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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/12/11 07:38:41
Subject: The GW store closures begin
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Death-Dealing Ultramarine Devastator
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Hey I like painting 40k Models. Playing games here and there. I've been around since 3rd edition, well off and on. But prices do increase but on the level GW does, is a little off. Plus they seem to ignore what the customers want. You learn from your mistakes. I don't hate GW I just think they are not listening to the consumers. Finecast was a BIG mistake, yet GW still gets rid of metal. How many people would be fine with it being plastic at the same price? No, that won't do. Instead we will make a model that is not of a higher quality and charge your more. That is just a move to save money I guess, GW pissed many people off. I feel meh because I know the finecast won't make it forever.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/12/11 07:54:21
Subject: Re:The GW store closures begin
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Crazed Bloodkine
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mikhaila wrote:Considering how many different people have talked to me in the last two weeks about opening stores in Baltimore, I don't think the area will be hurting for long. May get substantially better for gaming in fact.
Can you elaborate on that? Like solid plans for some stores? Or is it just people putting out hypothetical feelers and asking for what it takes to start it up?
I ask because any hobby shop opening in my backyard would be awesome.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/12/11 08:24:49
Subject: The GW store closures begin
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Norn Queen
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XCom wrote:Finecast was a BIG mistake, yet GW still gets rid of metal. How many people would be fine with it being plastic at the same price? No, that won't do. Instead we will make a model that is not of a higher quality and charge your more. That is just a move to save money I guess, GW pissed many people off. I feel meh because I know the finecast won't make it forever. You don't seem to understand the main difference between plastic anf metal/resin molds. Metal/resin molds are rubber spin cast molds. These are very cheap to make, but need replacing regularly. They are excellent for models you don't expect to sell a lot of, because while they're cheaper make and produce models for, the fact that they get replaced regularly means the cost of producing the models is constant. This is fine for what they use them for. Die cut plastic injection molds are serious business. They cost an absolute gakton to make initially, but they don't degrade very much. Occasionally one will break and need repairing/replacing, but they are pretty much make mold, produce models until the company dies. They are expensive to make, IIRC the figure floating around for the type GW uses was $10,000 per mold. Consider that every large sprue is a mold, and complex plastic kits reach 3-4 sprues sometimes. These are what you use for things you expect to sell a lot of, because once the mold is made, all you're doing is maintaining is and buying plastic to run through it. The up front cost is dampened over time. Then there's the detail difference. Forgetting the finecast hype, rubber spin cast molds let them do sculpting techniques you can't do with plastic molds for better levels of detail, like undercuts. The new Fantasy range of plastic characters is a very odd move - though very well received by the customerbase. But look at what they're producing, minor generic heroes that anyone with said army can fit into their collection, on sprues cut to fit 4 different characters. They can write off poor sales for one or two if the rest sell well. This isn't something they could do with, say, Dark Eldar Wracks which, if they don't end up selling as well as needed (which is what they expect, and why they went finecast), they can't make the money back on the expensive mold. GW uses finecast for models they don't expect to sell in the quantities needed to make a good profit on a plastic mold, or models they expect to change on some way or another (look at the Tyranids, they have significant range alterations almost every edition for their metals). GW simply cannot, and should not, move all metal production to plastic. Finecast is the replacement, and they're not going to back out. This sort of thing is a business decision, and despite what you think of the managment, they do know whats going on and how their bottom line is being affected. They wouldn't have built a company worth 120 million pounds if they didn't.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/12/11 08:28:36
Subject: The GW store closures begin
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Stealthy Warhound Titan Princeps
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-Loki- wrote:XCom wrote:Finecast was a BIG mistake, yet GW still gets rid of metal. How many people would be fine with it being plastic at the same price? No, that won't do. Instead we will make a model that is not of a higher quality and charge your more. That is just a move to save money I guess, GW pissed many people off. I feel meh because I know the finecast won't make it forever.
You don't seem to understand the main different between plastic anf metal/resin molds.
Metal/resin molds are rubber spin cast molds. These are very cheap to make, but need replacing regularly. They are excellent for models you don't expect to sell a lot of, because while they're cheaper make and produce models for, the fact that they get replaced regularly means the cost of producing the models is constant. This is fine for what they use them for.
Die cut plastic injection molds are serious business. They cost an absolute shitton to make initially, but they don't degrade very much. Occasionally one will break and need repairing/replacing, but they are pretty much make mold, produce models until the company dies. They are expensive to make, IIRC the figure floating around for the type GW uses was $10,000 per mold. Consider that every large sprue is a mold, and complex plastic kits reach 3-4 sprues sometimes. These are what you use for things you expect to sell a lot of, because once the mold is made, all you're doing is maintaining is and buying plastic to run through it. The up front cost is dampened over time.
GW uses finecast for models they don't expect to sell in the quantities needed to make a good profit on a plastic mold, or models they expect to change on some way or another (look at the Tyranids, they have significant range alterations almost every edition for their metals). GW simply cannot move all metal production to plastic. Finecast is the replacement, and they're not going to back out. This sort of thing is a business decision, and despite what you think of the managment, they do know whats going on and how their bottom line is being affected. They wouldn't have built a company worth 120 million pounds if they didn't.
The only way to stop finecast is to not buy it.
I'm personally never going to purchase a finecast model. I'll ebay what I need, convert what I need, or bring in something from another model range if needed. Your right, management sees the bottom line. They saw metal was expensive, and decided to switch to finecast. Once it becomes apparent that the terrible quality of finecast is lowering sales below the money saved by switching to finecast, we may see a re-release of metal models.
I liked the metal guys. Sure, they were hard to convert / work with, but I cannot recall a time where I got a miscast metal model.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/12/11 08:35:08
Subject: The GW store closures begin
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Norn Queen
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Horst wrote:The only way to stop finecast is to not buy it. Which will require everyone not buying it. Which won't happen, because the majority of their customer base seems to be happy with it. Message board populations are not the majority of their customers. There's plenty of customers, even adult customers, out there that play GW games without posting on message boards at all. Without getting those people to stop buying them as well, you're not going to make any difference. There's also the fact that most of the people that gripe about finecast on messageboards still buy the models. It's all well and good saying you'll never buy a finecast model, but starting a Tomb Kings, Ogre Kingdom or Dark Eldar army without buying any finecast models is pretty much not possible without putting serious time into conversions. And it'll happen like this for all future army releases. Not buying finecast will do nothing to stop GW converting more stuff to it, because it's not possible to get enough people to stop buying it to make GW take notice.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/12/11 08:37:41
Subject: Re:The GW store closures begin
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Stealthy Warhound Titan Princeps
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Well I play space marines, and the only other armies I'd ever be interested in playing are GK or IG, which are both either plastic or have forgeworld models available, so honestly its very easy for me to say I'll never use finecast.
People can do what they want, but I'll never buy it
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/12/11 08:41:03
Subject: The GW store closures begin
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Are people still experiencing bad quality finecast?
The ones I got from the first release were terrible (I went through 7 Queek Headtakers!), but they seem pretty solid lately.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/12/11 09:10:37
Subject: The GW store closures begin
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Leaping Dog Warrior
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Yeah some of the fine cast I have bought lately have been fantastic. But the original versions were horrible. I still love GW stuff but the one thing that stops me buying rediculous amounts of "plastic crack" is painting time.
I bought An airbrush two days ago, when I walked into a GW store today I showed them some of the work I had done. So they eventually found out I was using an airbrush. That was when the gak hit the fan, they told me that "their" products, should be painted with "their" paints, and "their" spray gun. I will no longer be supporting GW stores, I will still buy their products every now and again. But as of today I am only buying from FLGS. I still love their models, but their business model is killing me.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/12/11 10:24:31
Subject: The GW store closures begin
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Plummeting Black Templar Thunderhawk Pilot
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My only finecast problems have been small holes in the models...these were stupidly easy to remedy by either filling them with liquid gs or just making them bigger or into chips in the armour and calling it battle damage
I honestly don't see what people don't like about it, it's no more problematic than FW in my experience.
And it seems I am lucky with my local GW, the manager there is rather lenient...we get away with using non GW glues and brushes in store without any gripe...we even have the occasional talk about other companies products
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/12/11 12:32:52
Subject: The GW store closures begin
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-Loki- wrote:Horst wrote:The only way to stop finecast is to not buy it.
Which will require everyone not buying it. Which won't happen, because the majority of their customer base seems to be happy with it. Message board populations are not the majority of their customers. There's plenty of customers, even adult customers, out there that play GW games without posting on message boards at all. Without getting those people to stop buying them as well, you're not going to make any difference.
There's also the fact that most of the people that gripe about finecast on messageboards still buy the models. It's all well and good saying you'll never buy a finecast model, but starting a Tomb Kings, Ogre Kingdom or Dark Eldar army without buying any finecast models is pretty much not possible without putting serious time into conversions. And it'll happen like this for all future army releases.
Not buying finecast will do nothing to stop GW converting more stuff to it, because it's not possible to get enough people to stop buying it to make GW take notice.
You seem to be assuming that the "non-messaging" part of the community are all having a happy problem-free finecast experience and not independently complaining or boycotting? Surely there is an equal possibility that people who do not use forums can still see a pile of toss when it is handed to them? Consumers have been complaining successfully for years before ever the internerds existed. They may be doing that even now.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/12/11 13:00:11
Subject: Re:The GW store closures begin
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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mikhaila wrote:
There's a lot of reasons why they might be closing the store. Foremost is that the lease is up. It may not be a good place to keep a GW store, especially if there are a lot of empty shops in the center, especially a dead Borders. Rent is negotiable in this economy. GW may just be closing that store, re-evaluting the Baltimore area and deciding if they want another store nearby, or it they are good with the stores they have.
Considering how many different people have talked to me in the last two weeks about opening stores in Baltimore, I don't think the area will be hurting for long. May get substantially better for gaming in fact.
The shopping center is not ideal in certain respects. It is not right off of 695, and foot traffic is not good. However, it is fuller than it has been in decades. I think there are two empty slots, Borders being one of them. It has a Kohls, a Michaels, and a new grocery. However, as you stated rent
is negotiable, so the lease being up could work in their favor.
I think that this is a case of GW just soaking the local economy for what it is worth and then moving on.
It would be great if a new gaming store opened in Bmore. Most stores around here lack gaming space. White Marsh is tiny and only has a couple of tables. The same is true for Collectors Corner. One of the problems is the oppressive business laws in Maryland. Businesses pay tax on their inventory and on their property. Thus, even gaming tables are taxed, ... every year. Big companies like GW can get around this by shifting stuff around, but little guys stuck with the bill. The price of rent also makes it hard to justify devoting space to gaming. It is quite sad.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/12/11 17:45:40
Subject: The GW store closures begin
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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LazzurusMan wrote:
I honestly don't see what people don't like about it, it's no more problematic than FW in my experience.
Then you must not have much experience with FW at all. FW has nowhere near the issues that the finecast line has.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/12/11 22:52:20
Subject: Re:The GW store closures begin
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Sadistic Inquisitorial Excruciator
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Once it becomes apparent that the terrible quality of finecast is lowering sales below the money saved by switching to finecast, we may see a re-release of metal models.
Expect a price rise higher than Finecast then, because the price of metal is skyrocketing.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/12/11 22:55:01
Subject: The GW store closures begin
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Plummeting Black Templar Thunderhawk Pilot
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inquisitorlewis wrote:LazzurusMan wrote:
I honestly don't see what people don't like about it, it's no more problematic than FW in my experience.
Then you must not have much experience with FW at all. FW has nowhere near the issues that the finecast line has.
I've only ever bought 1 model from FW...had a major miscast on the eye, around the trench coat and a small tear in the resin.
I definitely will be buying from them in the future...but none of the finecast models I have had were as bad as that :/
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/12/11 23:07:47
Subject: The GW store closures begin
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Fair enough. Occasionally FW will have issues but for the most part they are pretty decent.
Also good to hear positive reports of finecast products.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/12/12 00:52:47
Subject: The GW store closures begin
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Powerful Irongut
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inquisitorlewis wrote:Also good to hear positive reports of finecast products.
I was livid when I got a finecast butcher, bought online, and found that it was an absolutely perfect cast, and much better detail than the metal butcher I already have.
I thought about complaining anyway, in the hope of getting a free model
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/12/12 05:47:00
Subject: The GW store closures begin
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Unstoppable Bloodthirster of Khorne
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Tech Guard wrote:Yeah some of the fine cast I have bought lately have been fantastic. But the original versions were horrible. I still love GW stuff but the one thing that stops me buying rediculous amounts of "plastic crack" is painting time.
I bought An airbrush two days ago, when I walked into a GW store today I showed them some of the work I had done. So they eventually found out I was using an airbrush. That was when the gak hit the fan, they told me that "their" products, should be painted with "their" paints, and "their" spray gun. I will no longer be supporting GW stores, I will still buy their products every now and again. But as of today I am only buying from FLGS. I still love their models, but their business model is killing me.
Which store? Which staff?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/12/12 06:39:14
Subject: Re:The GW store closures begin
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Xeno-Hating Inquisitorial Excruciator
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Going to back to an older post:
Games Sanctuary was a dirty store, with hardly any product, and a lot of older stuff for OOP games. Their game room was small and dingy and they charged for playing on the tables.
Alternate Worlds had a small selection of product, and relied upon volunteers to run games on Sundays and push product. When Yorkridge opened up rather than keep selling, they just stopped carrying the product on the belief that they would not keep up sales. Alternate Worlds was my first regular comic store, and it is a small, clean store, but no real room for gaming. I ran GW games there and they tried to get me to run DnD 3.5.
Legends of Towson is where I first got started in Warhammer and 40K. The owner Randy is a nice guy, and I consider him a friend. Unfortunately for him he had employees who were not honest or diligent, and the store went through some ups and downs. He started in TowsonTown Mall, moved to a location down the street, had both open at one time, then permanently moved out of the mall. The York Road location was fantastic...dirty and dingy, but a great crowd and an upstairs gaming room that you could hang out in, and after hours have beer and 40K. I ran games and DnD for Randy. Eventually he moved across the street, and three things happened. First, he had limited gaming area. Second, the card gamers took over the gaming space, and most of his hardcore players graduated from high school and college. Oh, and no parking. I also had to stop running games for him.With the up and down overall sales of the store, and some shifty trade managers at GW, Randy finally decided enough was enough for Warhammer and 40K. He has since moved the store onto Joppa Road near the Wal Mart, attached to his wife's Thai restaurant, Spice and Dice. He has no gaming space except for some private tables in the back that can be used for card gaming and DnD.
And that's about it for the Towson area. Collector's Corner is in an edgy neighborhood ( you can find a hooker after gaming hours), and like Legends it looks like the card gamers are dominant there, but the staff are nice. The main table for 40k is in a cramped room, but they can set up tables in the back gaming room.
Other than that, aside from White Marsh I think there was a GW store in Owings Mills. That's about it north of Baltimore, though there is Critical Hit games in Bel Air. Now south of the city there's Games and Stuff, but I've only gone to tournaments there. I've heard rumors of a new store opening up somewhere nearer to the highway intersections.....ok I know there is but I am sworn to secrecy.
I almost bought out Randy in the early 2000's, and I am glad I did not because I would not have been successful.
What's the secret about a successful FLGS???? Recruit recruit recruit. Get new people to get into gaming. Stock all the product so they will make immediate impulse purchaes. Hold great events and invite people and promote promote promote. In the end it is a ton of hard work, and unless you are really good at it ( like Showcase is, and how Games and Stuff seems to be), you'll fail. It has nothing to do with whether a GW is nearby or not, because a good FLGS with alot of gaming area always beats a GW store.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/12/12 07:32:43
Subject: The GW store closures begin
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Leaping Dog Warrior
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Scipio.au: I'd like not to say, even though they pissed me off it is really GW that is speaking. I really don't want to land any body in $hit. After all it is their job, they are just complying to a set of rules [even if these rules are a bit linient sometimes]. I recently found another GW that is much friendlier, Maybe that store was just a bad egg. But after my experiences I will be more hesitant to step into a GW.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/12/12 08:54:34
Subject: The GW store closures begin
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You will get some gak-heads who work in GW and absolutely believe the company line (aka "True believers"). I'm still waiting for GW to release their own distilled bottled water for the purpose of thinning THEIR paints (naturally for use with THEIR brushes and THEIR water pot). I probably ran into another of that salesperson's clonekin years ago. He also maintained that I should be using their brushes with their paints as their brushes were formulated to work better with the paints than other companies' brushes.
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I'm OVER 50 (and so far over everyone's BS, too).
Old enough to know better, young enough to not give a ****.
That is not dead which can eternal lie ...
... and yet, with strange aeons, even death may die.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/12/12 09:17:36
Subject: The GW store closures begin
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Unstoppable Bloodthirster of Khorne
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Tech Guard wrote:Scipio.au: I'd like not to say, even though they pissed me off it is really GW that is speaking. I really don't want to land any body in $hit. After all it is their job, they are just complying to a set of rules [even if these rules are a bit linient sometimes]. I recently found another GW that is much friendlier, Maybe that store was just a bad egg. But after my experiences I will be more hesitant to step into a GW.
Well, their job is to push and promote their product and "the Games Workshop Hobby". That in no way extends to telling customers which paints or spray guns they should be using, particularly in a rude manner. Given that their spray gun is only any good for base coating, and that any GW employee with half a brain knows where airbrushes fit into our hobby (overlap with the gun but does so much more.) - not to mention that their paints work in an airbrush (though I wouldn't recommend them) and Game Colour looks identical to Citadel anyway. If it went down in the way you described, they way overstepped the line.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/12/12 09:35:56
Subject: The GW store closures begin
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Wrathful Warlord Titan Commander
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Citadel paints and Paintbrushes are formulated to work together for the best results you say?
Hmmm I use them? Then why do my miniatures look like they were painted by a cack handed idiot?
Must have a duff(finecast) batch or somink?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/12/12 09:42:49
Subject: The GW store closures begin
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Joined the Military for Authentic Experience
On an Express Elevator to Hell!!
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chromedog wrote:You will get some gak-heads who work in GW and absolutely believe the company line.
I'm still waiting for GW to release their own distilled bottled water for the purpose of thinning THEIR paints (naturally for use with THEIR brushes and THEIR water pot).
I think that's next year's April fool sorted right?
Regarding people only complaining, I thought that was one of the core principles of having good customer relationships? That if someone complains about something they will tell ten people, whereas with a good experience they will tell just one? The problem is also that as a consumer you have to expect the quality to be of a certain standard, and when it is not, then it's only fair that you make a stink about it. This time last year everyone was buying metal miniatures quite happily, with an extremely low failure rate (and normally these were because the incorrect components had been packed, rather than a casting problem). That situation has now changed.
Are GW happy with this level of QC? The fact that the miscasts are still coming so far into the release makes me think that they must be, otherwise it would have been rectified. However whichever way you look at it, the forum community makes up only a minority of wargamers. There are probably thousands of kids who will receive botched casts this year for Christmas but will be none the wiser as they have nothing else to make a comparison to. By the time they start to explore the hobby more fully, and start typing 'finecast' into google, then it doesn't matter as they are probably moving outside of GW's target demographic anyway and have already spent a pile of cash.
Sorry for this massively cynical post and I really hope it is not the case, but the way the company has gone on for the last few years, and having heard the contempt with which the upper-echelons of the company view their customer base, makes me think there is every possibility that it is correct.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/12/12 09:48:07
Subject: The GW store closures begin
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Shas'o Commanding the Hunter Kadre
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chromedog wrote:He also maintained that I should be using their brushes with their paints as their brushes were formulated to work better with the paints than other companies' brushes.
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How does that even work?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/12/12 10:08:08
Subject: The GW store closures begin
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Excellent Exalted Champion of Chaos
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Sidstyler wrote:chromedog wrote:He also maintained that I should be using their brushes with their paints as their brushes were formulated to work better with the paints than other companies' brushes.
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How does that even work?
GW raises their own sables under the FineSable brand! The rodents are raised on only the finest of foods and water imported from glaciers in the North Pole!
you can't make a sable brush behave differently with any particular product. Acrylic paint will all behave the same when being brushed with the same brush. It's not like their paint has ground up pixy wings in it that allow it magical properties that only their brushes will bring out.
My $4 kolinsky sable brushes are just as good as W&N series 7's and are better than GW's magic pixy dust brushes.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/12/12 10:11:12
Subject: The GW store closures begin
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Using Object Source Lighting
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Sidstyler wrote:chromedog wrote:He also maintained that I should be using their brushes with their paints as their brushes were formulated to work better with the paints than other companies' brushes.
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How does that even work?
You need to buy GW to figure that out
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/12/12 20:29:45
Subject: Re:The GW store closures begin
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KGatch113 wrote:
Other than that, aside from White Marsh I think there was a GW store in Owings Mills. That's about it north of Baltimore, though there is Critical Hit games in Bel Air. Now south of the city there's Games and Stuff, but I've only gone to tournaments there. I've heard rumors of a new store opening up somewhere nearer to the highway intersections.....ok I know there is but I am sworn to secrecy.
Clarification... There IS a GW store in Owings Mills.  Yorkridge refugees should definitely stop by... Dave, the store manager, is very nice and easy to talk to.
Besides, with the store located in between a Starbucks and a Baskin Robbins, you can't lose. There is a pizza place and a chinese restaurant in the same center, plus a grocery, liquor, and pet store. A Home Depot is located one block over. It is very easy to "run errands" and just happen to end up in that very shopping center!
Hey KGatch113, if you have any more you can share, I'd love to know. Is it a GW? I love the local GW, but sometimes, would like to play something else! LOL
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/12/12 20:54:18
Subject: Re:The GW store closures begin
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Drone without a Controller
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Thanks for the info about solo GW stores--I can't fault John personally for following company policy, but the policy did hamper my ability to use the store.
I wish GW were more consistently lenient about exchanges. Another big factor in not shopping there was the guilt trip I'd get over exchanging some ork stuff for eldar or the like. My FLGS (which is The Game Vault in Fredericksburg VA) happily exchanged over $400 of ork products for other stuff. That's why I travel 100 miles to visit my favorite game store, I guess.
I also really wish GW would get off their high horse about 3rd party stuff. If I could but army painter products locally I would have.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/12/12 22:14:29
Subject: The GW store closures begin
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Dearest OP,
You don't know what you're talking about. Here's why:
1) Yorkridge: It's lease is up, it's numbers have been terrible pretty much throughout it's existence. And to be blunt, it's been deemed redundant. There are something like 9 GW stores around Baltimore. That's just plain too many for this economy and a relic of when GW was still HQ'd here. You're going to see some more going away in all likelihood this coming year. White Marsh will move out of the Avenue. Towne Mall of Westminster will move out of the mall. St. Thomas will get shot in the head.
2) Games Sanctuary: GS failed because, even though Skip Lippman was a great guy that everyone liked, he wasn't a good business man. How do I know Skip? He taught me how to play 40K Rogue Trader back when his family still owned The Armory. I still have the beaten up Rogue Trader book that Skip gave me. Skip also taught me how to play Magic:The Gathering and Warhammer Fantasy. I played in Skip's VTES game every wednesday.
3) Legends: Legends stopped carrying miniatures because Randy is too lazy to do the work involved in keeping that community alive. It also doesn't help that you can't deal with the man with out immediately starting to feel like he's trying to put something over on you. Once Evan and Mark quit (and this was several years ago) the community dried up and blew away because no one wants to deal with Randy.
4) The Arena in Eldersburg: The Arena died because Dave lost interest in it.
I ignored your last attempt at playing the part of Chicken Little, but not this one. Mostly because you're invoking names that you have no business invoking.
Maybe if Yorkridges community had supported the store better, it wouldn't be closing.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/12/12 22:26:07
Subject: The GW store closures begin
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Tech Guard wrote:Scipio.au: I'd like not to say, even though they pissed me off it is really GW that is speaking. I really don't want to land any body in $hit. After all it is their job, they are just complying to a set of rules [even if these rules are a bit linient sometimes]. I recently found another GW that is much friendlier, Maybe that store was just a bad egg. But after my experiences I will be more hesitant to step into a GW.
If it is GW speaking, than how can it just be a bad egg and the other friendlier store isn't the problem. Either it is just the store being a bad egg or GW is at fault... I'm fairly certain corporate policy isn't to berate customers, so I'm going to go with Bad Egg.
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