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Where are you getting these prices/numbers from Luna?

SilverMK2 wrote:Where are you getting these prices/numbers from Luna?

Its easier for me to reply by asking these questions i think. ( because its not the math behind it, rather, the concept )

" Do you guys know where the savings come from within these Megaforces"
" Do you think they are all discounted, or the savings came from the Battle Forces and such units incorporated into the Megaforce?"

This is why its very important to factor in Battleforce price for Battle Force units.

OR ELSE. There is no point, you could just buy battle force, and the rest of the none BF units in their standard price.

Since we have no price point to work from for USD, it's kinda silly to extrapolate from that.

Kanluwen wrote:Since we have no price point to work from for USD, it's kinda silly to extrapolate from that.

No its not silly because.

1) Which ever country currency i did the country of, still stands.

2) Currency means nothing in a concept. UNLESS you felt they would only apply it to one country.

But no, i bet this concept is used on all countries.

If I were to buy the Marine Mega Awesome Boxed Set of Awesome (tm) myself for €175,00 I'd save up €90,50 as the actual value of included models is:

Space Marine commander: € 17,50
Command squad: €30,00
Venerable Dreadnought: €35,00
Tactical Squads: €60,00 (€30,00 per boxed set)
Scouts: €20,00
Drop pod: €26,00
Land Speeder Storm: €25,00
Redeemer: €52,00

Total: €265,50
Saved dosh: €90,50

LunaHound wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Since we have no price point to work from for USD, it's kinda silly to extrapolate from that.

No its not silly because.

1) Which ever country currency i did the country of, still stands.

2) Currency means nothing in a concept. UNLESS you felt they would only apply it to one country.

But no, i bet this concept is used on all countries.

BrookM wrote:If I were to buy the Marine Mega Awesome Boxed Set of Awesome (tm) myself for €175,00 I'd save up €90,50 as the actual value of included models is:

Space Marine commander: € 17,50
Command squad: €30,00
Venerable Dreadnought: €35,00
Tactical Squads: €60,00 (€30,00 per boxed set)
Scouts: €20,00
Drop pod: €26,00
Land Speeder Storm: €25,00
Redeemer: €52,00

Total: €265,50
Saved dosh: €90,50

This Space Marine deal, i can tell it works without any calculations.
If only due to the amount of none BattleForce units contained within it.

Lessee now, the Dark Eldar contents. Again, €175,00 for the whole deal.

Wyches: €45,50 (two boxed sets)
Warriors: €22,75
Raider: €26,00
Venom: €25,00
Reavers: €81,75 (three boxed sets)
Scourges: €22,50
Ravager: 39,00

Grand total: €262,50
Saved dosh: €87,50

Luna, the only thing missing from the Megaforce is a Rhino.

Know facts before you speak.

Chowderhead wrote:Luna, the only thing missing from the Megaforce is a Rhino.

Know facts before you speak.

I said it was a good deal. If its missing a Rhino, then its even a better deal.

Whats the problem?

You are looking at this thing completely the wrong way.

I can substitute everything as X and Y for all it matters Earth is still heavier than moon, if i missed a few tons its not going to change the fact.

It's all gibberish to me. I just see a massive discount that setting off the old radar.

LunaHound wrote:This is why its very important to factor in Battleforce price for Battle Force units.

OR ELSE. There is no point, you could just buy battle force, and the rest of the none BF units in their standard price.

That has frequently been the case with GW's bundle deals over the years. They don't always give you that much (if any) of a saving.

LunaHound wrote:

SilverMK2 wrote:Where are you getting these prices/numbers from Luna?

Its easier for me to reply by asking these questions i think. ( because its not the math behind it, rather, the concept )

No, it is easier for you to tell me where you are pulling these numbers/units from

LunaHound wrote:20x wyches, $43.82
10x warriors $21.91
1x Raider $24.88
9x Jetbikes $78.57
............................................ $169.18 of Battle Force Price


1x Ravager $49.59
1x venom, $30
5x Soucrges $25
............................................$104.59 MSRP Grand Total of $273.77

Not only are you not saving on the 2 , you are paying $1.23 to get privilege of having a Venom Scourge and Ravager in this combo.

My points still stands. For anyone that understand the significance of the 2 variation of prices used.

I don't know if I'm doing it way wrong or what, but I'm coming up with $298.50 for the contents of the megaforce.

What Luna is saying is that if you take the components of the battleforce (note: battleforce, not megaforce) that are included in the megaforce and then add in the other units units included in the megaforce, then typically there isn't much of a deal as buying a battleforce + the OTHER items included in the megaforce would be similar to the price of the megaforce itself.

Kind of confusing, I know.

I can still hear crickets in Cananda regarding this.

Not sure why we had to have a big mystery surrounding that.

So...

Battleforce price + the other stuff vs. New Megaforce price.

That Space Marine megaforce is a bit of a clusterfeth.

A land raider and a land speeder storm, but no rhino?

Alpharius wrote:Not sure why we had to have a big mystery surrounding that.

So...

Battleforce price + the other stuff vs. New Megaforce price.

Since you asked so nicely Alpharius, here it is done up in GBP as it's a known price point:
Going off the UK site's listed price, looking at individual boxes.
3x Reaver boxes are 64.50
3x infantry boxes(2 Wyches 1 Kabalite Warrior) are 54.
A single box of Scourges is 15.50
Raider is 20.50
Ravager is 31.
Venom is 18.50.
Total price: 204 GBP

Going off the UK Games Workshop site's listed price, starting with a Battleforce as the core.
Battleforce(contains the Raider, 1x box of Wyches, 1x box of Reavers, 1x box of Warriors) is 60
A box of Wyches is 18
Scourges is 15.5
Ravager is 31
2x boxes of Reavers is 43
Venom is 18.50
Total: 186 GBP

The Megaforce, as Brook already confirmed, is 130 GBP.

You save 56 versus buying the Battleforce and extra components.
You save 74 versus buying the components by themselves.

Also bear in mind, this is just for the Dark Eldar one as it's the only one I'm actually considering buying.

The Fragile Breath wrote:I don't know if I'm doing it way wrong or what, but I'm coming up with $298.50 for the contents of the megaforce.

Weird. unless my original calculation is off, the price you quoted is still the number i get.

Lt. Coldfire wrote:What Luna is saying is that if you take the components of the battleforce (note: battleforce, not megaforce) that are included in the megaforce and then add in the other units units included in the megaforce, then typically there isn't much of a deal as buying a battleforce + the OTHER items included in the megaforce would be similar to the price of the megaforce itself.

Kind of confusing, I know.

I can still hear crickets in Cananda regarding this.

YES THIS THIS THIS

insaniak wrote:

LunaHound wrote:This is why its very important to factor in Battleforce price for Battle Force units.

OR ELSE. There is no point, you could just buy battle force, and the rest of the none BF units in their standard price.

That has frequently been the case with GW's bundle deals over the years. They don't always give you that much (if any) of a saving.

YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES , that or you pay EXTRA $1.23 OMG YES.

THANK GOD

BrookM wrote:Skaven: Screaming bell, warp lightning cannon, two rat ogres + rat swarms, twenty plague monks, two blocks of old ratmen, two blocks of new models. 113 models total.

Ugh, those guys are horrible. This was the only one that was niggling at me and (thank God) I have no desire whatsoever to buy it after seeing that.

Weird. unless my original calculation is off, the price you quoted is still the number i get.

Your calcs are assuming you can get the contents of the battleforces seperately at battle force prices -- thats the problem I have with your calcs. You'd have to buy multiple battleforces and sell off the other contents to get the wyches and bikes at those rates. Certainly doable and perhaps a better deal if you want everything in 2-3 battleforces -- but not a fair comparison imo.

Battleforce price + the other stuff vs. New Megaforce price.

Already done several times by myself and others:
1 battleforce + 1 ravager + 1 venom + 1 box of wyches + 2 boxes of bikes + 1 scourge = $298

vs

whatever the megaforce ends up being in US (which based on AUS of the megaforce and comparable items we know the price of for both US/AUS -- it should be around 210-250)

winterman wrote:

Weird. unless my original calculation is off, the price you quoted is still the number i get.

Your calcs are assuming you can get the contents of the battleforces seperately at battle force prices -- thats the problem I have with your calcs. You'd have to buy multiple battleforces and sell off the other contents to get the wyches and bikes at those rates. Certainly doable and perhaps a better deal if you want everything in 2-3 battleforces -- but not a fair comparison imo.

Battleforce price + the other stuff vs. New Megaforce price.

Already done several times by myself and others:
1 battleforce + 1 ravager + 1 venom + 1 box of wyches + 2 boxes of bikes + 1 scourge = $298

vs

whatever the megaforce ends up being in US (which based on AUS of the megaforce and comparable items we know the price of for both US/AUS -- it should be around 210-250)

And sir, this is how GW succeed. The amount of BattleForce unit doesn't add up to the standard quantity.
This is how they throw you off in your calculations. The price silvermk2 asked is the adjusted price. And why its so important in this whole concept because it prevents people from getting confused.

Anyways, i presented my case, many understood, my work is done.

The price, the country, and the content matters not. What matter is whether people understand the concept, and use it as a tool to tailor their purchase list.
And that's all that is important to me. The rest is up to people's free will in how they spend their money, something I have zero intention of challenging.

The price matters because at the end of the day that is what you are looking at...

The concept is simple - is what you get from the battleforce and other "boxed deals" plus individual kits to make up the numbers better or cheaper than the megaforce armies.

The answer seems to be that to get the same kits as the megaforce armies through either individual kits or some combination of battleforces and individual kits is quite a bit cheaper, "adjusted price" (whatever that means - you still have not explained where you got your numbers from which is kind of important - I can pull numbers out of thin air as easily as the next guy ).

Now, whether those megaforces are "better" in terms of providing what you would want and what you may need is a completely different issue.

I'm so confused right now...

purplefood wrote:I'm so confused right now...

Me too. I have absolutely no idea what LunaHound is getting at.

purplefood wrote:I'm so confused right now...

nectarprime wrote:

purplefood wrote:I'm so confused right now...

Me too. I have absolutely no idea what LunaHound is getting at.

Look at the this page's 18th post ( my post and 2 quotes )

nectarprime wrote:

purplefood wrote:I'm so confused right now...

Me too. I have absolutely no idea what LunaHound is getting at.

It's the following:

Since both the Battleforce and Megaforce share similar components (which are at a discount from regular retail price), it's important to compare the discounted prices to see if it's a better deal to buy a Battleforce vs a Megaforce. The reason you do this is because both save you money when compared to retail, so you may want to know which of the two discounted items saves you more money per item.

As such, Luna has deduced the cost/model of any product shared by the Battleforce and the Megaforce, and compared the two, showing that the Battleforce is actually a better deal if you purchase the Battleforce and then supplement that purchase with non-discounted retail purchases (to reach a similar composition to the Megaforce).

At least that's how I understood it.

Now, the question was brought up about whether you actually get the same number of models in a single purchase of the Battleforce vs. Megaforce. In other words, just because you're getting a better deal per model by buying the Battleforce and some retail items, are you really getting a better deal if you try to exactly copy the contents of a Megaforce using this method?

*Ninja'd

LunaHound wrote:

purplefood wrote:I'm so confused right now...

nectarprime wrote:

purplefood wrote:I'm so confused right now...

Me too. I have absolutely no idea what LunaHound is getting at.

Look at the this page's 18th post ( my post and 2 quotes )

That confuses me even more...


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Xca|iber wrote:

nectarprime wrote:

purplefood wrote:I'm so confused right now...

Me too. I have absolutely no idea what LunaHound is getting at.

It's the following:

Since both the Battleforce and Megaforce share similar components (which are at a discount from regular retail price), it's important to compare the discounted prices to see if it's a better deal to buy a Battleforce vs a Megaforce. The reason you do this is because both save you money when compared to retail, so you may want to know which of the two discounted items saves you more money per item.

As such, Luna has deduced the cost/model of any product shared by the Battleforce and the Megaforce, and compared the two, showing that the Battleforce is actually a better deal if you purchase the Battleforce and then supplement that purchase with non-discounted retail purchases (to reach a similar composition to the Megaforce).

At least that's how I understood it.

Now, the question was brought up about whether you actually get the same number of models in a single purchase of the Battleforce vs. Megaforce. In other words, just because you're getting a better deal per model by buying the Battleforce and some retail items, are you really getting a better deal if you try to exactly copy the contents of a Megaforce using this method?

*Ninja'd

Okay that makes more sense.
I still don't get why Lunahound broke it down into cost per model...
Shouldn't it simply be broken down into cost per total unit/box?

And sir, this is how GW succeed. The amount of BattleForce unit doesn't add up to the standard quantity.
This is how they throw you off in your calculations. The price silvermk2 asked is the adjusted price. And why its so important in this whole concept because it prevents people from getting confused.

If I could buy wyches and reavers at battle force prices without the other stuff (like warriors, in which I only want 10) then you'd be correct. But I can't. I'd be stuck with at least 10 warriors (more if I wanted 9 reavers at battelforce prices) and then have to sell or trade to get the value you are ascribing to the wyches.

For me (and hopefully anyone buying the megaforce) the megaforce is a better deal.

Its why your calcs are a tad misleading -- they are only accurate for those willing to buy multiple battleforces to get those savings.

You are 100% correct Xca|iber

purplefood wrote:
Okay that makes more sense.
I still don't get why Lunahound broke it down into cost per model...
Shouldn't it simply be broken down into cost per total unit/box?

Because i took the effort to go 1 step further to make it simpler for you guys.
And because I know GW will never have the "balls" to make the quantity same which will make it all too obvious and easy to spot.