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DeathReaper wrote:

ObliviousBlueCaboose wrote:...Again, since they are the recruits first going into battle, they will have theoretical knowledge of how to fight. Vets and ST, will have practical experience on how to fight.

I will concede the scouts will have a fighting chance against the vets. However, with the superior training and experience of a sstormtrooper, plus the superior weapons they have, would wipe the floor with the scouts.

#1 Scouts are battle trained, they have much experience, probably the same amount as the Vets for the guard.

#2 The weapons scouts have are superior, not the other way around, Scouts can carry a missile launcher or Heavy Bolter, and their Boltguns are all very lethal.

Remember that ST's are the IG's equivalent of SEALs/SAS, except even moreso. These guys have lived and breathed military training since birth, and seen more conflict than most humans could possibly imagine. At the least each guy is as well experienced as most Scout Sergeants, possibly more.

Don't forget that the ST's and Vets generally have access to a greater number and variety of weapons than Scout Squads.

Don't use the Sergeants. Many Scout Sergeants stay at their rank for centuries to teach the new recruits. No IG will top that.
And while the IG Vets and STs *may* have more variety (the scout sergeants get combo-meltas, power fists, power weapons, plasma pistols, combo-plasmas, and power fists. Normal scouts get heavy bolters, normal bolters, sniper rifles, and missile launchers.)

They have about the same number of weapons as a ST, but a heavy bolter and ML are better than a grenade launcher and flamer.

Elector wrote:Don't use the Sergeants. Many Scout Sergeants stay at their rank for centuries to teach the new recruits. No IG will top that.

You never know, there's all sorts of rejuvenat treatments and cybernetic options for extending the life of useful soldiers

And while the IG Vets and STs *may* have more variety (the scout sergeants get combo-meltas, power fists, power weapons, plasma pistols, combo-plasmas, and power fists. Normal scouts get heavy bolters, normal bolters, sniper rifles, and missile launchers.)

They have about the same number of weapons as a ST, but a heavy bolter and ML are better than a grenade launcher and flamer.

Keep in mind that ST's can have 2 plasma/melta weapons plus a PP, Vets can have 3, a heavy weapon, and a PP, and of course stuff like demo charges and meltabombs.

I agree that once Scout Sergeants and Wolf Scouts get brought into the discussion, it skews it on the side of the Astartes. However, While the Scouts do have experience to warrant their induction into the Marines, the experience is mostly in survival and tribal conflicts, not high-tech warfare against denizens of chaos and xenos.

That's fine,

Since this is either 1v1 or 10v10 match between the two sides. Where survival is pretty important.

(And while they may last longer than normal, that's generally for high-ranking officers or the rich. You don't live long in the Imperial Guard without coming away with some scars that could hinder you severely.

So they might be living a bit over a hundred, but a Scout Sergeant could be training recruits for over 3 centuries, possibly more, depending on the Chapter.)

Vaktathi wrote:

DeathReaper wrote:

ObliviousBlueCaboose wrote:...Again, since they are the recruits first going into battle, they will have theoretical knowledge of how to fight. Vets and ST, will have practical experience on how to fight.

I will concede the scouts will have a fighting chance against the vets. However, with the superior training and experience of a sstormtrooper, plus the superior weapons they have, would wipe the floor with the scouts.

#1 Scouts are battle trained, they have much experience, probably the same amount as the Vets for the guard.

#2 The weapons scouts have are superior, not the other way around, Scouts can carry a missile launcher or Heavy Bolter, and their Boltguns are all very lethal.

Remember that ST's are the IG's equivalent of SEALs/SAS, except even moreso. These guys have lived and breathed military training since birth, and seen more conflict than most humans could possibly imagine. At the least each guy is as well experienced as most Scout Sergeants, possibly more.

Don't forget that the ST's and Vets generally have access to a greater number and variety of weapons than Scout Squads.

Scout sergeants are veterans, just like termies. A sergeant usually has several hundred years of experience.


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acekevin8412 wrote:I agree that once Scout Sergeants and Wolf Scouts get brought into the discussion, it skews it on the side of the Astartes. However, While the Scouts do have experience to warrant their induction into the Marines, the experience is mostly in survival and tribal conflicts, not high-tech warfare against denizens of chaos and xenos.

Except you could remain a scout until ~50-60 years old.

Keep in mind that ST's can have 2 plasma/melta weapons plus a PP, Vets can have 3, a heavy weapon, and a PP, and of course stuff like demo charges and meltabombs.

Irrelevant. A Scout has a camo-cloak and a Stalker-pattern boltgun. The ST's head vaporizes. Battle's over.

This is what Scouts *do*. It is the role they fill for the Astartes. Infiltrate enemy lines, execute clandestine operations, assassinate enemy leaders and important personnel and destroy lines of supply.

Say what you will about the training of ST and IG Vets. The former, especially, is very good... but they're not Space Marines.