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*raises hand* I cant stand the stuff

FITZZ wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:Clearly, FITZZ, you didn't see Sex and the City 2, or you wouldn't be making disparaging comments about the film industry.

Ahh, Right you are Monster...I didn't see it, and even though I know that that sort of film would not interest me in the least ( having seen bits of the HBO series), perhaps I should view it...as it may be the "one" that changes my mind.

Oh god, don't. I watched 15 minutes of it as a goof and couldn't stand it.

Anyway, I've studied the anime genre(medium? style?) a bit and the cultural influences on it are pretty interesting. Lots of post-disaster/apocalyptic stuff going on that relates to the nuclear bombings in WWII. It's worth looking into.

ShumaGorath wrote:Saying you dislike anime is closer to saying you dislike hollywood films then it is that you dislike zombie films.

No it is not. Again, anime isn't so generic to encompass anything when being referred to, and it has a specific style, which is why, again, when someone mentions anime, people don't think of The Triplets of Bellvue or Worker Cat and Lazy Mouse. Hollywood encompasses all forms of film-making, including animated films. Saying I don't generally care for anime doesn't mean that I don't like Japanese film as a whole, because I quite like much of Japan's live action cinema. I know you would like to steer things of course by implying racism as a motive, but I'm not really sure how that helps the argument move forward. You will also notice this is, as you pointed out, not an anime board nor is it an academic conference. We aren't going to write out a 50 page defense covering every possible permutation of a subject. We give an abstract and move on.

Perhaps if you practiced what you preached and didn't try to act superior like you accuse other gamers of doing, you would have a less exaggerated reaction to people having a different opinion.


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Monster Rain wrote:Anyway, I've studied the anime genre(medium? style?) a bit and the cultural influences on it are pretty interesting. Lots of post-disaster/apocalyptic stuff going on that relates to the nuclear bombings in WWII. It's worth looking into.

Oh absolutely. I have studied it a bit myself. In many ways the study of it is more interesting than the thing itself.

No it is not. Again, anime isn't so generic to encompass anything when being referred to, and it has a specific style, which is why, again, when someone mentions anime, people don't think of The Triplets of Bellvue or Worker Cat and Lazy Mouse. Hollywood encompasses all forms of film-making, including animated films. Saying I don't generally care for anime doesn't mean that I don't like Japanese film as a whole, because I quite like much of Japan's live action cinema. I know you would like to steer things of course by implying racism as a motive, but I'm not really sure how that helps the argument move forward. You will also notice this is, as you pointed out, not an anime board nor is it an academic conference. We aren't going to write out a 50 page defense covering every possible permutation of a subject. We give an abstract and move on.

Room for one more? Absolutely fething hate most of what I've seen. Blegh. Latent paedophilia FTL.

From what i've seen, which is the odd moment here and there, The dialogue is fairly woeful and the plots confusing (and not in a rich tapestry way more like an arbitrary double-cross kinda way).

I have seen Akira and a couple of thse ghibli ones and they often have poor dialogue and muddled plots so if they are the best then........... Infact i have a similar problem with most eastern cinema all that 'House of four flying tigers' rubbish is woeful, 'Ooohhh look at the shiny!' doesnt sustain them through their usually butt numbing length. The only piece of eastern 'period' drama i enjoyed was the film 'mongol'.

This is how I picture the average anime fan.

Most manga artists, I find, wouldn't know how to write a consistent and competently done story if it came up and kicked them in the ass....

This. I find most anime to be pretentious to the extreme.

Of course, the person with anime pics for an avatar and sig thinks it's a troll thread. I was just asking for opinions.

The DBZ thing was a joke though. Yes me and my friends used to watch it all the time back when we were younger, in between bong rips of course.

This could very well be because I can't stand manga. Western style comics are far superior to Japanese style comics in my view.

And what lovely abstracts this thread has produced. Certainly this level of intelectual wonderment is far beyond any question of value. I'll take my elite academic conference style of talking (or is it medium now?) and go to a board where it's not standard policy to call things pedophillic or talk about how fans of shows only enjoy them after sweet bong rips. Clearly this community is doing oh so well without the influence of my silly academic pretentions. Go ahead you veritable gods of intellectual discourse. Discuss. I will sit back in glaze eyed awe.

I love Anime.

Monster Rain wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:I'll take my elite academic conference style of talking

It may make you feel better to delude yourself into thinking you are writing in such a manner, but brother, you aren't.

ShumaGorath wrote:my silly academic pretentions.

There is a difference between putting on an academic pretensions and just being pretentious. I rarely get academic from your posts. Dogma, Killkrazy , and hell, even occasionally biccat, but you I get more of an ego trip, sense of moral superiority based around your love of your own intellect, which is a shame because if you could get over your narcissistic need for self glorification you would be a pretty good guy. This is compounded by the fact you simultaneously want to degrade other gamers (of which you are one, or why would you be on a gaming forum?) for something you do yourself. Which of course goes back to my theory that you are projecting your self hatred on others.

ShumaGorath wrote:Go ahead you veritable gods of intellectual discourse.

Again, it sounds more you are referring to how you see yourself.

ShumaGorath wrote:BAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

fix't.



I forgot about Akira. That was a pretty good movie, IMO.

Still don't consider myself an anime fan.

Chowderhead wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:It's funny, when I first thought about anime in the context of this thread Miyazaki didn't even cross my mind.

I love Spirited Away and Princess Mononoke.

YES! I FOUND ANOTHER!

No-one seems to have seen Mononoke. And everyone in Castle in the Sky is a pedophile.

Mononoke was good, but my favorite of his works is Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind. His son did a pretty good job with the Earthsea anime movie, too.

You know a thread has bombed when people no longer discuss the topic, but instead exchange copy pasties from their clipboards.

What were you saying about repetition?

It may make you feel better to delude yourself into thinking you are writing in such a manner, but brother, you aren't.

It was a medium, I knew it. Damn.

There is a difference between putting on an academic pretensions and just being pretentious.

Yes, pretentious and pretentions are two different things!

I rarely get academic from your posts, Dogma, Killkrazy , and hell, even occasionally biccat, but you I get more of an ego trip, sense of moral superiority based around your love of your own intellect, which is a shame because if you could get over your narcissistic need for self glorification you would be a pretty good guy.

So you almost think I'm a good guy. Meh, I'll take what I can get. Except that biccat bit. That gak cuts deep.

This is compounded by the fact you simultaneously want to degrade other gamers (of which you are one, or why would you be on a gaming forum?) for something you do yourself. Which of course goes back to my theory that you are projecting your self hatred on others.

I've said this in the past. I dislike bullies with conflicting interests. It just happens to show up here a lot because of the boards nature as a magnet for gamers (and the gaming communities general lack of self restraint or consideration). Gamers have a tendency to alienate themselves through notions of childlike disdain for others or the things they enjoy, citing themselves as superior in some way for their disinterest or hatred. The number of anti twilight threads on this board and rants I've seen in person are a strong testament to a trend that I suspect could be easily tracked statistically. Hell, one of the other top threads right now is how much "you hate everyone else". Am I really projecting my own hate on others? Take a strong look at this thread and at my posts. I am consistent. I dislike double standards. I dislike bullies. I dislike people that are illogical in their racism and unconstrained in their proselytizing. I show my hatred towards others, I wear my opinions on my sleeve quite often concerning the gaming subculture and many of it's members. I'm not projecting anything.

I'm a gamer that generally dislikes gamers for having many personality traits that I used to possess. Read into that however you will but it doesn't really change the current reality. Threads on this forum about disliking other peoples enjoyed passtimes which are reinforced with blatent trolling or illogical rants will probably have me in them pointing out double standards or social trends.

Again, it sounds more you are referring to how you see yourself.

If that were true why would I use veritable.

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:You know a thread has bombed when people no longer discuss the topic, but instead exchange copy pasties from their clipboards.

What were you saying about repetition?

This is what I get for assuming the thread couldn't have been completely derailed in less than a single page.

Oh how much I have yet to learn about the ways of threads on the Internet.

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CiaranAnnrach wrote:

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:You know a thread has bombed when people no longer discuss the topic, but instead exchange copy pasties from their clipboards.

What were you saying about repetition?

This is what I get for assuming the thread couldn't have been completely derailed in less than a single page.

Oh how much I have yet to learn about the ways of threads on the Internet.

This is page four and the derailment has been building for at least two if not from the beginning.

Meh, people can get as mad as they want. With all the anime-centric stuff on the interwebs I think asking who isn't actually into it could be reasonable. I'm just sad that Sailor Bubba didn't get more traction.

ShumaGorath wrote:

It may make you feel better to delude yourself into thinking you are writing in such a manner, but brother, you aren't.

It was a medium, I knew it. Damn.

You knew that academic writing was a medium? That doesn't even make any sense.

ShumaGorath wrote:Yes, pretentious and pretentions are two different things!

Which is why I differentiated them, shockingly, and pointed out you are being the former in this thread.

ShumaGorath wrote:So you almost think I'm a good guy. Meh, I'll take what I can get.[/i]

Generally you are bright and good natured, until inevitably you start posting about how in love with yourself you are.

ShumaGorath wrote:I dislike bullies with conflicting interests.

I agree, the problem here is that you are the one bullying. You've looked to long into the abyss it would seem.

ShumaGorath wrote:

Again, it sounds more you are referring to how you see yourself.

If that were true why would I use veritable.

Cognitive dissonance

I don't mind if people dislike anime, as long as they have reasons, if its the usual moronic hate for big eyes and pedos, you haven't watched anime, because that isn't anime, thats probably 1 episode of some obscure japanese animation which you've now judged an entire genre on, thats when I get annoyed.

it would be like someone whos never played warhammer saying the entire hobby sucks because they once spotted a RT era space marine and thought it was rubbish and decided EVERYTHING about it must be rubbish.

if you want big eyes go watch some gakky western cartoon, most of them have big eye characters, at least allot more that I've seen than most anime does

While I agree with a good deal of what you say Stella Cadente, your point about the style not being a certain way is really undercut by having a pic in your signature that is an exemplar of generic, standard anime style.

Referring to other types of animation as 'gakky' while showing an affinity for another and calling for reasonable discussion seems a bit hypocritical as well.

Me and my wife both like anime, but we aren't like fanatics or anything. We treat it like any other TV Show really.

This thread inspired me to go on Amazon and 'wishlist' a bunch of stuff... haha...

Ahtman wrote:While I agree with a good deal of what you say Stella Cadente, your point about the style not being a certain way is really undercut by having a pic in your signature that is an exemplar of generic, standard anime style.

Referring to other types of animation as 'gakky' while showing an affinity for another and calling for reasonable discussion seems a bit hypocritical as well.

did't say they all weren't like that, most serious ones aren't, and the first series of that anime wasn't, no worse than the styles hollywood uses, i'd rather see big eyes than michael bays boob and transforming trash style

CiaranAnnrach wrote:

lord commissar klimino wrote:

nectarprime wrote:

FuryTheBerserker wrote:nectarprime: "I just can't stand it."


You know that you can always be sacrificed to the Blood God right?

For some reason I don't think Khorne likes anime either....

khorne only likes blood and violence,so he probably watches hellsing.and other bloody ones.he skips to the bloody parts though.

i like anime. i will admit its hard to find a really good one but when you do its worth it.

Beserk.

Gattsu, the main character, earns the name "100 man slayer" by killing 100 armed knights/mercenaries. By himself, at one time. Khorne would love himself some Beserk.

Damn straight! Khorne loves animes and his favourite one is Berserk. He also reads the manga

<needless insult removed. Please don't speak to other users in this manner.>

CiaranAnnrach wrote:

Albatross wrote:
Wrong. One is comedy, one is drama. They are different styles. You are comparing two genres of anime (a style) to two styles of television program ( a medium). That's your error. You seem to think that by saying something is in the same style, I'm saying it's in the same genre, and so should share the same generic indicators. It's broader than that.


Animation is a medium. Anime is animation in the Japanese style. 'Sci-Fi Anime' would be the genre.

Television is the medium (roughly). Comedy is the style. Situation Comedy is the genre.


Hope this helps.

I don't think your descriptions are quite accurate. I think that when you say Television, you are actually referring to all filmed television programming that employs live actors. Otherwise, Animation is a style of Television.

...which is why I said Television was 'roughly' the medium' in this particular context - I didn't want to muddy the waters by citing the medium as 'Live-action Televisual Serial Programming', or something. I mean, some people are having enough difficulty understanding the concept as it is. Even Shuma seemed to think that 'Academic Writing' was a medium, and he's a genius. I mean, self-proclaimed, but still...

The other problem I have with this line of argument is that it assumes there cannot be any cross-over between filmed shows and animated shows in terms of genre.

Where did I say that? I didn't say that, nor would I. There is of course, significant crossover between similar genres within differing styles and mediums. Sci-Fi is an excellent example of this - Science Fiction novels, and Science Fiction films are examples of sci-fi operating as a genre within different mediums. You could have a sci-fi Anime film and a sci-fi 3D Digital Animation - that would be an example of the same genre operating within different styles, but within the same medium, 'Animated Film'.

If you accept that genres share similar characteristics, why is it so difficult to accept that styles do too, albeit in a much broader (and occasionally more difficult to define) sense?

Anime is just a subset of Animation.

Yes, a style.

But Filmed Television also has its own subsets - from being filmed live, to sitcoms, to filmed like a movie. You can perhaps call these "styles" of their respective mediums, but Comedy is not a style - it's a genre.

No, it really isn't. It's a discursive style, a style of performance, of writing. It's OK man, this stuff can be a little tricky, which is why I'm trying REALLY hard not to be an arsehole about it this time round. It can be labyrinthine - mediums within mediums, genres that encompass multiple styles, styles that encompass several mediums....


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Oh, and FuryTheBezerker, the 'R Word' is generally frowned upon 'round these parts, so I wouldn't get into the habit of using it. Just a heads-up.

If you like anime such as berserk, then another one i would suggest is basilisk.
I take anime like i take everything else watch/read the ones i enjoy and leave the rest, altough i do occasionally stick in an old 80s cyberpunk collection movie and laugh at how i took it so seriously when i was a kid.
Amazing dub

coolyo294 wrote:
I love Anime.

Fanbois gonna fanboi?

See how productive that is?

Stella Cadente wrote:
if you want big eyes go watch some gakky western cartoon, most of them have big eye characters, at least allot more that I've seen than most anime does

wut

nectarprime wrote:

Stella Cadente wrote:
if you want big eyes go watch some gakky western cartoon, most of them have big eye characters, at least allot more that I've seen than most anime does

wut

That's what he's thinking of.


Mind you ,when I think of western animation, I think of this:



Because Bruce Timm is a genius.

I don't treat anime as a separate sect of television, because I couldn't categorize anime into a group as I could any other regional television. I just treat each one as an individual, as with every cartoon and sitcom I've ever seen.

I do have a distinct dislike of super-hero comics and shows, if that counts for anything.

I'll jump on the "I dislike anime" bandwagon. But, I'll take it a step further, and say "I dislike animation".

Sure, there's a few gems in the rough. But, for the most part, anime (and animation) are full of absolutely terrible shows/movies. I have friends who enjoy some of them, but when I watch those shows, I'm not sure if my friends actually like them, or just enjoy them "ironically".

I fully respect other people's enjoyment of these shows. But, they're typically not for me.