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mattyrm wrote:
I have conclusively proven that the police did indeed use totally unnecessary force.

Because you can fight a wolf.




Have I told you lately that I love you, Matty?

ShumaGorath wrote:

The point is, even If you are alone, if you are over the age of 16 and you are that scared by an irate dog you feel the need to shoot it, you are a girly man.

I would happily fight any dog with my bare hands. Even a Pit-bull or a Rottweiler or a fething wolf or something. I mean, I'm willing to bet i may have a severe limp and a requirement for stitches by the end of a brawl with a Pitbull, but I would be confident. A fully grown man should be able to kill almost any dog if it really comes down to it.

But a dog that is only knee high, and said grown man is with numerous colleagues, all armed with a guns and big sticks!? Do me a favour!

This. This right here.

When Shuma and Frazzled agree on something, then the righteousnous of that statement is not in doubt.

mattyrm wrote:Thus, ignoring everything else in the thread I have conclusively proven that the police did indeed use totally unnecessary force.

I am surprised that (or ignorant of) no one has made the argument he could have maced the dog if he felt threatened.

AustonT wrote:

mattyrm wrote:Thus, ignoring everything else in the thread I have conclusively proven that the police did indeed use totally unnecessary force.

I am surprised that (or ignorant of) no one has made the argument he could have maced the dog if he felt threatened.

I was thinking it, but I went with the angle of noting extreme poster bias. Mace is also incredibly destructive to dogs, though less so then bullets.

They also could of just gotten on one knee, talked quietly and nicely, and pat its head. It's a fething puppy of a small breed of dog.


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Albatross wrote:Because you can fight a wolf.




Have I told you lately that I love you, Matty?

I'm confident in my ability to fight breeds of non bigwolf dogs. Wolves are bigwolf dogs though, so that'd be a tossup! Matty could fight a tiger.

And we are back to cats.

AustonT wrote:And we are back to cats.

I <3 cats.

Wow guys. Really? Not wanting to fight a dog makes you a girly man?

Sure then, I'm a girly man. I'm also not stupid.

Rented Tritium wrote:Wow guys. Really? Not wanting to fight a dog makes you a girly man?

Sure then, I'm a girly man. I'm also not stupid.

He will not fight dogs to prove his manly power. Everyone point at this man and laugh!

Up to your knee is not a small dog. You can fit 80 pounds of dog under your knee in some breeds.

Also are we talking shoulder or head? Any exaggeration? If it's 2 or 3 inches above the knee, that represents a pretty big increase in power.


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But really it doesn't matter because I'm not gonna fight a dog of any size.

Rented Tritium wrote:Up to your knee is not a small dog. You can fit 80 pounds of dog under your knee in some breeds.

Also are we talking shoulder or head? Any exaggeration? If it's 2 or 3 inches above the knee, that represents a pretty big increase in power.


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But really it doesn't matter because I'm not gonna fight a dog of any size.

It's the sport of kings.

ShumaGorath wrote:

Albatross wrote:Because you can fight a wolf.




Have I told you lately that I love you, Matty?

I'm confident in my ability to fight breeds of non bigwolf dogs. Wolves are bigwolf dogs though, so that'd be a tossup! Matty could fight a tiger.

Matty once fought a woman twice his size, armed only with chips. True story.


Incidentally, I agree with you about the whole 'fighting a dog' thing - I wouldn't relish it, but it's definitely do-able . Give me a nightstick, on the other hand, and it wouldn't even be a contest.

Suppose it depends where your knees are. My wife is 5'1 and my mothers toy poodles come up to her knee, vicous animals poodles.
But I get your point. I still maintain he could have called animal control and waited unless the dog attacked him, and he has more than one less than lethal solution on his belt. Any one of those five shots (presumably from a 9mm) could have either overpenetrated or flat out missed and killed someone. I would love to see a picture of the scene to look at his backdrop.

ITT wargaming forum denizens tell of their ability to best rottweilers in unarmed single combat.

Where's Golden Eyed Scout when you need him?

I wouldn't chance it on rotweiller...that'll be two cans of pepper and wait for the oner to show up to nal him with the biggest citation I can

Monster Rain wrote:ITT wargaming forum denizens tell of their ability to best rottweilers in unarmed single combat.

Where's Golden Eyed Scout when you need him?

Pah! That punk kid just made gak up, Im all man!

Im over in the states soon, meet me In LA, bring a camera.

...........

and a Rottweiler!

Rented Tritium wrote:Wow guys. Really? Not wanting to fight a dog makes you a girly man?

Sure then, I'm a girly man. I'm also not stupid.

Yea, thats pretty stupid actually. A ricochet can kill someone, and the idiot pulling a gun on a barking dog (O origially typed dad, thats amazingly appropriate in my case) is just the kind of idiot to get someone kiled. . Biffy the wonder shetland collie puppy isn't.

It screams incompetence. Seriously.


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Rented Tritium wrote:Up to your knee is not a small dog. You can fit 80 pounds of dog under your knee in some breeds.

Also are we talking shoulder or head? Any exaggeration? If it's 2 or 3 inches above the knee, that represents a pretty big increase in power.


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But really it doesn't matter because I'm not gonna fight a dog of any size.

really, outside of a fatass basset hound, name one. A baby can outurn a basset hound.

The closest I can think of thats a danger would be a pure blood British version pit bull, but even they are taller than that. Further, if its just barking its not a threat. Its just, you know barking - the dog version of yelling at you.


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Rented Tritium wrote:Up to your knee is not a small dog. You can fit 80 pounds of dog under your knee in some breeds.

Also are we talking shoulder or head? Any exaggeration? If it's 2 or 3 inches above the knee, that represents a pretty big increase in power.


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But really it doesn't matter because I'm not gonna fight a dog of any size.

So if a chihuahua comes at you you're ok with blasting away with the Mossberg? Wo....

mattyrm wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:ITT wargaming forum denizens tell of their ability to best rottweilers in unarmed single combat.

Where's Golden Eyed Scout when you need him?

Pah! That punk kid just made gak up, Im all man!

Im over in the states soon, meet me In LA, bring a camera.

...........

and a Rottweiler!

GES is probably fighting a dog right now. Also, if you're ever up in the Maine area Matty we should get a brew. Not that you ever would be, this place is a blasted hellscape of frost.

mattyrm wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:ITT wargaming forum denizens tell of their ability to best rottweilers in unarmed single combat.

Where's Golden Eyed Scout when you need him?

Pah! That punk kid just made gak up, Im all man!

Im over in the states soon, meet me In LA, bring a camera.

I am in that area, I'd love to meet up. Did they train you in how to fight a dog in the Military? We got a couple classes on it, but no real practical application.

I'd rather avoid a "Michael Vick" situation and just get pissed instead. Though I will say that if Michael Vick had been fighting those dogs with his own bare hands it would have been a much more interesting news story.

Albatross wrote:

mattyrm wrote:
I have conclusively proven that the police did indeed use totally unnecessary force.

Because you can fight a wolf.

Have I told you lately that I love you, Matty?

Mate, a wolf only has one primary weapon, all you do is, you offer it up your arm, and then GOUGE ITS fething EYES OUT!

Or, say your stuck on the Arctic Tundra right? And your only wearing a Tshirt because...er.. you were flying to somewhere nice like Hawaii but you crash landed in Northern Canada.

You find a wolf right, you get into a grip of death with it, and then jam your hand into its mouth, and then when it tries to chow down on your hand, instead of withdrawing your hand instinctively causing severe bleeding, what you do is, your ball your fist and then using as much force as possible ram your fist down its throat, and you keep on pushing and pushing and the dog asphyxiates.

And then you keep pushing until your hand pretty much pops out of its arse, and then you just sorta leave it on there, and then go and find yourself another wolf and repeat the process, and then you basically have two awesome arm warmers.

So your tshirt has turned into a jumper.

Not only have I just killed the two wolves, I have added extra insulation to my dress and I am fully prepared for the Winter.

mattyrm wrote:

Albatross wrote:

mattyrm wrote:
I have conclusively proven that the police did indeed use totally unnecessary force.

Because you can fight a wolf.

Have I told you lately that I love you, Matty?

Mate, a wolf only has one primary weapon, all you do is, you offer it up your arm, and then GOUGE ITS fething EYES OUT!

Or, say your stuck on the Arctic Tundra right? And your only wearing a Tshirt because...er.. you were flying to somewhere nice like Hawaii but you crash landed in Northern Canada.

You find a wolf right, you get into a grip of death with it, and then jam your hand into its mouth, and then when it tries to chow down on your hand, instead of withdrawing your hand instinctively causing severe bleeding, what you do is, your ball your fist and then using as much force as possible ram your fist down its throat, and you keep on pushing and pushing and the dog asphyxiates.

And then you keep pushing until your hand pretty much pops out of its arse, and then you just sorta leave it on there, and then go and find yourself another wolf and repeat the process, and then you basically have two awesome arm warmers.

So your tshirt has turned into a jumper.

Not only have I just killed the two wolves, I have added extra insulation to my dress and I am fully prepared for the Winter.

Matty's lying. He never killed a wolf. He's just being charitable to the wolf's feelings.
Wolves, sensing the natural manliness of Matty, stay north now. Thats why wolves don't come down south any more, out of fear.

Monster Rain wrote:

mattyrm wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:ITT wargaming forum denizens tell of their ability to best rottweilers in unarmed single combat.

Where's Golden Eyed Scout when you need him?

Pah! That punk kid just made gak up, Im all man!

Im over in the states soon, meet me In LA, bring a camera.

I am in that area, I'd love to meet up. Did they train you in how to fight a dog in the Military? We got a couple classes on it, but no real practical application.

I'd rather avoid a "Michael Vick" situation and just get pissed instead. Though I will say that if Michael Vick had been fighting those dogs with his own bare hands it would have been a much more interesting news story.

Are you in CA mate? Im doing Santa Barbara, LA, San Diego (Stone brewery!)

mattyrm wrote:

Albatross wrote:

mattyrm wrote:
I have conclusively proven that the police did indeed use totally unnecessary force.

Because you can fight a wolf.

Have I told you lately that I love you, Matty?

Mate, a wolf only has one primary weapon, all you do is, you offer it up your arm, and then GOUGE ITS fething EYES OUT!

Or, say your stuck on the Arctic Tundra right? And your only wearing a Tshirt because...er.. you were flying to somewhere nice like Hawaii but you crash landed in Northern Canada.

You find a wolf right, you get into a grip of death with it, and then jam your hand into its mouth, and then when it tries to chow down on your hand, instead of withdrawing your hand instinctively causing severe bleeding, what you do is, your ball your fist and then using as much force as possible ram your fist down its throat, and you keep on pushing and pushing and the dog asphyxiates.

And then you keep pushing until your hand pretty much pops out of its arse, and then you just sorta leave it on there, and then go and find yourself another wolf and repeat the process, and then you basically have two awesome arm warmers.

So your tshirt has turned into a jumper.

Not only have I just killed the two wolves, I have added extra insulation to my dress and I am fully prepared for the Winter.

Wouldn't it be easier just to pick it up and smash it into something? If it's got a firm grip on your limb one would think you would then have the leverage to just smack it into a tree. Combative dogs aren't very hard to pick up in my experience, they don't fight the act.

ShumaGorath wrote:

Rented Tritium wrote:Wow guys. Really? Not wanting to fight a dog makes you a girly man?

Sure then, I'm a girly man. I'm also not stupid.

He will not fight dogs to prove his manly power. Everyone point at this man and laugh!

Puny! /points and laughs


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ShumaGorath wrote:

mattyrm wrote:

Albatross wrote:

mattyrm wrote:
I have conclusively proven that the police did indeed use totally unnecessary force.

Because you can fight a wolf.

Have I told you lately that I love you, Matty?

Mate, a wolf only has one primary weapon, all you do is, you offer it up your arm, and then GOUGE ITS fething EYES OUT!

Or, say your stuck on the Arctic Tundra right? And your only wearing a Tshirt because...er.. you were flying to somewhere nice like Hawaii but you crash landed in Northern Canada.

You find a wolf right, you get into a grip of death with it, and then jam your hand into its mouth, and then when it tries to chow down on your hand, instead of withdrawing your hand instinctively causing severe bleeding, what you do is, your ball your fist and then using as much force as possible ram your fist down its throat, and you keep on pushing and pushing and the dog asphyxiates.

And then you keep pushing until your hand pretty much pops out of its arse, and then you just sorta leave it on there, and then go and find yourself another wolf and repeat the process, and then you basically have two awesome arm warmers.

So your tshirt has turned into a jumper.

Not only have I just killed the two wolves, I have added extra insulation to my dress and I am fully prepared for the Winter.

Wouldn't it be easier just to pick it up and smash it into something? If it's got a firm grip on your limb one would think you would then have the leverage to just smack it into a tree. Combative dogs aren't very hard to pick up in my experience, they don't fight the act.

Yeah you could just pick it up and then swing it into a bear or something... But you want it for your sleeve's so that's a waste of a Wolf.


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Oh and all joking aside, I really was serious about the whole man v dog thing. Even if you dont feel confident fighting a dog, a cop with several other cops, all of them armed, have no need at all to shoot the dog.

poda_t wrote:I don't think you appreciate just how badly a dog can savage you. Coming up to your knees is more than big enough.

It probably will be more than enough if the victim was either elderly, young, or not capable of defending him/herself. A dog that comes up to your hip is reasonable shooting at if it's about to attack you. But anything smaller can be dealt with using a heavy/hard and blunt object. A police officer can easily handle such a dog as being reported shot without a gun. A police officer should be responsible when doing things like this. Sometimes some of them aren't.

mattyrm wrote: The point is, even If you are alone, if you are over the age of 16 and you are that scared by an irate dog you feel the need to shoot it, you are a girly man.

I would happily fight any dog with my bare hands. Even a Pit-bull or a Rottweiler or a fething wolf or something. I mean, I'm willing to bet i may have a severe limp and a requirement for stitches by the end of a brawl with a Pitbull, but I would be confident. A fully grown man should be able to kill almost any dog if it really comes down to it.

But a dog that is only knee high, and said grown man is with numerous colleagues, all armed with a guns and big sticks!? Do me a favour!

Thus, ignoring everything else in the thread I have conclusively proven that the police did indeed use totally unnecessary force.

On a less serious note: Did I ever tell you about the time I wrestled a Grizzly Bear for two days and three night's bare handed? True Story.

Frazzled wrote:really, outside of a fatass basset hound, name one. A baby can outurn a basset hound.

The closest I can think of thats a danger would be a pure blood British version pit bull.

I went to the garage and measured, my knee is about 21inches. That puts boxers, and American pit bull terriers in the running for both "knee high" and "80lbs" but they'd have to be on the thick side. I'm sure other dogs fit that description but in any case I'd say they were the exception rather than the rule.
As a side note I didn't know there was a pure blooded British pit bull, which is rather silly. I learned something today...that the English bull terrier is the ugliest dog on the planet.

AustonT wrote:

Frazzled wrote:really, outside of a fatass basset hound, name one. A baby can outurn a basset hound.

The closest I can think of thats a danger would be a pure blood British version pit bull.

I went to the garage and measured, my knee is about 21inches. That puts boxers, and American pit bull terriers in the running for both "knee high" and "80lbs" but they'd have to be on the thick side. I'm sure other dogs fit that description but in any case I'd say they were the exception rather than the rule.
As a side note I didn't know there was a pure blooded British pit bull, which is rather silly. I learned something today...that the English bull terrier is the ugliest dog on the planet.

It's adorable. You are insane.

ShumaGorath wrote:

AustonT wrote:

Frazzled wrote:really, outside of a fatass basset hound, name one. A baby can outurn a basset hound.

The closest I can think of thats a danger would be a pure blood British version pit bull.

I went to the garage and measured, my knee is about 21inches. That puts boxers, and American pit bull terriers in the running for both "knee high" and "80lbs" but they'd have to be on the thick side. I'm sure other dogs fit that description but in any case I'd say they were the exception rather than the rule.
As a side note I didn't know there was a pure blooded British pit bull, which is rather silly. I learned something today...that the English bull terrier is the ugliest dog on the planet.

It's adorable. You are insane.

In confused, are we onto a running contest now?!

AustonT wrote:

Frazzled wrote:really, outside of a fatass basset hound, name one. A baby can outurn a basset hound.

The closest I can think of thats a danger would be a pure blood British version pit bull.

I went to the garage and measured, my knee is about 21inches. That puts boxers, and American pit bull terriers in the running for both "knee high" and "80lbs" but they'd have to be on the thick side. I'm sure other dogs fit that description but in any case I'd say they were the exception rather than the rule.
As a side note I didn't know there was a pure blooded British pit bull, which is rather silly. I learned something today...that the English bull terrier is the ugliest dog on the planet.

No it doesn't American bull terriers are larger than that. British bull terriers are shorter. It is of course natural that an American pit bul is bigger.

It would have to be a short boxer. In the instance I again will be clear. If a dog is threatening and is a threat then appropriate action can be taken. IN the OP the dog was not a physical threat (its crap small) and was actually backing off barking. Thats animal control or even better a stern "shut up and go home!" No call for playing target practice.


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ShumaGorath wrote:

AustonT wrote:

Frazzled wrote:really, outside of a fatass basset hound, name one. A baby can outurn a basset hound.

The closest I can think of thats a danger would be a pure blood British version pit bull.

I went to the garage and measured, my knee is about 21inches. That puts boxers, and American pit bull terriers in the running for both "knee high" and "80lbs" but they'd have to be on the thick side. I'm sure other dogs fit that description but in any case I'd say they were the exception rather than the rule.
As a side note I didn't know there was a pure blooded British pit bull, which is rather silly. I learned something today...that the English bull terrier is the ugliest dog on the planet.

It's adorable. You are insane.

You may be thinking of different animals. Birtish bull terriers are ugly,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bull_Terrier

British Bull Dogs are also ugly but, as noted adorable.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulldog

THis one's especially cute (unless you're a Nazi)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winston_Churchill

Matty I be in Seattle this coming Jan. You can come up and drool over my arsenal of um....well...I'm fully prepared for the melt down. Frazz be there to to tote my gofbag of weapons... need his weiner dogs for inner security

Who in their right mind is going unarm to wrestle wolves...2nd round to a grizzly....

I was looking at the right dog fraz. It's adorably stupid looking.