing I'm surprised about is the few Dark Eldar players who showed up to this event. From most of the reports I've heard, the models have been flying off the shelves, but that doesn't seem to really correspond to people actually taking the army to tournaments. Are they too new and unestablished in terms of builds, strategies, and so forth, or are people just not feeling the DE for competitive play?

Or people expected more guard like last year? I don't know what it was but DE were a little thin on the ground. I'd be it has to do with how many guard there were last year combined w/no official models for Wracks & Venoms.

Anyone know what the top Dark Eldar lists were composed of?

Fetterkey wrote:Army distribution for this event:

40 Space Wolves
37 Blood Angels
29 Imperial Guard
28 Orks
28 Space Marines
19 Chaos Space Marines
13 Tyranids
11 Chaos Dæmons
8 Dark Eldar
7 Eldar
5 Dark Angels
5 Tau Empire
4 Undecided
3 Black Templars
3 Necrons
1 Dæmonhunters

Who would be stupid enough to bring Demonhunters?

Oh, wait a minute...


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blood angel wrote:We won the team tournament.

Team name: I'm a Bear.. Put Your Head In My Mouth

Paul Murphy - captain
Kenny Boucher
Rob Baer
Josh Ginn

Running blood angels. Details to follow on blogs, I'm sure.

Congratulations Paul, you had a great weekend. Too bad your championship run ended on Sunday when your dice went on strike.

First round of event results and all the scenario packets are up on the AdeptiCon website under Past Coverage --> AdeptiCon 2011. Hopefully more results and some front page news tomorrow. Right now I need sleep...

Yea got to play Tony in the last battle of Friday, he is certainly an excellent player and deserves the best general award, unfortunately playing him wasn't fun.
He was All business, which is understandable if your just going for wins, but that's why he more than likely scored so poorly in sportsmanship, not that zero is bad, that was supposed to be average at adepticon.

Anyone know what the last 8 BA list was?

Bell of lost souls is awfully quiet. I guess they don't discuss results unless they win.

olympia wrote:Bell of lost souls is awfully quiet. I guess they don't discuss results unless they win.

Maybe because they had to travel all day yesterday and got in late last night. I had to play Brent in the finals and he is a class act. I am sure once rested they telling about there experiences.

Why come the BFG results dont have fleet races so we know who played what?

For me the most fascinating thing is the lists that ended up at the top of the heap.

If those lists had been posted on dakka asking for advice, there would have been a general feeling that they were good, but not completely optimal. Given the level of dedication required to win at this level, I would imagine that it is not a case of making a silk purse from a sow's ear - I assume that what is in these armies is exactly what the owner's wanted.

Given this, is it time for a more open-minded approach to list-building advice (ie something better than SPAM MOAR <insert flavour-of-the-month unit here>!!!!!) that actually takes into account synergy and battlefield use?

Congrats to the winners in any case, sounds like a terrific event

Chimera_Calvin wrote:For me the most fascinating thing is the lists that ended up at the top of the heap.

If those lists had been posted on dakka asking for advice, there would have been a general feeling that they were good, but not completely optimal. Given the level of dedication required to win at this level, I would imagine that it is not a case of making a silk purse from a sow's ear - I assume that what is in these armies is exactly what the owner's wanted.

Given this, is it time for a more open-minded approach to list-building advice (ie something better than SPAM MOAR <insert flavour-of-the-month unit here>!!!!!) that actually takes into account synergy and battlefield use?

I completely agree with this. However, it's worth bearing in mind that the players at this level use their lists because they are so used to them and know them inside out.
We all know it's more about the skill of the player rather than the list they use, but we'd struggle to know that in a simple forum.

If someone posts an original list and clearly knows how to use it, then I at least would respect their decision and not question their ability with it.
For example, we'd be more likely to suggest revisions to a list like the winners if a random poster suggested it, rather than say... a known veteran tournament player like Hulk or Reece.

Anyone know what the last 8 BA list was?

I played him in the round of 8 with my IG and his list was:
Librarian in termie armour
Sanguinor
Honor guard in a rhino
Tac squad in rhino w/MM melta
2 assault squads
2 5 man termie squads with 3 TH/SS 2 Lightning claws
Furiouso with talons
Stormraven

Beautifully painted. He had the Storm Raven with the Sanguinor style wings free handed onto the wings of the SR.

Any chance of getting the final 2 SW lists?

I would be very interested to see the points distribution and synergies employed by the champions.

Ozymandias wrote:This is all interesting, but I think I speak for all of us when I ask if Dakka Detachment 2 did better overall than Dakka Detachment 1?

Sigh... wish I could've been there this year.

Seconded!

blood angel wrote:We won the team tournament.

Team name: I'm a Bear.. Put Your Head In My Mouth

Paul Murphy - captain
Kenny Boucher
Rob Baer
Josh Ginn

Running blood angels. Details to follow on blogs, I'm sure.

Congrats, Paul!

Thank ya thank ya.

For the guy who asked about the elite 8 BA list - the other one (mine) was:

Meph
Sanguinor
Chap
2 Priest
CC Terminators
3 assault squads w/ fist and meltas

RiTides wrote:

Ozymandias wrote:This is all interesting, but I think I speak for all of us when I ask if Dakka Detachment 2 did better overall than Dakka Detachment 1?

Sigh... wish I could've been there this year.

Seconded!

http://www.adepticon.org/?page_id=2350

Dakka Detachment 2 - 26th, 10 points behind Dakka Detachment 1!

blood angel wrote:Thank ya thank ya.

For the guy who asked about the elite 8 BA list - the other one (mine) was:

Meph
Sanguinor
Chap
2 Priest
CC Terminators
3 assault squads w/ fist and meltas

And I found a list...

I've been trying to find a way to jam these units into a list, but I've been trying to shoehorn vehicles in there as well. Your assault squads can stay big while having the deathstar HQ of doom.

doh.. forgot to mention the storm raven and two rhinos. Keep the packs on one squad. Gives a lot of versitility.

Fetterkey wrote:Army distribution for this event:

40 Space Wolves
37 Blood Angels
29 Imperial Guard
28 Orks
28 Space Marines
19 Chaos Space Marines
13 Tyranids
11 Chaos Dæmons
8 Dark Eldar
7 Eldar
5 Dark Angels
5 Tau Empire
4 Undecided
3 Black Templars
3 Necrons
1 Dæmonhunters

That certainly gives us an indication of what people think are the strongest codexes.

The lack of Deldar is probably due to a number of factors such as newness and consequent lack of playing time with the codex against varied opponents.

No witchhunters at the event? Wow.

And 4 undecided? That's kind of strange.

I'm kind of surprised we didn't see more DA/BT, considering the recent updates made them viable.

Kilkrazy wrote:

Fetterkey wrote:Army distribution for this event:

40 Space Wolves
37 Blood Angels
29 Imperial Guard
28 Orks
28 Space Marines
19 Chaos Space Marines
13 Tyranids
11 Chaos Dæmons
8 Dark Eldar
7 Eldar
5 Dark Angels
5 Tau Empire
4 Undecided
3 Black Templars
3 Necrons
1 Dæmonhunters

That certainly gives us an indication of what people think are the strongest codexes.

The lack of Deldar is probably due to a number of factors such as newness and consequent lack of playing time with the codex against varied opponents.

I'd love to see the break down of Fantasy armies, too.

113 armies out of 241 are Marine variants(not including CSM and Daemonhunter, which boost it to 133), giving ~47%(55% if including CSM and DH) of the armies as Marines.

Kilkrazy wrote:

Fetterkey wrote:Army distribution for this event:

40 Space Wolves
37 Blood Angels
29 Imperial Guard
28 Orks
28 Space Marines
19 Chaos Space Marines
13 Tyranids
11 Chaos Dæmons
8 Dark Eldar
7 Eldar
5 Dark Angels
5 Tau Empire
4 Undecided
3 Black Templars
3 Necrons
1 Dæmonhunters

That certainly gives us an indication of what people think are the strongest codexes.

The lack of Deldar is probably due to a number of factors such as newness and consequent lack of playing time with the codex against varied opponents.

The other thing that stands out is how few Eldar there were.

Kilkrazy wrote:

Fetterkey wrote:Army distribution for this event:

40 Space Wolves--------Strong mech lists
37 Blood Angels--------Strong mech lists
29 Imperial Guard----Strong mech lists
28 Orks
28 Space Marines
19 Chaos Space Marines
13 Tyranids
11 Chaos Dæmons
8 Dark Eldar
7 Eldar
5 Dark Angels
5 Tau Empire
4 Undecided
3 Black Templars
3 Necrons
1 Dæmonhunters

That certainly gives us an indication of what people think are the strongest codexes.

The lack of Deldar is probably due to a number of factors such as newness and consequent lack of playing time with the codex against varied opponents.

Top three played armies are possibly the top three alpha strike/mech lists too. Probably not a coincidence.

I talked to one of the BOLS guys---he was playing DE. He said they did ok---but lined up against Guard was pretty rough.

DE are also missing some models right now---which may explain why they weren't represented better.

pretre wrote:No witchhunters at the event? Wow.

And 4 undecided? That's kind of strange.

I'm kind of surprised we didn't see more DA/BT, considering the recent updates made them viable.

I'm suprised about that also. Usually you see one or two in the list.

I was thinking that. I'm really surprised to see how few Eldar, Dark Eldar and Tyranids there were. Particularly the 'Nids. I'm actually kind of surprised at the number of Guard players,I thought there wouldn't be that many less than the BA/SW's.

AgeOfEgos wrote:

40 Space Wolvesz
37 Blood Angels
29 Imperial Guard
28 Orks
28 Space Marines
19 Chaos Space Marines
13 Tyranids
11 Chaos Dæmons
8 Dark Eldar
7 Eldar
5 Dark Angels
5 Tau Empire
4 Undecided
3 Black Templars
3 Necrons
1 Dæmonhunters

Top three played armies are possibly the top three alpha strike/mech lists too. Probably not a coincidence.

I'm not sure I agree with this analysis.

First of all, check the colors I added above. Those seem like more statistically relevant breaks. One more person played guard than orks or marines. For all intents and purporses, the top two armies are new MEQ codexes, followed by three armies that are almost equally balanced in representation. Good news for GK players, it would appear.

Also, I believe I saw more Blood Angels on foot (or, perhaps jumping) than meched up. I think there were as many mech orks as mech blood angels - they seemed fairly split between kans and wagons (plus one who ran wazdakka ) Both Wolves and Angels have good mech builds, but they've also got good non-mech builds.