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@Hearne

I getcha. I mean, sometimes you can't avoid the guy that ruins all your fun, like they may be part of your local gaming group and they make you want to beat your head into the wall. Just outright ignoring them except when you absolutely can't tends to help :p

The other danger I can see in labeling people is what earned them that label may be situational.

There's two common camps of RPG players "roleplayers" and "roll players" or people who play story and aren't interested in rules, or people who just wanna throw dice with awesome stats and don't care about the story the GM is telling. Though most rpg players have a healthy dose of both and that's considered to be the better and easier to play with gamer, most people lean more towards one than the other. But they've been labeled as one so get the stigmata of either not caring about rules or ignoring story. Someone normally more interested in rules might be at the culmination of a 12 month long plot they've been running with but a single game mechanic has screwed their little red wagon but by this stage they're not interested in 'that stupid rule' whist someone else fluff wise might be intensely hot on exact mechanics because it's life or death for the character.

Some people have said here that they hate players who care more about fluff than winning. Which is fair enough because that's not going to give you a good, challenging game. Again though this 'can' be situational. Back when L5R used to run global storyline tournaments, what you did on the table effected their canon for the game world wide. I saw one guy sit down, look at the woman he'd been drawn against and conceded immediately. She'd been named at a recent national tournament as her Clan Champion. He played the same clan. He refused - in a global storyline tournament - to play, and risk beating, his Clan Champion. Had it not been a storyline game, he would have played hard to win. But anyone who had saw just that would think he's one of those guys that a few people have mentioned they can't stand but his actions were specific to the tournament being played. We keep meaning to run a planet strike campaign and even though I've not looked at it closely yet, i can see a similar thing happening. But that'll be a friendly run at home so that's okay. If someone repeatedly did it to the detriment of everyone else's game then guys, I'd be in with you and the fist waving.

And even when it's irritating repetitive, some people just grow out of it. But if they've been labeled and known as the local TFG, it can take an age to for them to lose that stigmata.

I'll admit I'm guilty of this. There are guys that when they rock up I groan, or I know they're gonna be there and dread their presence and just don't wanna play or be around them or move to another part of the shop or conveniently have to go do something else if I'm not at the LGS. I have to deal with so many stupid people at work (not my workmates, general public stupid people) and have to be nice and professional and helpful that by the time I leave the office, my tolerance for waffling, arrogance, offensiveness, even racism (gah!!! I hate that so much!!! Just cos I sound like an Anglo Saxon doesn't mean you can slag off people who aren't and I'll be okay with it!!!) and so forth is very thin.

OP perhaps there's just not more TFGs around, maybe your tolerance for it is less now so you see more people than you previously would have as TFG.

best thing to do really is just avoid people you dont mesh with, tolerate them if you have to at the end of the day.

AnGeLsOfDeAtH wrote:Well basically after reading through numerous threads on here and playing at my flgs ive been noticing that there are alot more of TFG's out there. Is this just me or have others noticed and is this turning this game into more of a challenge than a stress relief/ fun time?

In all activities involving other people, the other people can be the best or the worst thing about it.


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NagothDaCleaver wrote:Overly competitive people will ruin anyone's day. Hearing them argue and nit pick rules at the top of their lungs almost incites me to violence.

That isn't a "competitive player", that's a "git".

You can play to win without being an ass.

What about the OTHER TFG? You know, the guy who doesnt care one whit. Someone who shows up with a Hello Kitty paint theme and whoop whoops throughout the game. Seems to me, most of this thread is taken up with the powergamer/WAAC/rules lawyer types. Well, just sos yous knows...there are guys like me who may just show up with fluorescent Orks and Pastel marines. Are we TFG?

haha, fluorescent orks sound cool!

Glow in the dark would be immence to!

redeyed wrote:haha, fluorescent orks sound cool!

Glow in the dark would be immence to!

..Funny you should mention that........I have a pot of glow in the dark paint I was going to use on the edges of a mini. Pics will be forthcoming.

Harriticus wrote: the biggest problems for the game in my mind besides the obvious like the decline of miniture wargaming/the price of the hobby are people simply playing to win and not appreciating any fluff/aestetic aspect, aka those who simply make an army to win tournaments.

There are plenty of successful tournament players with lists that are perfectly fluffy. BA and SW codexes in particular are good for very powerful fluffy lists.

Harriticus wrote:Even if you don't really like the fluff and are just into the game/modelling, there should be a certain entertainment and fun factor to your army.

Is your problem with the fluff-level of the lists or the power-level? Be honest.


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Dashofpepper wrote:
TFG is not the competitive player in your shop.
TFG is the guy who cheats because he's not good enough to compete.
TFG is the guy who causes animosity because he's not good enough to compete with the competitive player.

Well said.

looking forward to the glow in le dark pictures

redeyed wrote:looking forward to the glow in le dark pictures

Is that French darkness?

[billbailey]Look at you with your Parisian darkness[/billbailey]

oui oui oui haha!

bad habit picked up amongst local friends!

anyway I should stop posting off topic hehe! (goes to browse more gallery pictures!)

My favorite TFG is the one that will talk all types of mad gak AFTER the guy they are talking about has packed up his minis and left the store.

HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA!

Sorry i havent been on in a while i geuss this thread obvisouly grew heavily. First off all i wanted to get out of this was to hopefully bring some light to some players eyes that this is just a game. I understand winning of all people i am extremely competitive, however this is a hobby not a way of life and should be treated as such. Secondly i have gotten out in the world just not in the gaming community i was in my bubble in my hometown and than joined the marine corps and quit playing. After i got married my wife encouraged me to get back in the game and have really only been playing the last 2 almost 3 years. So i am kinda new to the outside world of 40k. Third i have no problems with power list builders myself i appreciate the fluff and build my armies based on such because its a hobby to me and its a better time that way to me. Lastely i hope that there are people out there that are willing to teach new players how to play and maybe some minor painting tips and techniques just to help out the young blood that will be the new wave of gamers. So hopefully this hobby will stick around for quite a while longer.

AnGeLsOfDeAtH wrote:Sorry i havent been on in a while i geuss this thread obvisouly grew heavily. First off all i wanted to get out of this was to hopefully bring some light to some players eyes that this is just a game. I understand winning of all people i am extremely competitive, however this is a hobby not a way of life and should be treated as such. r.

The thing is though, for a lot of people it is a 'way of life'. Some people live and breathe the hobby, and many of them post on forums such as these. It's the same for any other hobby or niche interest you care to mention - I used to work in a hobby/gaming store that sold model railway stuff. The arguments that go on regarding the modelling accuracy of new kits, specs of sets (things that seen almost comical to the outsider, as I'm sure a lot of GW stuff would) would make some of the arguments on here look like 2 kittens with cotton candy boxing gloves fighting on a cloud.

So, you're getting the tip/peak of the hobby here so to speak. On the one hand, that's a wonderful thing, being able to talk with like minded individuals and see the other modelling projects on the like here. The downside is sometimes getting the blunt end of a comment from someone who places the hobby higher up their list of priorities than you do. The perspective is different for each of us, and hence the differing conceptions of people being out of line, rude, OTT or whatever.