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WarOne wrote:And if anyone has something they'd like to address, here is the perfect opportunity to do so now.
If anyone has something they feel the need to address, the PM function works 24 hours a day.
You forgot to include "you can PM me, but no guarantees if i feel like responding to you"
Every time I have PM'd a mod, I have gotten a quick response. I have also given Mods respect when I PM'd them, using proper grammar and speech, and addressing them as not equals, but as a judge. I was making my case. If you PM them with something like "ZOMG IM NOT WANT BANNED", then they will perhaps ignore it, or ban you for longer.
In short don't be a meanie to the Mods. Because they have the scissors ready to cut the Damocles sword.
I can guarantee you, when i know im getting banned for something unfair, i'll be fighting not begging.
infact, after im done saying what i need to say i always tell (HIM) to do w/e he want.
See chowderhead, im not dumb enough to not know when someone wants me gone.
Especially when they go to the length to delete what proof i had that they misread my post.
And yet, you still openly insult the people who want you gone. Huh.
Every Normal Man Must Be Tempted At Times To Spit On His Hands, Hoist That Black Flag, And Begin Slitting Throats.
I can honestly say I have not had a single bad experience with the Mod team in my one year here. Maybe its because I don't post in threads with 'My Little Pony' in the title (seriously though, what's up with that? Do you people genuinely *enjoy* that stuff?), but I find the Mod team to do exactly what I expect them to do.
They're only people. I'm 99% sure that anybody here complaining about the Mods would not be able to perform their role any better. I think some people focus too much on the negative and isolated occurrences, rather than the myriad of good the Mod team does for this site.
Just my thoughts on the matter.
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Blacksails wrote:Maybe its because I don't post in threads with 'My Little Pony' in the title (seriously though, what's up with that? Do you people genuinely *enjoy* that stuff?)
Just my thoughts on the matter.
yes, we do "enjoy" that stuff
if we didn't their wouldn't be thread about it, and said thread wouldn't be 30 pages long.
All you need to do is tolerate them.
Same way people tolerates you playing with little gray men.
It really REALLY goes both ways.
And honestly, i would make a REALLY bad mod.
If anyone of you that understands this sentence, feel free to msg me, i'll tell you the real story of what happens with FBI
and why im such an awful mod :3
"Titan BotGod Freya"
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Blacksails wrote:Maybe its because I don't post in threads with 'My Little Pony' in the title (seriously though, what's up with that? Do you people genuinely *enjoy* that stuff?)
Just my thoughts on the matter.
yes, we do "enjoy" that stuff
if we didn't their wouldn't be thread about it, and said thread wouldn't be 30 pages long.
"why do you hate that which you don't understand"
Never said I hated it. I just think its strange, is all.
Yes, I play with little army men. I just draw the line at magical cartoon ponies. Never been a fan of horses.
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Damn... I was gonna be the cool porn friendly Mod and I blew it!
@Luna -
I am not writing this as a Mod btw, but as someone who spoke to you as a 'regular' quite few times in the past. You were always cool with me, and I had my issues with a few of the same people you did.
This is the advice I have for you. There are a few strongly opinionated people running around on this site. You shouldn't be surprised that they keep turning up with the same opinion. I can only tell you you will drive yourself nuts trying to change their minds every time they pull the same stunts. At a certain point, you argue with them so much, you have so much evident anger with them, that you yourself can become the very type of 'character' that was making you crazy in the first place... It sucks, but argueing with someone who will not budge on their opinion just makes for derailed threads and warnings. I don't like seeing you so upset with the forum, and I know, I know! that you can be an awesome person to speak with. Let that shine through, and forget the people who are annoying you. Just pass them by, or at the very least, limit yourself to one politely dissenting post.
I hope the fact that I am now a Mod hasn't tainted me in your view, or made the above any less honest to you. I hope we can all get along nicely in the future.
To address a few more things -
Of course we are looking at this thread! Like I said, we actually care about you guys and the site, or we wouldn't be Mods! Don't be so surprised guys... We are all different people too... some will answer, some will just look.
Insaniak is spot on, the polite rule isn't just for the protection of kids as I may have made it seem in the previous post. If you guys think the site is full of hater vs apologist arguement now, imagine what it would be like if direct insulting were allowed... Can anyone here honestly tell me they think it will help make for better conversation to lay off the swearing and insult rules? Sure, some may prefer it for their personal taste, but even they, being reasonable, would have to admit it would not be for the benefit of most.
As to favoritism or 'ban-proof' users... Of course we cannot help liking some people we have or are close with. It would not be realistic to pretend that we don't have personal opinions or tastes that effect our judgement. No person can say that. But at the same time, no one is 'ban-proof'. No one will get a free pass for breaking the rules. I myself have been warned in the (distant) past. I myself have argued. Even if the Mod who did it agreed with me that the other person was being a total jerk, I still broke the rules in my response to him, and even if I was 'right', the rules are the rules. I accepted that, and I knew I was flirting with or over the line when I did it. Instead of writing back to the Mod screaming about how I was right, I took my medicine and apologized. In the end, it didn't gain me anything to yell at the other person anyways... So, please remember, the other 'ban-proof' party may have indeed gotten a warning or suspension too, we just keep details like that private to the user in question, just as we do for you. Don't assume nothing has happened or someone got off scott-free.
Finally, just because you are warned, or even suspended, doesn't mean you aren't welcome or we don't like you anymore... we have to apply the rules as consistently as possible, but it doesn't mean we don't have sympathies, or opinions seperate to that. And also just because someone slips up here and there, it doesn't mean we will be blind to their contributions and efforts here either. In my personal opinion, no one should be defined solely by one or a few actions. Everyone, and I mean everyone, has something cool about them. I usually find myself, and it has happened with a few, some in this very thread, that if you just talk to them about something other than the usual conflict topics, you will find they can be pretty cool, interesting people in many other ways, despite that one facet you hate. Look for the value added guys, if you try to find something to hate, usually you will find it sooner or later.
Blacksails wrote:Maybe its because I don't post in threads with 'My Little Pony' in the title (seriously though, what's up with that? Do you people genuinely *enjoy* that stuff?)
Just my thoughts on the matter.
yes, we do "enjoy" that stuff
if we didn't their wouldn't be thread about it, and said thread wouldn't be 30 pages long.
"why do you hate that which you don't understand"
Never said I hated it. I just think its strange, is all.
Yes, I play with little army men. I just draw the line at magical cartoon ponies. Never been a fan of horses.
Well, you made it seem like "ponies were the weirdest thing ever"
Sorry If I came across as a a bit "hostile"
I just hate when people aimlessly bash things they don't know about and say its the worst thing in the world just because it isn't as "normal" as playing with little plastic men.
LunaHound wrote:Especially when they go to the length to delete what proof i had that they misread my post.
Given that we generally quote to you just what it is that you've said that got you in trouble, the post being deleted makes no difference to the moderation teams reaction to it. We don't delete posts to make it impossible for you to discuss the issue... the number of PMs and emails you have exchanged with moderators in the past should be proof of that. We do it if we think it will help the thread to get back on track, and usually keep a copy of the offending post in the user's case file.
Which also serves to allow the rest of the mod team to give their opinion of it. If you're being suspended, it's not just because some moderator is out to get you. Suspensions are reviewed and discussed by the entire mod team, and there have been cases in the past where suspensions have been reduced or removed where it was decided that the punishment was more than was warranted.
I am not writing this as a Mod btw, but as someone who spoke to you as a 'regular' quite few times in the past. You were always cool with me, and I had my issues with a few of the same people you did.
This is the advice I have for you. There are a few strongly opinionated people running around on this site. You shouldn't be surprised that they keep turning up with the same opinion. I can only tell you you will drive yourself nuts trying to change their minds every time they pull the same stunts. At a certain point, you argue with them so much, you have so much evident anger with them, that you yourself can become the very type of 'character' that was making you crazy in the first place... It sucks, but argueing with someone who will not budge on their opinion just makes for derailed threads and warnings. I don't like seeing you so upset with the forum, and I know, I know! that you can be an awesome person to speak with. Let that shine through, and forget the people who are annoying you. Just pass them by, or at the very least, limit yourself to one politely dissenting post.
I know Tom... since we know each other long before you turned mod.
And people always wonder what on earth can i possibly be banned for....
But i have no strikes left, if i look at anyone funny im gone ( even though its not what i do but )
now it just feels so hopeless. I like dakka because i know so many nice people here but.... im going to be perma banned soon for anything.
Blacksails wrote:Maybe its because I don't post in threads with 'My Little Pony' in the title (seriously though, what's up with that? Do you people genuinely *enjoy* that stuff?)
Just my thoughts on the matter.
yes, we do "enjoy" that stuff
if we didn't their wouldn't be thread about it, and said thread wouldn't be 30 pages long.
"why do you hate that which you don't understand"
Never said I hated it. I just think its strange, is all.
Yes, I play with little army men. I just draw the line at magical cartoon ponies. Never been a fan of horses.
Well, you made it seem like "ponies were the weirdest thing ever"
Sorry If I came across as a a bit "hostile"
I just hate when people aimlessly bash things they don't know about and say its the worst thing in the world just because it isn't as "normal" as playing with little plastic men.
I still think its weird, but meh, who am I to pass judgement. Some people have foot fetishes, other people like mayonnaise on their ice cream. I play with plastic army men. You like magical friendship rainbow ponies. Power to you.
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Shadowbrand wrote:Wait, what Luna arguing!? *Spits on glasses and rubs them looking back at the post*
But...you don't have a mean bone in your body what the feth has been goin' on since I came back to Dakkadakka?!
Don't you know?
Calling someone "stupid" and "slowed" is ALLOWED aslong as you make claim that this is how you "feel" about the person's ideas and posts.
For example "oh thats just stupid and slowed" "but im not calling you stupid or slowed, just what you wrote"
And in the same situation, i get 3 months banned for calling someone's response "deliberately obtuse and dodging the question"
Actually, when I called someones girlfriends comment slowed, thats what started a moral lecture PM fest from a mod. Not for how I used the word- but the word itself regardless of the context.
On my quick links bar- its not DakkaDakka. Its DerpaDerpa. The quality of most of the posts has just taken a dive. How many posts a week do we see about 'wut do you uz 2 strip ur minis'? Or 'why wont my plastic glue work on this metal mini?' People use to look at the stickies and find an answer rather than making the same post someone did the day before.
@ Luna, I dont think things got any more confrontational/antagonistic here while you were gone. Rather, upon returning from your time away you noticed it because you werent used to seeing it on a regular basis. Its a trend thats been going for over a year and sadly it just seems to escalate.
Trying to make this a site for ALL gamers or ALL ages is alot of juggling, and alot of work- of which lands on the volunteer mods. The number of posters here has really grown over the years, and the mod to poster ratio is rather lopsided. This means that you might say something 'bad' 25 times and it never gets noticed, then suddenly it does get noticed and you get banned/lectured or whatever from a mod. This gives a sense of inconsistency, and can be rather frustrating. Using the 'slowed' example, its not profanity, but I was told it violated the rules even though its not actually listed anywhere in the rules. Maybe adding a few more mods, and getting them all on the same page, or at least the same book/chapter, would spread the load out a bit more and point the site in a more beneficial direction.
LunaHound wrote:But i have no strikes left, if i look at anyone funny im gone ( even though its not what i do but )
now it just feels so hopeless. I like dakka because i know so many nice people here but.... im going to be perma banned soon for anything.
We've spent a lot of time and sent a lot of messages explaining to you how to avoid that.
Ultimately, it's up to you to take responsibility for your own actions. If you choose to not change the behaviour that has earned you suspensions in the past, then you can hardly be surprised when you continue to be suspended.
Mistress of minis wrote:@ Luna, I dont think things got any more confrontational/antagonistic here while you were gone. Rather, upon returning from your time away you noticed it because you werent used to seeing it on a regular basis. Its a trend thats been going for over a year and sadly it just seems to escalate.
Mistress of minis wrote: People use to look at the stickies and find an answer ...
Yeah, that never happened, sorry. People by and large simply don't read stickies. They never have.
The change int he signal to noise ratio here is simply a side-effect of the growth of the forum. More people posting means the same topics come up more frequently. It's not a change in the type of posters, just in the sheer number of them.
Using the 'slowed' example, its not profanity, but I was told it violated the rules even though its not actually listed anywhere in the rules.
We aren't about to list every word that we consider inappropriate in the rules.
'slowed', while not generally regarded as a swear word, is one that many people find offensive when used in a derogatory fashion. Because it is such a loaded word, we prefer to discourage its use. Yes, we don't catch it every time. Probably not even most of the time... like with any other rules issue, a lot of it relies on user-alerts. And the fact that it is reported by so many users is, to our point of view, a proof that it's the right direction in this case.
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