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It was, after the great battle of the OT forum. A division of members who were -for- keeping the OT forum. I just ran it because, well a year ago I had a lot of swag and had several of the "Popular kids" putting my organization in their addy. We once dismantled a abortion thread, a thread very akin to this. You could join but you'd have to renounce any ties you have to the Broney fandom.

But we offer health care, free dental a 25% GW discount. And you get your own power axe and flamer!

bombboy1252 wrote:

Shadowbrand wrote:Yes. I am the Viking overlord who founded Doomfart many years ago to fight the corrupt modacreacy.

...I see now though in my absence the members have grown soft.

DUBS pick which forum we raid!

Whoa. Wrong forum guys.

I never did understand what doomfart was all about......

We are a radical, anti-MOD group out to bring peace and Democracy to Dakka. But mostly, we just sit around and BS on our FB page.

Shadowbrand wrote:It was, after the great battle of the OT forum. A division of members who were -for- keeping the OT forum. I just ran it because, well a year ago I had a lot of swag and had several of the "Popular kids" putting my organization in their addy. We once dismantled a abortion thread, a thread very akin to this. You could join but you'd have to renounce any ties you have to the Broney fandom.

But we offer health care, free dental a 25% GW discount. And you get your own power axe and flamer!

The 25% discount and health care is cool, so is the flamer and power axe....

But "I is what I is"

and I is a brony goodsir......

*tips hat and walks out the door of the secret underground headquarters*

Coolyo294 wrote:

bombboy1252 wrote:

Shadowbrand wrote:Yes. I am the Viking overlord who founded Doomfart many years ago to fight the corrupt modacreacy.

...I see now though in my absence the members have grown soft.

DUBS pick which forum we raid!

Whoa. Wrong forum guys.

I never did understand what doomfart was all about......

We are a radical, anti-MOD group out to bring peace and Democracy to Dakka. But mostly, we just sit around and BS on our FB page.

That made me bust out laughing, nice bud. I'm glad I got rid of my Facebook account never been a fan of social networking.

Arise men and women of D.O.O.M.F.A.R.T! I have returned to take my rightful place as lord and commander.

Pirate,Troll,hacker,and pedophile alike are welcome in my ranks!

WE MARCH!

Shadowbrand wrote:

Arise men and women of D.O.O.M.F.A.R.T! I have returned to take my rightful place as lord and commander.

Pirate,Troll,hacker,and pedophile alike are welcome in my ranks!

WE MARCH!

So you don't accept bronies but you accept pedophiles...... lol

Shadowbrand wrote:

Arise men and women of D.O.O.M.F.A.R.T! I have returned to take my rightful place as lord and commander.

Pirate,Troll,hacker,and pedophile alike are welcome in my ranks!

WE MARCH!

Why are we letting Pedobears join the glorious ranks of the D.O.O.M.F.A.R.T army?

I needed a shock attack unit in case we get attacked by lolis.

[Mod Edit - No, not even as a 'joke'.]

Which one is pedo bear?

Shadowbrand wrote:I needed a shock attack unit in case we get attacked by lolis.

[Mod Edit - No, not even as a 'joke'.]

LOLOLOLOL

That made my day.

I'm a Doomfart Alumi, and I'm a brony

I myself have been warned twice, and there is really only one person on Dakka I just. can't. discuss. ANYTHING. with, simply because I find his manners to be horrendous. Other than that, I really don't have a problem with Dakka at all.

I almost never get into arguements with people, though I suspect that that is mostly because I, unfortunately, don't post much worth anything.

Slarg232 wrote:I'm a Doomfart Alumi, and I'm a brony

I myself have been warned twice, and there is really only one person on Dakka I just. can't. discuss. ANYTHING. with, simply because I find his manners to be horrendous. Other than that, I really don't have a problem with Dakka at all.

I almost never get into arguements with people, though I suspect that that is mostly because I, unfortunately, don't post much worth anything.

So I can be part of doomfart AND be a brony.....I do enjoy being part of a "radical" group that likes to banter on facebook.

LunaHound wrote:

MajorTom11 wrote:
@Luna -

I am not writing this as a Mod btw, but as someone who spoke to you as a 'regular' quite few times in the past. You were always cool with me, and I had my issues with a few of the same people you did.

This is the advice I have for you. There are a few strongly opinionated people running around on this site. You shouldn't be surprised that they keep turning up with the same opinion. I can only tell you you will drive yourself nuts trying to change their minds every time they pull the same stunts. At a certain point, you argue with them so much, you have so much evident anger with them, that you yourself can become the very type of 'character' that was making you crazy in the first place... It sucks, but argueing with someone who will not budge on their opinion just makes for derailed threads and warnings. I don't like seeing you so upset with the forum, and I know, I know! that you can be an awesome person to speak with. Let that shine through, and forget the people who are annoying you. Just pass them by, or at the very least, limit yourself to one politely dissenting post.

I know Tom... since we know each other long before you turned mod.
And people always wonder what on earth can i possibly be banned for....

But i have no strikes left, if i look at anyone funny im gone ( even though its not what i do but )
now it just feels so hopeless. I like dakka because i know so many nice people here but.... im going to be perma banned soon for anything.

Not necessarily Luna. It's not like if things go well for months on end it wouldn't be taken into account! But I can guarantee you, that you seem so angry right now, and so resigned to it happening that you are acting in a manner that says 'The hell with it I don't care since it's going to happen anyways'. It makes you come off as aggressive, not frustrated. I think you are very frustrated myself, and I think I understand that based on our previous 'regular' talks. Trust me when I tell you that no one wants to ban anyone. But both sides can get frustrated of course! Please, if you can, please try to stop seeing any Mod as the enemy. If you truly want to stay here at Dakka, we of course want that to be that outcome so long as your stay can be a calm and friendly one.

Try to step outside of your personal feelings built up over years for a moment, and look how you spoke to Chowder in this thread. Try to imagine how it sounds to someone reading you for the first time. Try to imagine the kind of person that reader would think was writing... You have so many more sides to you than angry and combative, whatever happend that got you to this point, it is never too late to let it go and start over... you are still here!

That being said though, and this is the part so many hate... it is up to us to make final decisions on situations. It's not about being powerful, or being better than anyone, it is just the job we have here. I am not going to pretend we will always be 100% right, but in the end, if a final say has to happen, it has to come from us. In one of your responses to Chowder, you said you will not beg but fight a decision you disagree with from a Mod... but there are other options... acceptance is one... Realization that whatever it was, chances are, this being a forum about toy soldiers, that it isn't worth getting mad about anyways. The truth is Luna, we need your help more often than not, not the other way around. Sometimes, when we see a thread could get bad and derail, we ask people to stop. Most assume that is either an endorsement or condemnation or whatever argument led to the request... but really, it could just be that we feel that the argument will never end, especially if both people are known antagonists and tend to post for pages on end when they get worked up. Sometimes when we ask someone to stop, it isnt because we are telling them they are wrong or bad, it is quite simply 'Look, this may get ugly.. could you do me a solid and just let it drop for everyone else's sake, or to let the thread continue on for others instead of becoming a public arguement between a few people?' At that moment, some people think 'Feth you I am being very logical why are you picking on me???' and some think 'Ah... that other guy is an idiot, but whatever I'll do you a solid and let it go'.

Keep your head down a bit... post over in P and M, check out some fiction threads... enmesh yourself in places where absolutist arguments rarely happen and hopefully, you will be able to go long enough without any problems that you start to feel comfortable again. But honestly, and as a friend and not a Mod, you need to cool off and lower the conflict level, for yourself, before anyone else. I know you are a smart and capable girl and that you can recognize the behaviors that are getting you into trouble. I don't think, if you really look at them hard, that any of these events are really that important in and of themselves...just let all this stuff go, find positive things again. If you can swing that, not only will you be staying, but I think you will actually really enjoy it here again!

K... Tom i will post in P&M,
i was going to but i thought i shouldn't because they arnt painted >.<
it even had my first attempt of using green stuff lol

Shadowbrand wrote:Will all the brony's that have been accepted into Doomfart in my absence. Please report to the giant vat of Molson Canadian for purification.

This is not -metal-

you're right

this is

Uh.... Shadowbrand?

You recruited me.....




The mods are pretty cool people, guys, and they have hearts and all that jazz. I used to be D.O.O.M.F.A.R.T., but left since the mods were very kind enough to leave my VERY blogy, VERY personal thread open during a tough time for me, and for that, I am their man.

*Pulls out the Rum, takes a swig*

I love you guise!

Yes that is so is this.



*@Slarg* Your just made I won the Viking's vs Pirates war. *Chews on mutton as he looks at the thread*

LunaHound wrote:K... Tom i will post in P&M,
i was going to but i thought i shouldn't because they arnt painted >.<
it even had my first attempt of using green stuff lol

I GUARANTEE you that will be much more enjoyable and fulfilling than arguing with you know who lol

insaniak wrote:'slowed', while not generally regarded as a swear word, is one that many people find offensive when used in a derogatory fashion. Because it is such a loaded word, we prefer to discourage its use. Yes, we don't catch it every time. Probably not even most of the time... like with any other rules issue, a lot of it relies on user-alerts. And the fact that it is reported by so many users is, to our point of view, a proof that it's the right direction in this case.

Which is a nonsense in itself.

1. People don't have the right to not be offended. And if you are offended... what happens? Nothing. Other than getting over it.
2. It doesn't allow for the natural way the meanings of words change over time. Do you know the different uses of the word 'fa--g--got'*? Do you know how many different things it means? slow fits the same bill. It doesn't just have one meaning - look it up - so to censor it after the fact (as it's not in the word filter) just strikes me as a bit... well... slowed**!


*I had to put the dashes in there because the word filter won't let me use that word otherwise, which kinda proves the point I'm making when you feel about it. Hell, I can't even type it without the 'got' at the end, because it changes it to cigarette, which is hilarious!
**The word 'slowed', in this context, being used to describe something that 'hinders' or 'impedes', one of the word's 5 possible meanings that I can find at short notice.

Mistress of minis wrote:
Actually, when I called someones girlfriends comment slowed, thats what started a moral lecture PM fest from a mod. Not for how I used the word- but the word itself regardless of the context.

I have to agree with the mods that the use of 'slowed' outside of discussing chemical reactions is pretty derogatory when you stop and think about it.

On my quick links bar- its not DakkaDakka. Its DerpaDerpa. The quality of most of the posts has just taken a dive. How many posts a week do we see about 'wut do you uz 2 strip ur minis'? Or 'why wont my plastic glue work on this metal mini?' People use to look at the stickies and find an answer rather than making the same post someone did the day before.

Interestingly enough, you're not the first person to have voiced this complaint. You're also not the first person I've heard offer it and be quick to state that it's one of the reasons why they've given up posting here so much. I agree with you completely though, I feel like the quality of posts on DD has kind of gone downhill from even just a year ago. There's two things that can be blamed though for it. There's the influx of new posters, sure, which is a problem because they need educating on proper forum etiquette, but there's also the abandonment of older posters who were the ones usually providing the quality posts. In short, I'm saying that by giving up on the forum and not posting here much anymore, you're not making things better.

Besides, I always enjoyed your posts in P&M. You do good works.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

insaniak wrote:'slowed', while not generally regarded as a swear word, is one that many people find offensive when used in a derogatory fashion. Because it is such a loaded word, we prefer to discourage its use. Yes, we don't catch it every time. Probably not even most of the time... like with any other rules issue, a lot of it relies on user-alerts. And the fact that it is reported by so many users is, to our point of view, a proof that it's the right direction in this case.

Which is a nonsense in itself.

1. People don't have the right to not be offended. And if you are offended... what happens? Nothing. Other than getting over it.
2. It doesn't allow for the natural way the meanings of words change over time. Do you know the different uses of the word 'fa--g--got'? Do you know how many different things it means? slow fits the same bill. It doesn't just have one meaning - look it up, so to censor it after the fact (as it's not in the word filter) just strikes me as a bit... well... slowed*!


*The word 'slowed', in this context, being used to describe something that 'hinders' or 'impedes', one of the word's 5 possible meanings that I can find at short notice.

Yes, but it does offend people, and offending people is being rude, read: rule 1 of dakka

As a complete aside, I love Luna's phrasing there - 'turned Mod', as if Tom was bitten by something and is no longer human.


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bombboy1252 wrote:Yes, but it does offend people, and offending people is being rude, read: rule 1 of dakka

I find using a specific word to be offensive. That word is 'the'. Everyone who uses 'the' should be banned because I find it offensive, and being offensive is being rude, and being rude is against the rules.



You see how dumb that is??? Actually no - let me start again:

Do you see how slowed (in this context: obstructive/what a hindrance) that is? People can be offended by anything, and if we allow 'being offended' to dictate everything here then nothing works.

I find Brony's offensive.

And carrots. Feth carrots!

H.B.M.C. wrote:As a complete aside, I love Luna's phrasing there - 'turned Mod', as if Tom was bitten by something and is no longer human.


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bombboy1252 wrote:Yes, but it does offend people, and offending people is being rude, read: rule 1 of dakka

I find using a specific word to be offensive. That word is 'the'. Everyone who uses 'the' should be banned because I find it offensive, and being offensive is being rule, and being rude is against the rules.



You see how dumb that is???

That's not the same thing, theirs a good number of people that get offended by the word "slowed" if its directed at them.

But in you're example you are the only person the doesn't like the word "the"

Their is a difference,

I'll give you two examples:

1. That's a slowed way of thinking!
In this context, 'slowed' is being used to demonstrate how that person's way of thinking is obstructive to whatever the subject happens to be.

2. You'd have to be slowed to think that way!
In this context 'slowed' is being used as a comparison device, that is to say the person is comparing the thinker with someone who has medical retardation.

One is offensive as the word is being used in a pejorative manner. One is a simple (and correct) use of the word. Guess which one is which.

H.B.M.C. wrote:I'll give you two examples:

1. That's a slowed way of thinking!
In this context, 'slowed' is being used to demonstrate how that person's way of thinking is obstructive to whatever the subject happens to be.

2. You'd have to be slowed to think that way!
In this context 'slowed' is being used as a comparison device, that is to say the person is comparing the thinker with someone who has medical retardation.

One is offensive as the word is being used in a pejorative manner. One is a simple (and correct) use of the word. Guess which one is which.

example 1. can also be taken like example 2 though,

they may be referring his way of thinking to that of a mentally ill person...

Correct, but who is to say that other than the person making the post?

And this is my point exactly:

Anyone can be offended by anything. Being offended is subjective. My first example, in the context of obstruction (which is one of the definition of 'slow'), that comment is inoffensive. The way Dakka works though, if 99 people understood that and 1 person felt 'offended' that would be enough to get the poster warned, the post edited and so on.

That's why 'being offended' is never a good way to operate.

Or to put it another way.

H.B.M.C. wrote:1. People don't have the right to not be offended. And if you are offended... what happens? Nothing. Other than getting over it.

That's a two-way street. We ask people to try to respect the opinions and feelings of other posters because that makes the forum a less unpleasant place to be. Which, ultimately, is what all of our moderation is about.

**The word 'slowed', in this context, being used to describe something that 'hinders' or 'impedes', one of the word's 5 possible meanings that I can find at short notice.

Illustrating exactly why it isn't automatically filtered. It's the context that makes the word offensive or not.

H.B.M.C. wrote:I find using a specific word to be offensive. That word is 'the'. Everyone who uses 'the' should be banned because I find it offensive, and being offensive is being rude, and being rude is against the rules.

And this is why we have human moderators interpreting the rules instead of leaving it up to a computer program that deals in absolutes.

Do you see how slowed (in this context: obstructive/what a hindrance) that is? People can be offended by anything, and if we allow 'being offended' to dictate everything here then nothing works.

Sure, 'people' can be offended by anything. And we can't possibly run the forum in a way that ensures that nobody will ever be offended by anything.

What we can do though is try to find the road that leads to a level of needless antagonism or possible offense that is at least tolerable for the masses. The forum is a community of people from all over the world. We look for a middle ground where those people can all come together and share the same space with the least possible amount of conflict... because, ultimately, we're all here to kick back and talk about our hobby, and that should be relaxing, not a walk through the dark, dark woods at midnight.

Lol, I have a bad case of mod-leprocy now I guess HBMC lol

On topic to the word 'slow'

I love that word. I use it far too often IRL. I think it is downright bloody musical. I also don't personally really picture someone with a genetic disorder when I say it... it is just a descriptive word implying stupidity to me... which is in and of itself kind of stupid I suppose lol.

The thing is, I used it once talking about something with someone we all know and is generally really liked here. I sure like him. I threw it out as casually as you all mention you did, as a descriptor to an event, not as an insult to a person.

I was pretty shocked when this well liked person told me he was offended by it... I asked him why with a 'lol'... Turns out, I had no idea he even had kids, but he didn't like it because his daughter has downs and the word just wasn't funny at all to him. It is a word that in his view, makes his daughter small and diminished, and he loves that girl. He doesn't like a word that limits and excludes her.

What the hell do you say to that??? Hey dude you are wrong? He's not. To us it is a slang word, not an insult to a group of people. It doesn't mean that much to us. Most the time maybe that is even true. But my God people, to this guy, it hurts like hell. I'll be damned if I use it again too, because I would rather give up the 1000 times I think it would be funny or sassy to say it than risk hurting my friend in regards to his child even once.

It's not always as easy as it seems guys... again, please trust us that if we say a word isn't acceptable, there is a pretty good reason why. Some of you may think that is too soft or that this person should tough up, but that isn't how we roll at Dakka. Try to remember, one day, that attitude may protect you too, instead of just taking away a word you don't really need anyways.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Correct, but who is to say that other than the person making the post?

Everybody who reads it.

That's the point here. What you meant when you wrote what you did is ultimately secondary to how people are going to read it. We can't read your mind... we just have to rely on what you wrote, and our own interpretation of it.

Which is exactly why we ask people to make that extra effort to be inoffensive. The written word is easily misconstrued.