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here is the complete quote for complete clarification.

"A vehicle with this special rule is treated as being a psyker(mastery level 1) and Ld10 for the purposes of Psychic tests and Psychic hoods. if the vehicle suffers a Perils of the Warp, treat it as a glancing hit."

Ok, I still read that as saying that it counts as a model with the psyker special rule and leadership 10, basically that it is a Ld 10 psyker. It'll peril on 2 or 12 and only fail safely with an 11. I'mnot sure what the discrepancy is, but I stand by my previous interpretation.

ChrisWWII wrote:Ok, I still read that as saying that it counts as a model with the psyker special rule and leadership 10, basically that it is a Ld 10 psyker. It'll peril on 2 or 12 and only fail safely with an 11. I'mnot sure what the discrepancy is, but I stand by my previous interpretation.

The "discrepancy" is that it is only a LD 10 Psyker with regards to Psychic Tests and Psychic Hoods.

At all other times, it is NOT a Psyker.

So....what are we talking about?

It does fit the fluff and makes perfect sense, however they are i admit very very good for the point cost. Better then majority of Space Marine HQ's and 1/3rd the point cost.

Platuan4th wrote:
The "discrepancy" is that it is only a LD 10 Psyker with regards to Psychic Tests and Psychic Hoods.

At all other times, it is NOT a Psyker.

Ah, I agree with that. It is only a psyker when it's testing to use its anti-glancing power, or...however the hell a psychic hood works. I see nothing to suggest it'd be a psyker unless one of those 2 things were happening. If it had been meant to be a psyker, they wouldn't have felt the need to specify that it works for psychic tests and hoods.

Cranberry Muffinman wrote:It does fit the fluff and makes perfect sense, however they are i admit very very good for the point cost. Better then majority of Space Marine HQ's and 1/3rd the point cost.

Wait, you buy HQs for 435 points? o,0

Leave poor Mat Ward alone. He's not THAT bad. I just wish he'd wrote the Tyranid Codex.

Squigsquasher wrote:Leave poor Mat Ward alone. He's not THAT bad. I just wish he'd wrote the Tyranid Codex.

Yes he is. Theoretically I wish he writes IG codex so I get deep striking Leman RUsses and nigh invulnerable artillery and 2 point Guardsmen. Would it be fair and balanced? No. But it'd be nice for an IG player.

In all seriousness though if Matt Ward gets his hands on my IG, I will begin to feel bad about playing IG.

Anidem wrote:Actually, im sure that this isn't cheese at all.

Fluff-wise, aren't the assassin's of the imperium known for killing Primarchs, C'tan, Greater Demons, and anything else that would take an IG regiment or a SM chapter to take on.

Heck, im surprised they arent hitting faster or more that Lelith. She is still getting (up to ) 12 Power-Weapon swings at I 9, which is more than enough to kill MEQ squads. Throw in furious charge and she'll have an easier time with it too.

I have to say the only thing im dissapointed about is the fact that i can no longer take assassins as auxillaries, i would had loved to use the Vindicare Assassin's rules for Mad Larkin in my Tanith IG army.

Bromsy wrote:

Anidem wrote:Actually, im sure that this isn't cheese at all.

Fluff-wise, aren't the assassin's of the imperium known for killing Primarchs, C'tan, Greater Demons, and anything else that would take an IG regiment or a SM chapter to take on.

Heck, im surprised they arent hitting faster or more that Lelith. She is still getting (up to ) 12 Power-Weapon swings at I 9, which is more than enough to kill MEQ squads. Throw in furious charge and she'll have an easier time with it too.

I have to say the only thing im dissapointed about is the fact that i can no longer take assassins as auxillaries, i would had loved to use the Vindicare Assassin's rules for Mad Larkin in my Tanith IG army.

Well, they killed one Primarch, who let himself be killed. I don't ever recall reading about them killing Greater Daemons, and I know they haven't killed any C'tan. There was that one story where a Callidus failed spectacularly to kill the Deceiver, but in game the only single being I know of who's defeated a C'tan one on one is the ol' Emprar.

No one has killed a C'tan besides other C'tan or possibly the old ones. C'tan are gods. The emperor defeated the void dragon in its weakest state and still couldnt kill it. Its never stated that ferrus manus killed a C'tan just some kind of Necron construct, possibly a C'tan, possibly not. Khaine couldnt even kill the nightbringer but did make him lose his form at the time. C'tan are gods people, equivilent to the chaos gods but on the mortal plane when they are at full strength.

Now back on topic. None of the assassins are that broken or game changing. Really only the Vindi for his vehicle smashing skills. Really what hes killing 1 vehicle/model a turn at most... ? whoopty do!

DarknessEternal wrote:

Noir wrote:

No he dose not. Psychic pilot let you take a psychic test for the use of one power and vs psychic hood. It dose not make it a Psyker. Page 21 if you want.

pg 21 where it says "A vehicle with this special rule is treated as being a pskyer"?

Seems pretty cut and dry.

Face....

Laughing God wrote:
No one has killed a C'tan besides other C'tan or possibly the old ones. C'tan are gods. The emperor defeated the void dragon in its weakest state and still couldnt kill it. Its never stated that ferrus manus killed a C'tan just some kind of Necron construct, possibly a C'tan, possibly not. Khaine couldnt even kill the nightbringer but did make him lose his form at the time. C'tan are gods people, equivilent to the chaos gods but on the mortal plane when they are at full strength.

Didn't kill isn't the same as couldn't kill. There's a pretty strong hint at the Emperor outting the Void Dragon on Mars so that he'd get his alliance with the AdMech 29k years later...

Indeed, it is implied the EMperor trapped the Void Dragon on purpouse so that'd he'd get the AdMech hanging around on Mars preserving technology throughtout the Age of Strife, so he'd have a strong power base in the Solar System for the Great Crusade. The Emperor is a Living God of psychic power, and the C'Tan's only vulnerability is to psychic power. If the Emperor wanted to destroy the Void Dragon, he could have.

ChrisWWII wrote:Indeed, it is implied the EMperor trapped the Void Dragon on purpouse so that'd he'd get the AdMech hanging around on Mars preserving technology throughtout the Age of Strife, so he'd have a strong power base in the Solar System for the Great Crusade. The Emperor is a Living God of psychic power, and the C'Tan's only vulnerability is to psychic power. If the Emperor wanted to destroy the Void Dragon, he could have.

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Laughing God wrote:
No one has killed a C'tan besides other C'tan or possibly the old ones. C'tan are gods. The emperor defeated the void dragon in its weakest state and still couldnt kill it. Its never stated that ferrus manus killed a C'tan just some kind of Necron construct, possibly a C'tan, possibly not. Khaine couldnt even kill the nightbringer but did make him lose his form at the time. C'tan are gods people, equivilent to the chaos gods but on the mortal plane when they are at full strength.

Didn't kill isn't the same as couldn't kill. There's a pretty strong hint at the Emperor outting the Void Dragon on Mars so that he'd get his alliance with the AdMech 29k years later...

Void Dragon got shot with one of the Black Stone Fortresses (things were built to kill C'tan basically warpstorm shooters) that still didnt kill him but weakend him enough to put him to rest on terra, were the emperor found him and yes planted him on Mars so that its dreams would infect the people there thus giving birth to the Admech and all the warmichines the emperor would need for his crusade. But I still dont believe that the emperor could have completely destroyed the galaxies most powerful C'tan. I will just reside with the fact that its one of the many things in 40k fluff we will never know.