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**spireland**

Hulksmash wrote:In regards to the sports scoring I actually had Mathais explain it to me on Sunday morning while watching the first round. I was sad since I'd scored so poorly figuring someone might have actually dinged me. Once it was explained it made more sense.

I gave out 3 Average games and 1 Amazing game. The reason? I read the actual words on the paper, scored it appropriately, and only Redbeards game blew me away with the fun, awesome spirit, and general tone. The other 3 dudes were good games but not something I'll look back at next year and remember. But again non were bad enough for me to remember next year either so 3-Averages and 1-Awesome. But quite a few people are still in the habit of max sports. It's one of the reasons I like the rank your opponents method more.

This is what bugs me about soft scores. Some people read the guidelines (Like Mr. Smash) and some don't. Some torpedo others scores, some inflate others, some just plain don't read. Regardless its more often then not a "real" score.

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targetawg wrote:
Matthias wrote:Please read the AdeptiCon Championships Sportsmanship scoring and how awards are calculated. Tony did not receive low Sportsmanship. In fact he received slight above average (since four average games would be 0 points). Granted people were liberal with Positive marks, but that doesn't harm anyone.

The mark he was marked for may have been called "average", but the average we're talking about here is a numerical average of the actual scores that were awarded. I downloaded the scores and slapped em into excel, and the actual average score was a 30.27 for sportsmanship with a standard deviation of 8, meaning tony was more than 2 standard deviations off of the average. The median score was a 32, the mode was 32 as well.

So Tony did in fact receive "low" sportsmanship when it comes to the score he received, which is what we're interested in if we're evaluating how it impacted his overall performance. The difference here is that the system skews the numbers so that a result of a 0 is deemed to be an average quality sportsman (IE, 0 isn't "he has absolutely no quality as a sportsman and was the least fun opponent imaginable").

This was what I saw in the numbers, it is interesting to see the actual statistical result.

**pretre**

@spireland: Okay, how about you start up a thread in Tournament Discussions about soft scores so we can keep talking about Adepticon Results?

**Monster Rain**

How long do you think it will be until the scores hit Rankings HQ?

**Matthias**

I had a quick discussion with Andrew from RHQ about how we will enter this event since the Overall scores only take into account the Friday event and there is technically a 2nd event on Sunday without all that. Once he gets settled back home we will figure it out.

**spireland**

pretre wrote:@spireland: Okay, how about you start up a thread in Tournament Discussions about soft scores so we can keep talking about Adepticon Results?

I'm sorry that I have a differing opinion then you. Telling me to get out of the thread (even if done politely) is not appreciated.
Last time I checked, Dakka is a place for discussion, even if they differ from yours. My posts have been on point, discussing what I see as issues with the scoring at Adepticon. Yes, I have taken some general jabs at soft scoring in general, but isn’t that what a discussion forum is for? Discussing?

**Just Dave**

spireland wrote:
pretre wrote:@spireland: Okay, how about you start up a thread in Tournament Discussions about soft scores so we can keep talking about Adepticon Results?

I'm sorry that I have a differing opinion then you. Telling me to get out of the thread (even if done politely) is not appreciated.
Last time I checked, Dakka is a place for discussion, even if they differ from yours. My posts have been on point, discussing what I see as issues with the scoring at Adepticon. Yes, I have taken some general jabs at soft scoring in general, but isn’t that what a discussion forum is for? Discussing?

Yes, however that's not what this thread is for. I have to agree with him in that the conversation about soft scoring should be taken elsewhere...

Congrats to the winner though, I wouldn't say that's a particularly 'cheesy' or 'netlist' Space Wolf army at all tbh, few Razorbacks, no TWC and only 2 squads of Long Fangs. In fact, I'd probably have criticised the lay-out for the Rhinos. All credit to the kid, he must be a talented general to say the least.

Well done to the various Dakkanauts too! I'm looking at you Mannahnin, Hulk, Reece and Redbeard!

**Ebsolom Dhaark**

Just thought I'd pop in to congratulate Tony on his win. Well done young man!

**Monster Rain**

That's not what this thread is for, no.

We are talking about Adepticon results, not derailing into another soft score debate.

Ninja'd by justdave!

**Heffling**

@Spireland: From the dakka rules:

4. Stay on the original topic of the thread. It's really easy to wander off, but if you find yourself diverging too much from the original topic, start a new thread.

Of course, it probably also says in the rules to let moderators do the moderating =p

Back on topic, congratz to the winners. I'm really interested to see the Ork Horde list that made the finals.

**Kilkrazy**

Of course that is true, and there is also a principle of not dragging threads far off topic, so we have to balance these two principles.

Sports scores have been extensively debated in the past and will be so again in the future.

You have had the chance to express your opinion about the specifics of Adepticon, and others have disagreed. If people want to explore the subject in depth, a new thread would be a good way to do it. That goes equally for the pro and con people.

**Frazzled**

spireland wrote:
pretre wrote:@spireland: Okay, how about you start up a thread in Tournament Discussions about soft scores so we can keep talking about Adepticon Results?

I'm sorry that I have a differing opinion then you. Telling me to get out of the thread (even if done politely) is not appreciated.
Last time I checked, Dakka is a place for discussion, even if they differ from yours. My posts have been on point, discussing what I see as issues with the scoring at Adepticon. Yes, I have taken some general jabs at soft scoring in general, but isn’t that what a discussion forum is for? Discussing?

Agreed actually, lets take a discussion of soft scores to a different thread which you are free to make, and keep this one on topic of the actual results. Thanks everyone.

**Just Dave**

Ouch Frazzled. That's 2 threads I've seen you get ninja'd in. Getting old Frazz.

Maybe you should feed the Weiner's less to slim the bugger's...

**puma713**

Avariel wrote:Any news on results for Gladiator or Team tournaments.

Blood of Kittens wrote:The Team Tourney was won by Rob Baer of Spikey Bits Blood Angel abomination. Taking second was last year’s winner Son of Shatner.

**Frazzled**

Just Dave wrote:Ouch Frazzled. That's 2 threads I've seen you get ninja'd in. Getting old Frazz.
Maybe you should feed the Weiner's less to slim the bugger's...

Occupational hazard. Usually I'm the cause of the reports, and thus the first to respond.

Congrats all, and I just want to say that Team Weinie are again jealous that we couldn't attend. Maybe next year.

**skkipper**

90% off what I said wasn't hear say. It was based off my team tourney game vs him. The one person I talked to who played him on Friday probaly will not post his story due to his position here.
The rule stretch: due to other tanks around his rhino. He was unable to disembark from his rhino in coherency. He said he could because was moving after and only had to end in coherency. i told him he was wrong. he got snippy so i said fine. i knew he was wrong but i am playing horde orks and can't waste time. i let it go. another disembark and move resulted in guys back of bases being over 9" from the rhino. I called him on it were he got snippy again.
We may have got his worst game since he was in a losing position. I am just pointing out from what I seen he needs to tighten up his game

**Orock**

Necron 89th place
Tau 162nd place

And thats about the only times you see em on the list, necrons had another at 100ish i think.

**yermom**

Congrats to everyone who went and placed well, especially Tony for winning overalll, his guard opponent for taking "suboptimal" choices and getting so far, and the tyranid player who placed in top 4.

But seriously, I would love to play a game with Tony at Nova. He's stealing my spot light as the young kid who does well at tournaments, and I can't let that happen

On a side not that tyranid player is really making me reconsider my tyanids...

**blood angel**

We won the team tournament.

Team name: I'm a Bear.. Put Your Head In My Mouth

Paul Murphy - captain
Kenny Boucher
Rob Baer
Josh Ginn

Running blood angels. Details to follow on blogs, I'm sure.

**Chosen Praetorian**

I would love to know the CSM list that got second over all. Congrats to the wolves for knocking Guard on its ass! I think that's needed from time to time, hoping it happens again at 'Ard Boyz this year

**pretre**

@Chosen: That's Mannahnin, one of the mods here.
Not sure of the exact list he brought, but I'm sure he will chime in when he recovers from the trip. To tide you over:

Pics of his Fallen Angels:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/353486.page

Recent Battle Report:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/353697.page

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He runs a very different Chaos list that most internet pundits would say is terribad. Lesser Daemons, oh no!

**The Everliving**

Well done to the various Dakkanauts too! I'm looking at you Mannahnin, Hulk, Reece and Redbeard!

*cough*
5th in Gladiator (horde guard)

**Old Man Ultramarine**

spireland wrote:
pretre wrote:Lol Just noticed Tony was 82nd overall, but 1st on Sunday. Thanks RB and grats again on appearance!

If you look at the score, it was the sportsmanship score that killed him in the overall. I wonder if he really is that bad of a sport or something else....

On a side note, I don't mind when painting scores get lumped in but sports/comp is crazy as its based on your opponent judging you. Thats always objective....

Maybe, just maybe some don't like getting their ass kicked on table by a young player!

**ChiliPowderKeg**

Only two Necrons players. And they both scored better than the five Tau Empire players attending. That does not reflect well on the debate on "Necron Vs Tau" at all

**Elessar**

No, it doesn't - but it's far from conclusive, especially in a field of 260 players of whom most (what, two-thirds?) would have been SW, IG or BA.

Playing 5e with a 4e book at a tournament is generally a bad idea, as you don't only require good terrain, luck and ability anymore, but match-up becomes a much bigger issue too.

**thehod**

Congrats to all the winners. Tony has proven what he can do twice.

Great Job Paul, Kenny, Rob MBG, and Josh. Great players each of them.

**Maelstrom808**

@ Severus Thanks for posting Jay's list and grats on a great tournament

@ Hulksmash Any chance of a batrep on your nids when you get a chance?

**Disarray**

Any details on the top4 ork list?

**Norbu the Destroyer**

Ork player was

Mek KFF

20 Ard Boyz (shootas Nob Klaw)
Deff Rolla BW transport

30 shoota boyz (Nob w/ Klaw, 3 big shootas)
30 shoota boyz (Nob w/ klaw, 3 big shootas)
30 shoota boyz (Nob w/ klaw, 3 big shootas)

10 lootas
10 lootas

3 Kans w/ big shootas
3 Kans with rockets
1 Deff Dred w/ 2 big shootas.

Its a solid list and hes a good player. I lost to him round 2 first day.

**Hulksmash**

@maelstrom

I'll be working on it in the next few days. Managed to have pictures for the first two (kinda) but then the thought went away and no more pictures

**Maelstrom808**

Hulksmash wrote:@maelstrom

I'll be working on it in the next few days. Managed to have pictures for the first two (kinda) but then the thought went away and no more pictures

Meh, I rarely pay much mind to pictures anyway as they are usually cell phone pics and hard to make out

I'm interested in how your list panned out and what you would do differently. Look forward to reading it.