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LunaHound wrote:

ph34r wrote: I like to be on the side of what makes the most sense.

A couple of us lol'd from that, sorry xD

LunaHound wrote:Me too, but my reason is simpler. Cuz its cheaper than actual GW termies xDDDDDDDDDDD

You think so?

FW terminators: $58 USD, plus a mandatory 15% "feth you" shipping cost regardless of actual packaging costs, for a grand total of $68 for awful terminators that look worse than the normal, don't come with options, and do not even have poseable midsections.

Citadel terminators: $50 USD, minus up to 25% off standard from online resellers, plus easily accessible free shipping, for a grand total of $37.5 for terminators that aren't made of crap material and actually come with weapons options.

Here the original thread and quote:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/411405.page

Forge World Facebook page wrote:Finecast resin is not Forge World resin. While both are a two-part resin mix, Finecast with its additional 'flex' isn't suitable for manufacturing most of the FW range, although many of the techniques were trialed on some of our smaller kits such as heavy weapons teams. The customers in question have probably just received one of these kits.

Guess the trials aren't over yet.

Oh, and i LOLed at this quote:

Forge World wrote:We periodically change our packaging and the clampack option is a lot better. We wouldn't be able to meet the demand of wholesale production without significantly affecting our quality control.

Forge World has quality control??

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Breotan wrote:... still be better than GW's stuff...

Are you sure about that?

Yes. Yes I am.

Kroothawk wrote:Here the original thread and quote:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/411405.page

Forge World Facebook page wrote:Finecast resin is not Forge World resin. While both are a two-part resin mix, Finecast with its additional 'flex' isn't suitable for manufacturing most of the FW range, although many of the techniques were trialed on some of our smaller kits such as heavy weapons teams. The customers in question have probably just received one of these kits.

Guess the trials aren't over yet.

I'm not sure how you got "trials aren't over yet" from "Finecast resin is not Forge World Resin."

...Finecast models aren't resin models? And Finecast is the name of the brand, not the resin type. And Forgeworld uses different resins for different models, just whatever seems to work best, hence the lack of consistency of color. Perhaps this is why GW has so many problems, trying to force the same type of resin to fulfill so many different roles?

I was hoping for some sarcasm in my internet voice with that one. As for FW using different resin for different stuff, I've done 2 Warhounds, a Dreadclaw, Nurgle Daemon Prince and Herald, Death Guard terminator and Plague Marine kits, Blood Slaughterer, Ork Mega Dread, and a TON of vanilla Marine shoulder pads and guns, and they've all been the same resin (in feel, sanding, cutting, scraping.)

Lolcanoe wrote:

...Finecast models aren't resin models? And Finecast is the name of the brand, not the resin type. And Forgeworld uses different resins for different models, just whatever seems to work best, hence the lack of consistency of color. Perhaps this is why GW has so many problems, trying to force the same type of resin to fulfill so many different roles?

I was hoping for some sarcasm in my internet voice with that one. As for FW using different resin for different stuff, I've done 2 Warhounds, a Dreadclaw, Nurgle Daemon Prince and Herald, Death Guard terminator and Plague Marine kits, Blood Slaughterer, Ork Mega Dread, and a TON of vanilla Marine shoulder pads and guns, and they've all been the same resin (in feel, sanding, cutting, scraping.)

My Heirophant supports the statement that FW uses different resins.



No, it's not a recast. The body is a cream coloured resin that is super light, but it's quite brittle. The other peices are the regular grey resin. One of the back legs weighs as much as the whole torso.

FW experiment with different resins all the time.

ph34r wrote:

LunaHound wrote:

ph34r wrote: I like to be on the side of what makes the most sense.

A couple of us lol'd from that, sorry xD

LunaHound wrote:Me too, but my reason is simpler. Cuz its cheaper than actual GW termies xDDDDDDDDDDD

You think so?

FW terminators: $58 USD, plus a mandatory 15% "feth you" shipping cost regardless of actual packaging costs, for a grand total of $68 for awful terminators that look worse than the normal, don't come with options, and do not even have poseable midsections.

Citadel terminators: $50 USD, minus up to 25% off standard from online resellers, plus easily accessible free shipping, for a grand total of $37.5 for terminators that aren't made of crap material and actually come with weapons options.

He COULD be referring to Australia, y'know. And the FW termies DO have poseable midsections; you would've sene that if you'd looked at OP's pics. Speaking of which, that looked like very little work to me, I could have those cleaned-up and good to go in no time.

-Loki- wrote:

Lolcanoe wrote:

...Finecast models aren't resin models? And Finecast is the name of the brand, not the resin type. And Forgeworld uses different resins for different models, just whatever seems to work best, hence the lack of consistency of color. Perhaps this is why GW has so many problems, trying to force the same type of resin to fulfill so many different roles?

I was hoping for some sarcasm in my internet voice with that one. As for FW using different resin for different stuff, I've done 2 Warhounds, a Dreadclaw, Nurgle Daemon Prince and Herald, Death Guard terminator and Plague Marine kits, Blood Slaughterer, Ork Mega Dread, and a TON of vanilla Marine shoulder pads and guns, and they've all been the same resin (in feel, sanding, cutting, scraping.)

My Heirophant supports the statement that FW uses different resins.

Spoiler:

No, it's not a recast. The body is a cream coloured resin that is super light, but it's quite brittle. The other peices are the regular grey resin. One of the back legs weighs as much as the whole torso.

FW experiment with different resins all the time.

The Heirrophant is an EXCELLENT example, thank you for the photo!

Kanluwen wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:Here the original thread and quote:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/411405.page

Forge World Facebook page wrote:Finecast resin is not Forge World resin. While both are a two-part resin mix, Finecast with its additional 'flex' isn't suitable for manufacturing most of the FW range, although many of the techniques were trialed on some of our smaller kits such as heavy weapons teams. The customers in question have probably just received one of these kits.

Guess the trials aren't over yet.

I'm not sure how you got "trials aren't over yet" from "Finecast resin is not Forge World Resin."

I think its semantic; whether it is or isn't Finecast, its a similar enough resin to have the same problems as Finecast to a similar degree.

I tire of these fine cast threads. I think we're done kicking the dead horse. Personally, I've had just as many issues with Fine Cast as I've had with metal. I've had 2 miscasts from each. If you have a problem, call GW's Customer Service rather than bitch and moan about it on a forum. At least you'll have something to show for it at the end of the day.

I find it amusing that the alternative sources for forgeworld offer prices at a fraction of the cost and now have arguably better quality.

Just my two cents, Brother.

ph34r wrote:

LunaHound wrote:

ph34r wrote: I like to be on the side of what makes the most sense.

A couple of us lol'd from that, sorry xD

LunaHound wrote:Me too, but my reason is simpler. Cuz its cheaper than actual GW termies xDDDDDDDDDDD

You think so?

FW terminators: $58 USD, plus a mandatory 15% "feth you" shipping cost regardless of actual packaging costs, for a grand total of $68 for awful terminators that look worse than the normal, don't come with options, and do not even have poseable midsections.

Citadel terminators: $50 USD, minus up to 25% off standard from online resellers, plus easily accessible free shipping, for a grand total of $37.5 for terminators that aren't made of crap material and actually come with weapons options.

If you're going to go this route to compare prices, I can also use a recaster listed on eBay to make these FW Terminators and I'll be able to get them for roughly the same price as the GW terminators above. So why don't we just compare apples to apples. The MSRP of each is $58 for the FW ones and $50 for the GW ones. Thats a savings of $8!

Maybe a mod should lock this thread as there is no news or rumor in this thread that is being discussed.


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Hulkster wrote:I find it amusing that the alternative sources for forgeworld offer prices at a fraction of the cost and now have arguably better quality.

Just my two cents, Brother.

Thats because they're recasters. You can find them all over eBay. Just search forgeworld and pretty much anyone from outside of the UK and US is a recaster. Especially when the price is ~ half of FW.

carmachu wrote:well, there goes my order that I was planning for a conversion.

Same here.

OP just saved me a LOT of money. I was going to buy the new Minotaurs characters, the new Termies, Chaos Decimator and a Contemptor. However, if the FW is now going to be as crappy as the GW Finecast (which I refuse to buy) then Ill just pass on all FW stuff.

Not all models are being put on sprues yet. I got my Molock in and he was in a standard little baggy with the standard little Forgeworld nubs on the bottom.

The casting was good on it as well, no issues that I can see.

Trying to say it without saying it, but the recasters are making higher quality figures. Thats a really, really sad statement.

I'm sorry for you but happy for me now i am thinking twice about buying two boxes of these for a deathwing army!

SlaveToDorkness wrote:Does Ford replace your F-150 without even seeing the one you bought? Do you keep the one you bought? If it's easier to replace a single part on the truck do they ship you out the whole truck anyway?

GW does.

GW does this due to packaging issues not as good customer service. And yes....after enough issues Ford will replace your truck by law in most states in the US due to the lemon law or give you your money back.

Kepora wrote:How do you know it's the resin and not GW's process of casting? The way things are casted makes ALL the difference; as for the resin itself, it's a model-builder's dream when the process of casting it is done properly.

I lol'd hard at this. Finecast a model-builder's dream? You have to be incredibly careful when cleaning it up or risk losing detail, it snaps sometimes seemingly on its own accord, and can not be stripped. Finecast is both so soft that it has trouble standing up under its own weight on certain models, and also brittle at the same time. It is not near the same quality of resin as I have seen on the few FW pieces I've handled or the PP or Spartan games stuff I own.

Fishboy wrote:And yes....after enough issues Ford will replace your truck by law in most states in the US due to the lemon law or give you your money back.

Ford would never allow a truck with visible holes pockmarked throughout it to leave its factory. Everyone keeps talking up how great GW customer service is because they will send you a replacement. Part of good customer service is selling me a good item to begin with. Having the decency to have some form of quality control in place to save your customers the trouble of having to wait for a replacement in the mail is a cornerstone of good customer service. In this regard GW fails miserably.

infinite_array wrote:

Father Gabe wrote:
Let me ask this. If you go to a store to buy clothes and you get home and find there is a rip in it, do you ban buying from the store? Come on people its been a year since Finecast has been released, GW replaces any problems free of charge if you cant fix it yourself. Can we not find something else to rant and rampage about?

Interesting comparison. Now, let me ask you this -

Did the clothing company assure you that the product you were buying was the best clothing on Earth, and rant and rave about its quality?

And then, when you realized your clothing was full of holes, and you tried to return it, were you given either more clothing with holes in it, or told that the clothing you bought passed their quality control?

And did that clothing company tell you to fix the problem on your own, and then try to sell you an overpriced sowing kit?

And you're telling me you'd have no problem with that?

You're absolutely right that it's been a year after Finecast's release - and if they still can't be bothered to fix the problem with it, what does that say about them as a company? And what does that say about you, as a compliant customer?

Ok, I just woke up so it is way to early to try to decifer what your asking here but I will get to it later. Before I made my earlier post I should have asked does the original poster have confirmation that Forge World is switiching only to Finecast type resin? That they ever said what type(s) of resin they use? Perhaps that is where this thread should have started with something saying its possible they switch to the finecast resin. Unless you have a factual way of determining it is the finecast resin; they have switch to this resin; etc.

I bring that up because I received the two Minotaur Chapter characters yesterday and I will tell you right now, they are not the same as finecast resin. Oh and these two models are freakin awesome btw.

Oh Im awake now and read the response. Heres my answers:

1. I dont know if they promised, I just buy and if its good its good. If it is bad I take steps to get it corrected (ie return for clothing, model if it is a hobby item).
2. Everytime I returned Ive never been dissatisfied with the company fix.
3. No the company never told me to fix it on my own (I should have pointed that out earlier), however, playing with toy soliders in a hobby environment I understand that I have to prep my models before I build/paint/play with them soooooo, I expect there to be "fixing" at times.
4. Currently (after 23 years of hobbying) I am quite alright with it.

So, after taking a break from my continued discussion I will get back on track. I cant vouch for Forgeworld quality control or their claims of such. Perhaps someone could put up a link to it? That might help win/lose some arguements here. I for one have had my ups and downs with Finecast and Forgeworld but I love the hobby, love the game and love the fact that no one company does it on the level GW does it (dont start thread on Privateer Press because company/production/stock/retail store wise they are light years behind GW). If you feel you must stop buying from Forge World I would ask think twice, give it a chance...if you still decide to then yay for me! I dont have to worry if they will have product in stock


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Hulkster wrote:Trying to say it without saying it, but the recasters are making higher quality figures. Thats a really, really sad statement.

Recasters = price increases btw (plus inflation, etc)

Here is a note about recaster quality. Its a couple guys, producing a couple models at the time.

Ive toured the GW factory store and saw the process, they make them in the HUNDREDS at a time. No I dont have pictures, cameras not allowed because they were working on a project when I was there so I couldnt snap photos.

Kroothawk wrote:Here the original thread and quote:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/411405.page

Forge World Facebook page wrote:Finecast resin is not Forge World resin. While both are a two-part resin mix, Finecast with its additional 'flex' isn't suitable for manufacturing most of the FW range, although many of the techniques were trialed on some of our smaller kits such as heavy weapons teams. The customers in question have probably just received one of these kits.

I guess my question is, if they tried the new material and found it by their own judgement unsatisfactory, why did they sell it to a customer anyway?

Ouze wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:Here the original thread and quote:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/411405.page

Forge World Facebook page wrote:Finecast resin is not Forge World resin. While both are a two-part resin mix, Finecast with its additional 'flex' isn't suitable for manufacturing most of the FW range, although many of the techniques were trialed on some of our smaller kits such as heavy weapons teams. The customers in question have probably just received one of these kits.

I guess my question is, if they tried the new material and found it by their own judgement unsatisfactory, why did they sell it to a customer anyway?

Probably for the same reason GW continues selling finecast even though it is obviously unsatisfactory.

Ouze wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:Here the original thread and quote:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/411405.page

Forge World Facebook page wrote:Finecast resin is not Forge World resin. While both are a two-part resin mix, Finecast with its additional 'flex' isn't suitable for manufacturing most of the FW range, although many of the techniques were trialed on some of our smaller kits such as heavy weapons teams. The customers in question have probably just received one of these kits.

I guess my question is, if they tried the new material and found it by their own judgement unsatisfactory, why did they sell it to a customer anyway?

Now this is what Im talking about. Forge World quotes. This is a situation that I would call them and say "look dude, this is what I ordered, this is what I got and its problems. I want this fixed" "oh and since your Facebook pages says " This and that" then I want one that is not finecast. Case solved. Thanks for finding that quote, thats awesome.

so let me get this straight. if i buy a finecast model and it is miscast, i can call and get a replacement. If that replacement is bad then call I again and get another one. Well it seems to me that i should do this every time. This way i even if I have to fix models THAT SHOULD BE FLAWLESS THE FIRST TIME i am getting three for the price of one. So it seems to me if I call in every time I buy finecast and get three models this might justify the ridiculous cost of this sub par crap finecast!!!!!

battlematt wrote:so let me get this straight. if i buy a finecast model and it is miscast, i can call and get a replacement. If that replacement is bad then call I again and get another one. Well it seems to me that i should do this every time. This way i even if I have to fix models THAT SHOULD BE FLAWLESS THE FIRST TIME i am getting three for the price of one. So it seems to me if I call in every time I buy finecast and get three models this might justify the ridiculous cost of this sub par crap finecast!!!!!

Well, no. You have to send it back or show proof that it is damaged.

I can't believe this is just coming up here in the past two days.
Bols had some thing on this last month, the Freeboota forum had some thing about it over a month before that.

The first models that were seen were the new Space marine Vehicle crew drivers...

Different resin type same packaging...

And I've got tons of FW models that have used mutiple different types of resin.

Chowderhead wrote:

battlematt wrote:so let me get this straight. if i buy a finecast model and it is miscast, i can call and get a replacement. If that replacement is bad then call I again and get another one. Well it seems to me that i should do this every time. This way i even if I have to fix models THAT SHOULD BE FLAWLESS THE FIRST TIME i am getting three for the price of one. So it seems to me if I call in every time I buy finecast and get three models this might justify the ridiculous cost of this sub par crap finecast!!!!!

Well, no. You have to send it back or show proof that it is damaged.

You do not have to send it back the majority of the time.

They will settle for pictures in almost every case; and if it's a known flaw that existed in both the metal AND Finecast versions--they might not even want pictures. The two Finecast Vlad von Carsteins I went through, they didn't even want photographic evidence. Just a verbal description of the flaws and the batch #.

Father Gabe wrote:Now this is what Im talking about. Forge World quotes. This is a situation that I would call them and say "look dude, this is what I ordered, this is what I got and its problems. I want this fixed" "oh and since your Facebook pages says " This and that" then I want one that is not finecast. Case solved. Thanks for finding that quote, thats awesome.

Please read the quote again., Father Gabe.

Forge World wrote:Finecast resin is not Forge World resin. While both are a two-part resin mix, Finecast with its additional 'flex' isn't suitable for manufacturing most of the FW range, although many of the techniques were trialed on some of our smaller kits such as heavy weapons teams. The customers in question have probably just received one of these kits.

Forge World specifically noted that the Finecast resin mix with its additional 'flex' isn't suitable for manufacturing most of the FW range, although many of the techniques were trialed on some of their heavy weapons teams.

That means that the casting techniques were trialed on the smaller kits--hence why we've been seeing some DKOK teams on sprues v. pour blocks.

So wait these stupid expensive models that are sold as the uber thing since sliced bread are errrr trials?

My Hierophant is the same way! It kinda freaked me out at first when I had two colors of resin.

NAVARRO wrote:So wait these stupid expensive models that are sold as the uber thing since sliced bread are errrr trials?

Why throw away the models that they deem unfit, when they can simply sell them to us? Then when we need to return them, we feel all warm and fuzzy about how easy the customer service phone experience was.

judging by the pics in this thread, we're nearing the point where the chinese recasters will have better QC than Forgeworld

boyd wrote:

ph34r wrote:FW terminators: $58 USD, plus a mandatory 15% "feth you" shipping cost regardless of actual packaging costs, for a grand total of $68 for awful terminators that look worse than the normal, don't come with options, and do not even have poseable midsections.

Citadel terminators: $50 USD, minus up to 25% off standard from online resellers, plus easily accessible free shipping, for a grand total of $37.5 for terminators that aren't made of crap material and actually come with weapons options.

If you're going to go this route to compare prices, I can also use a recaster listed on eBay to make these FW Terminators and I'll be able to get them for roughly the same price as the GW terminators above. So why don't we just compare apples to apples. The MSRP of each is $58 for the FW ones and $50 for the GW ones. Thats a savings of $8!

Maybe a mod should lock this thread as there is no news or rumor in this thread that is being discussed.

Uhhh... you think that an illegal FW recaster on eBay and an online store that buys all their products through GW are "apples to apples" comparisons? What.