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Incidentally the Asian woman in the CBBC 'PC' line-up used to be a TellyTubby. Pui Fan Lee, who was 'Po', who apparently got the job based on things other than her ethnicity, given that during the early part of her career she was hidden wholly under a giant foam-rubber suit.


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Oh and Cbeebies sells internationally, so if they are playing to anything, its not 'diversity', its international sales.

@ Arbits Schu - You watch way too much CBeebies...

BTW, I met one of the actresses from 'Me Too' a few years back, the one who cleans the buses - she was working as a roleplay extra on a managment course I went on. I asked her for her autograph, the others on the course had no idea who she was and thought I was crazy !

Comes from having several kids at different ages. I can remember a time before there was a Cbeebies...

Pertinent factoid: The BBC received formal complaints when they aired a cut-down version of Waybuloo with a voice-over by Dave Lamb from 'Come Dine with Me' during the Bedtime Hour. This attempt to introduce something 'new' 'exciting' and frankly ridiculous lasted exactly one evening. They got more complaints than they did over the 'arm' thing, because it had many little ones in tears, begging for 'that man to stop talking', or simply turning away from the TV completely.

Interesting extra factoid I just learned: Pui Fan Lee is now the Cbeebies presenter in Hong Kong/Singapore.

Even so, the uniforms do blow.

oh yes, the joy of having kids and sitting through kids tv... Been there, done that...

Problem with Pui was she couldn't sing, yet the producers constantly made her sing - it was awful, even my young 'uns dislike it...

Ruglud wrote:oh yes, the joy of having kids and sitting through kids tv... Been there, done that...

Problem with Pui was she couldn't sing, yet the producers constantly made her sing - it was awful, even my young 'uns dislike it...

Not as badly as that woman with the three stuffed panda bears. Mish, Moosh and Mogo. Truly she offends my ears with her atonal warbling.

Happily I have no idea who she or they are

It's better than those grey football shirts that they had a few years back.

George Spiggott wrote:It's better than those grey football shirts that they had a few years back.

Didn't the English Rugby uni's for the RWC this past year consist of predominately non-flag colors?

Ensis Ferrae wrote:

George Spiggott wrote:It's better than those grey football shirts that they had a few years back.

Didn't the English Rugby uni's for the RWC this past year consist of predominately non-flag colors?

Yep, all black and all white.

Remember this guy?




GG

generalgrog wrote:Remember this guy?




GG

Remember him I'm scarred for life

ArbeitsSchu wrote:

There's an interesting quote that goes with that story. Someone asked their daughter what they thought about Kerry (the one-armed presenter) and her daughter said. "I think she looks like a princess. She's beautiful." Kids are more terrified by the 'Shape-Japer" and the "Problem Blob" on Number-Jacks than they ever have been by that presenter. Children generally are innocent until we fill them with our ridiculous adult prejudices. Besides which, children every day have to deal with disability, deformity, cancer and illness, and they do a damn fine job of it. Should we really be telling them they have to hide away out of sight for fear of upsetting the "normal people"? Balls to that mate.

Of course I'm not hugely offended by the woman, but the main point I was trying to make is regarding the whole PC dogma what we are having thrust upon us. I mean, whats the percentage these days? 88.9% (or thereabouts) of the UK isn't ethnic or disabled, yet if every time the kids turn on the TV and they see a black bloke, an asian woman, a white bird and a chick with no hand.. they aren't really seeing the real world are they?

Sadly I fear you are more right than you know however. I dare say the figures on that side of things will have raised drastically thanks to 12 years in Afghanistan.

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Further to this though: See the chap with the prosthetic leg (only half visible) on the end of the line-up. He can run faster than you. All of you. He owns your ass at running, hands down. Just saying...

Obviously.. I clearly don't think that your average Joe will be better than any Olympic athlete at anything, I'm a great swimmer, but I don't doubt a midget swimmer would destroy me if she's in the Olympic swimming team. Wasn't there a bloke banned from running with two prosthetic legs because he had an unfair advantage!? Were getting like Deus Ex here thanks to modern Science!

ArbeitsSchu wrote:Oh and the BBC received NINE formal complaints. Nine. Eight more than one. Even the Daily Mail gave her a positive write-up.

I did indeed get owned...

I have no idea where I got thousands from, maybe cos I saw it on the front page of a paper and my imagination did the rest.. Curse you Daily Mail!

Anyway, I dont hugely disagree with anything you have said of course, and Ive no issue with disabled, handicapped people clearly, I just really dislike the notion that wholescale indoctrination is being forced upon us all by the powers that be. Does anyone really get offended by British flags, black boards and slightly racist 1970s TV shows like Fawlty Towers? The people in charge seem to be addressing imaginary issues, because 99% of the general population dont get offended if they see three white TV presenters or Basil Fawlty taking the piss out of a German.


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generalgrog wrote:Remember this guy?

See this is what I'm talking about.. The British love a loser. The Americans revere a Top Cat and we admire an Underdog.

Look at Tim Henman! A hero over here and he won feth all. If he was American he would be working in Subway!

As has happened so many times to me since I shacked up with my American missus all those years ago, I cant help but feel that a happy medium between where our American cousins are and where we are would result in perfection.

I should make my own country!

mattyrm wrote: I should make my own country!

Can I join? If so, where do I sign up?

SilverMK2 wrote:

mattyrm wrote: I should make my own country!

Can I join? If so, where do I sign up?

Your in. Its going to be called Briterica. The Mexican food will be good, the portions will be huge, the weather will be nice, there will be no traffic, good public transport links and baseball caps are banned.

mattyrm wrote:

ArbeitsSchu wrote:

There's an interesting quote that goes with that story. Someone asked their daughter what they thought about Kerry (the one-armed presenter) and her daughter said. "I think she looks like a princess. She's beautiful." Kids are more terrified by the 'Shape-Japer" and the "Problem Blob" on Number-Jacks than they ever have been by that presenter. Children generally are innocent until we fill them with our ridiculous adult prejudices. Besides which, children every day have to deal with disability, deformity, cancer and illness, and they do a damn fine job of it. Should we really be telling them they have to hide away out of sight for fear of upsetting the "normal people"? Balls to that mate.

Of course I'm not hugely offended by the woman, but the main point I was trying to make is regarding the whole PC dogma what we are having thrust upon us. I mean, whats the percentage these days? 88.9% (or thereabouts) of the UK isn't ethnic or disabled, yet if every time the kids turn on the TV and they see a black bloke, an asian woman, a white bird and a chick with no hand.. they aren't really seeing the real world are they?

Sadly I fear you are more right than you know however. I dare say the figures on that side of things will have raised drastically thanks to 12 years in Afghanistan.

ArbeitsSchu wrote:
Further to this though: See the chap with the prosthetic leg (only half visible) on the end of the line-up. He can run faster than you. All of you. He owns your ass at running, hands down. Just saying...

Obviously.. I clearly don't think that your average Joe will be better than any Olympic athlete at anything, I'm a great swimmer, but I don't doubt a midget swimmer would destroy me if she's in the Olympic swimming team. Wasn't there a bloke banned from running with two prosthetic legs because he had an unfair advantage!? Were getting like Deus Ex here thanks to modern Science!

ArbeitsSchu wrote:Oh and the BBC received NINE formal complaints. Nine. Eight more than one. Even the Daily Mail gave her a positive write-up.

I did indeed get owned...

I have no idea where I got thousands from, maybe cos I saw it on the front page of a paper and my imagination did the rest.. Curse you Daily Mail!

Anyway, I dont hugely disagree with anything you have said of course, and Ive no issue with disabled, handicapped people clearly, I just really dislike the notion that wholescale indoctrination is being forced upon us all by the powers that be. Does anyone really get offended by British flags, black boards and slightly racist 1970s TV shows like Fawlty Towers? The people in charge seem to be addressing imaginary issues, because 99% of the general population dont get offended if they see three white TV presenters or Basil Fawlty taking the piss out of a German.

Don't forget Floella Benjamin on Rainbow. She was on the TV being 'ethnic' 30 odd years ago. Or Andi Peters in the 'broom cupboard' on CBBC. Having non-white presenters isn't a modern phenomenon.

The danger is (and I don't doubt that they would agree) that by suggesting minority presenters have been hired based on their ethnicity or disability rather than on the merits of their ability to act, or talk to children is hugely insulting to the presenters. Or to extend this, that the Paralympians (or even the Olympians) are on the team as a box-ticking exercise rather than because they win at sports. Might as well say that the girl in the swimming costume (the only good uniform there, IMO) got in because she has tits, not because she swims like a dolphin with an outboard motor. You wouldn't be happy if people suggested you got your beret because the platoon needed another white guy to balance it out. Granted, enforced diversity is equally damaging, but one shouldn't assume that because a group is diverse, it got that way by PC shenanigans.

Unless one lives in St Helens (90% white) then its actually quite possible to see that sort of diverse mixing. Hell, my kid was babbling his random baby-words to a black kid and his mother only yesterday, and a Pakistani woman and her daughter, in the same place. In my experience kids really don't pick up on it, and quite probably don't register that 'Sid' is black and Pui is Chinese at all.

You're not far wrong about the 'Deus Ex' thing. Prosthetic technology is starting to reach the point where it can surpass the original. I hope it does. I don't doubt you know men who have suffered horrific damage who greatly deserve to have a 'better' limb than the one they lost, and I know of one little boy whose parents have to decide between another year of physio, painful operations and ravaging chemotherapy to destroy a tumor, or amputation and ultimately a prosthesis. Not much of a choice, but I know which one is easier to sell to a child. A repeat of a failed year of horrible sickness, or a 'better' leg, and the knowledge that Kerry only has one arm and she does pretty well for herself.

End of the day, she's a great presenter who happens to be disabled, and ideally the lack of an arm shouldn't even register on the scopes.

ArbeitsSchu wrote:[
You're not far wrong about the 'Deus Ex' thing. Prosthetic technology is starting to reach the point where it can surpass the original. I hope it does. I don't doubt you know men who have suffered horrific damage who greatly deserve to have a 'better' limb than the one they lost, and I know of one little boy whose parents have to decide between another year of physio, painful operations and ravaging chemotherapy to destroy a tumor, or amputation and ultimately a prosthesis. Not much of a choice, but I know which one is easier to sell to a child. A repeat of a failed year of horrible sickness, or a 'better' leg, and the knowledge that Kerry only has one arm and she does pretty well for herself.

I heard an article on radio 4 last week, the expert on the topic said that current technology was exceptional thanks to the increase in funding due to wars and such, and that some of the bionic arms are unbelievable, and we could indeed make an arm that would allow the user to move a car, but in the real world, if you did an arm or a leg, you would have to do everything else!

He basically said that if you did a guys arms, you would have to do his spine, his hips, his knees.. because the added strength to one area affects the rest of you.

And apparently we could make a guys legs awesome so he could run and 60 miles per hour, but the same speed would greatly affect yoyr other bones and joints... with regards to stress fractures and such.

Also, imagine if you were running at 60mph and you fell over.

Some kind of protective hat might be in order...

Protective hat? A protective face is more likely.

mattyrm wrote:

SilverMK2 wrote:

mattyrm wrote: I should make my own country!

Can I join? If so, where do I sign up?

Your in. Its going to be called Briterica. The Mexican food will be good, the portions will be huge, the weather will be nice, there will be no traffic, good public transport links and baseball caps are banned.

So we are taking over Barbados?
I'm planning on becoming the President of North America for Life some where around 2036...so if you are looking for employment around then let me know.

Im indifferent on it.

Its better than the mascot and the logo at least.

Some of the kits look alright, other bits are not awful.