Is Forgeworld switching to Finecast?

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**Chowderhead**

Charax wrote:judging by the pics in this thread, we're nearing the point where the chinese recasters will have better QC than Forgeworld

Oh yes, because one person's bad model means that all of FW is like this. Up is also down, and I'm actually a snail that learned to type.

NAVARRO wrote:So wait these stupid expensive models that are sold as the uber thing since sliced bread are errrr trials?

They are trials of a new sprue style, not any new resin (See: Finecast) compound. No more, no less.

**Frazzled**

Kanluwen wrote:
SlaveToDorkness wrote:Damn, I was just going to order those termies this weekend. not so sure now.

New sets can have problems. If you have issues, you just contact them and they will replace it.

Or spend your money on someone else that makes a quality product and doesn't view their customers as part of "QC Team."

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Father Gabe wrote:

Let me ask this. If you go to a store to buy clothes and you get home and find there is a rip in it, do you ban buying from the store?

You bet your ass I do, and tell everyone I can how bad they suck. Ain't being a consumer grand?

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infinite_array wrote:
Salacious Greed wrote:

Now, when we say that GW has a great Customer Service department, they do.

Gah. I know I'm going to catch flak for this, but screw it. I disgree.

How does GW have great customer service? They sell you a broken/poorly made item. You ask for a better version of what you bought. GW complies.

That's what every other company does. If I go and buy an iPod, or a Ford, or a Dell, and upon receiving it there's something wrong with it, it's not some sort of miracle that the company will replace it!

Indeed.

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marv335 wrote:
Agamemnon2 wrote:Certainly nothing like the apocryphal Valkyries with one side half a centimeter longer than the other.

I had one of those Valkyries, only in my case, the cabin roof was 1/2" thicker on one side than the other.
That said, it's not stopped my buying FW, and I will be buying those Terminators for my upcoming Mentor Legion project.

Thats why they can keep selling junk.

**Ouze**

Forge World has good customer service in that they don't generally require you to ship back miscast parts. This is separate from their QC, which is terrible, and how good they are as a product in all, which weighs the customer service against the QC and comes up with a value known only to you, based upon your tolerance for shenanigans.

Anyway, on-topic, those pictures don't look at all like Finecast. There is none of the characteristic bubbling towards the bottom. They just look like normal sprues similar to what my Tomb Stalker, Boarding Marine, etc etc arrived on.

**Kepora**

Mad4Minis wrote:
carmachu wrote:well, there goes my order that I was planning for a conversion.

Same here.

OP just saved me a LOT of money. I was going to buy the new Minotaurs characters, the new Termies, Chaos Decimator and a Contemptor. However, if the FW is now going to be as crappy as the GW Finecast (which I refuse to buy) then Ill just pass on all FW stuff.

THIS is why these threads are dangerous. FORGEWORLD. IS NOT. CHANGING. TO FINECAST.

Dabansheedude wrote:I'm sorry for you but happy for me now i am thinking twice about buying two boxes of these for a deathwing army!

See my above quote.

Chowderhead wrote:
Charax wrote:judging by the pics in this thread, we're nearing the point where the chinese recasters will have better QC than Forgeworld

Oh yes, because one person's bad model means that all of FW is like this. Up is also down, and I'm actually a snail that learned to type.

NAVARRO wrote:So wait these stupid expensive models that are sold as the uber thing since sliced bread are errrr trials?

They are trials of a new sprue style, not any new resin (See: Finecast) compound. No more, no less.

FINALLY someone with some damn sense in their head!

Ouze wrote:Forge World has good customer service in that they don't generally require you to ship back miscast parts. This is separate from their QC, which is terrible, and how good they are as a product in all, which weighs the customer service against the QC and comes up with a value known only to you, based upon your tolerance for shenanigans.

Anyway, on-topic, those pictures don't look at all like Finecast. There is none of the characteristic bubbling towards the bottom. They just look like normal sprues similar to what my Tomb Stalker, Boarding Marine, etc etc arrived on.

Quoted for truth.

Can we get an admin to please close this thread, but witha post that enforces the point that Forgeworld is NOT changing?

**Ouze**

Kanluwen wrote:[Forge World specifically noted that the Finecast resin mix with its additional 'flex' isn't suitable for manufacturing most of the FW range, although many of the techniques were trialed on some of their heavy weapons teams.

That means that the casting techniques were trialed on the smaller kits--hence why we've been seeing some DKOK teams on sprues v. pour blocks.

Good clarification. That was a distinction I missed earlier.

**His Master's Voice**

Frazzled wrote:
Or spend your money on someone else that makes a quality product and doesn't view their customers as part of "QC Team."

That's a fine attitude as long as you're not looking to buy Macharius tanks, MkV power armored SM or Toad Dragons.

**Sidstyler**

Kepora wrote:THIS is why these threads are dangerous.

It's only "dangerous" if the rumor is actually true. Smart people will keep reading, realize that FW isn't necessarily switching, and will go on about their business as normal. If they were switching to Finecast then I feel I have the right to know, so as to avoid wasting more of my money on that pock-marked, miscast garbage that GW is making itself well known for. So it's only "dangerous" in that case if you're a fanboy in shining white armor that wants people to remain blind and ignorant, just like GW wants all their customers to be, so they'll keep supporting the company when they really don't deserve the support. I have every right to take my money elsewhere if a company feels like sacrificing quality in the name of profit and I end up getting burned as a result. Finecast is one such burn, one that cost me a lot of money I'll never get back, and so I want to know if FW is considering doing the same so I can cease buying their product as well. More information is never dangerous for a customer, which is why I imagine this thread hasn't been locked yet.

In any case there's really no need for you to come in here and keep demanding that the site mods close the thread, especially when it would be so much easier for you to just STOP READING AND POSTING IN THE THREAD. Either report the thread and go on your way or just ignore it altogether, and let the mods do their jobs. It's clear, to me at least, that the mods don't think this thread is worthy of being shut down yet or it probably already would be, since I imagine someone is probably already aware and keeping an eye on it.

**Starfarer**

Forge World wrote:"(...)To address your points, however, we'd like to point out that Forge World do not sell Finecast products; Finecast is a Citadel brand, not a specific type of resin, and so we are not operating some sort of scam as you imply in your e-mail, nor are we misrepresenting our products. As we are perhaps the largest single manufacturer of resin models in the world, it should be unsurprising that the Citadel decision to begin using similar materials a certain amount of consultancy with ourselves.

"Forge World use a huge range of different types of resin and just as wide a range of casting methods depending on the kit in question. You'll note that the resin used for a Titan is very different for that used to produce solid resin scenery, or a smaller resin infantry model, or indeed the new range of hollow resin scenery that we're starting to release. What you describe as 'Finecast resin' is simply a different mix, one that we've used for some time for smaller and more detailed models where appropriate.

"The centrifugal casting process used to produce the Citadel Finecast range is again something that Forge World began looking at some time ago; you rightly point out that the traditional drop-casting method is extremely time- and labour-intensive, the spin-casting method is just as involved but the quality checking is rather more critical. This has obviously not been performed as stringently as it should have been, but as the Citadel and Forge World production teams are separate we're obviously unable to comment upon, or influence, the policies in place regarding Finecast." - Ead Brown, Customer Service Manager, Forge World, March 7, 2012

No news, no rumors that have not been debunked, nothing more than another bash finecast thread at this point. I've seen numerous threads locked for less, so why is this open?

**iflywhirlybirds**

This makes me so freakin pissed. GW is without question the stupidest company on this planet. I play death korps, actually, I'm just starting a death korps. This makes me really worried about the future of DKOK

**CorvidMP**

iflywhirlybirds wrote:This makes me so freakin pissed. GW is without question the stupidest company on this planet. I play death korps, actually, I'm just starting a death korps. This makes me really worried about the future of DKOK

Relax all indications seem to indicate that they aren't making the switch, though they tried it, and it's apparently entirely possible a few people got some FW in finecast.

That said, I find the truly telling things 1) how quickly they seem to want to distance themselves from the material and 2) that they found it inadequate.

**praetor24**

Wow, I don't check the forum for a day and boom 5 pages!

I have to make clear some things:

A) I never said that FW uses Finecast resin. I said, IT FEELS like Finecast.

B) I saw a lot of people claiming that they will never buy from FW again. All I have to say is that so far I had ZERO problems with their products and when I did I found out the their CS is even more excellent than the minis they sell.

C) So far, this is the only kit I have come across that uses this new resin. The Minotaur characters (which I also bought) are from the old type one.

D) Whether some people like it or not, the new resin they used on these Termies is TERRIBLE! In fact, today I went through all the rest of my models and at the end I had a photo portfolio of miscasts. I have already contacted FW and I am sure that the problem will be addressed.

E) My OP was just to inform you for the new development (Finecast or not, I don't really care, what I care is that this resin is a really bad medium for minis). If you want to use it as an excuse to start a FW-is-as-bad-as-GW campaign, please, don't!

Yes, this time I got extremely disappointed with my purchase from FW, but sh*t happen even in the best families. Plus, I have faith (based on my past experience) in their excellent CS.

**biccat**

Forge World wrote:"(...)To address your points, however, we'd like to point out that Forge World do not sell Finecast products; Finecast is a Citadel brand, not a specific type of resin

Note that, in this sentence, Forgeworld does not deny using the same type of resin or casting method that GW uses. They deny that they're using the "Finecast" brand.

Forge World wrote:"Forge World use a huge range of different types of resin and just as wide a range of casting methods depending on the kit in question. You'll note that the resin used for a Titan is very different for that used to produce solid resin scenery, or a smaller resin infantry model, or indeed the new range of hollow resin scenery that we're starting to release.

Again, they're not disclaiming the use of the same type of resin or casting method.

Forge World wrote:What you describe as 'Finecast resin' is simply a different mix, one that we've used for some time for smaller and more detailed models where appropriate.

In fact, Forge World admits that they do use the same resin that GW uses for Finecast for some parts.

Forge World wrote:"The centrifugal casting process used to produce the Citadel Finecast range is again something that Forge World began looking at some time ago; you rightly point out that the traditional drop-casting method is extremely time- and labour-intensive, the spin-casting method is just as involved but the quality checking is rather more critical.

And again, a careful reading shows that Forge World is not disclaiming the use of Citadel's spin-casting method.

Forge World wrote:This has obviously not been performed as stringently as it should have been, but as the Citadel and Forge World production teams are separate we're obviously unable to comment upon, or influence, the policies in place regarding Finecast." - Ead Brown, Customer Service Manager, Forge World, March 7, 2012

And again, they're not discussing whether they use Finecast methods and materials or not. Simply noting that Finecast (the trademarked label) is not being used.
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Does Forge World make "Finecast" models? No, quite clearly they don't. That is a registered trademark of Games Workshop and limited to Citadel brand miniatures. This doesn't really mean anything.

Does Forge World use the same type of resin that Games Workshop uses for Finecast? Yes. It is "one that [Forge World has] used for some time for smaller and more detailed models where appropriate."

Does Forge World use the same manufacturing method that Games Workshop uses for Finecast? This is unclear. To quote Forge World: "The centrifugal casting process used to produce the Citadel Finecast range is again something that Forge World began looking at some time ago." Have they adopted it? No idea.

Here's another quote that Kanluwen provided:

[Forge World specifically noted that the Finecast resin mix with its additional 'flex' isn't suitable for manufacturing most of the FW range, although many of the techniques were trialed on some of their heavy weapons teams.

Notice that the Finecast resin isn't suitable for most of the FW line. This does not mean "all."

Is Forge World switching to Finecast? No. But they are using the resin, and may be using the method, for some of their models. The OP certainly could have received a model produced using the same material and methods of Finecast.

**starsdawn**

Sidstyler wrote:
Kepora wrote:THIS is why these threads are dangerous.

It's only "dangerous" if the rumor is actually true. Smart people will keep reading, realize that FW isn't necessa......

This is assuming that everyone is smart.

**praetor24**

Ouze wrote:
Anyway, on-topic, those pictures don't look at all like Finecast. There is none of the characteristic bubbling towards the bottom. They just look like normal sprues similar to what my Tomb Stalker, Boarding Marine, etc etc arrived on.

My 4 Boarding Marines did not arrive in sprues similar to the Tartaros Termies. And the reason I thought it was Finecast, is that it feels equally bad. There are some things you can't tell from pictures. Believe me.

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biccat wrote: The OP certainly could have received a model produced using the same material and methods of Finecast.

Amen. Exactly the point I was trying to make with my OP.

As for the "new" resin, I found that it is much softer, it has much more "flex" and a rubbery feeling, which appears to have a detrimental effect to the formation of sharp details and of straight lines and flat surfaces. You can call it whatever name you want, but it is bad. Really, really bad. I am sure though that FW will figure this out and address the problem.

**ÆΞØИ**

biccat wrote:
Forge World wrote:"(...)To address your points, however, we'd like to point out that Forge World do not sell Finecast products; Finecast is a Citadel brand, not a specific type of resin

Note that, in this sentence, Forgeworld does not deny using the same type of resin or casting method that GW uses. They deny that they're using the "Finecast" brand.

Forge World wrote:"Forge World use a huge range of different types of resin and just as wide a range of casting methods depending on the kit in question. You'll note that the resin used for a Titan is very different for that used to produce solid resin scenery, or a smaller resin infantry model, or indeed the new range of hollow resin scenery that we're starting to release.

Again, they're not disclaiming the use of the same type of resin or casting method.

Forge World wrote:What you describe as 'Finecast resin' is simply a different mix, one that we've used for some time for smaller and more detailed models where appropriate.

In fact, Forge World admits that they do use the same resin that GW uses for Finecast for some parts.

Forge World wrote:"The centrifugal casting process used to produce the Citadel Finecast range is again something that Forge World began looking at some time ago; you rightly point out that the traditional drop-casting method is extremely time- and labour-intensive, the spin-casting method is just as involved but the quality checking is rather more critical.

And again, a careful reading shows that Forge World is not disclaiming the use of Citadel's spin-casting method.

Forge World wrote:This has obviously not been performed as stringently as it should have been, but as the Citadel and Forge World production teams are separate we're obviously unable to comment upon, or influence, the policies in place regarding Finecast." - Ead Brown, Customer Service Manager, Forge World, March 7, 2012

And again, they're not discussing whether they use Finecast methods and materials or not. Simply noting that Finecast (the trademarked label) is not being used.
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Does Forge World make "Finecast" models? No, quite clearly they don't. That is a registered trademark of Games Workshop and limited to Citadel brand miniatures. This doesn't really mean anything.

Does Forge World use the same type of resin that Games Workshop uses for Finecast? Yes. It is "one that [Forge World has] used for some time for smaller and more detailed models where appropriate."

Does Forge World use the same manufacturing method that Games Workshop uses for Finecast? This is unclear. To quote Forge World: "The centrifugal casting process used to produce the Citadel Finecast range is again something that Forge World began looking at some time ago." Have they adopted it? No idea.

Here's another quote that Kanluwen provided:

[Forge World specifically noted that the Finecast resin mix with its additional 'flex' isn't suitable for manufacturing most of the FW range, although many of the techniques were trialed on some of their heavy weapons teams.

Notice that the Finecast resin isn't suitable for most of the FW line. This does not mean "all."

Is Forge World switching to Finecast? No. But they are using the resin, and may be using the method, for some of their models. The OP certainly could have received a model produced using the same material and methods of Finecast.

Amen, Im glad Im not the only one that spot that.

**Chowderhead**

biccat wrote:
Forge World wrote:"(...)To address your points, however, we'd like to point out that Forge World do not sell Finecast products; Finecast is a Citadel brand, not a specific type of resin

Note that, in this sentence, Forgeworld does not deny using the same type of resin or casting method that GW uses. They deny that they're using the "Finecast" brand.

Forge World wrote:"Forge World use a huge range of different types of resin and just as wide a range of casting methods depending on the kit in question. You'll note that the resin used for a Titan is very different for that used to produce solid resin scenery, or a smaller resin infantry model, or indeed the new range of hollow resin scenery that we're starting to release.

Again, they're not disclaiming the use of the same type of resin or casting method.

Forge World wrote:What you describe as 'Finecast resin' is simply a different mix, one that we've used for some time for smaller and more detailed models where appropriate.

In fact, Forge World admits that they do use the same resin that GW uses for Finecast for some parts.

Forge World wrote:"The centrifugal casting process used to produce the Citadel Finecast range is again something that Forge World began looking at some time ago; you rightly point out that the traditional drop-casting method is extremely time- and labour-intensive, the spin-casting method is just as involved but the quality checking is rather more critical.

And again, a careful reading shows that Forge World is not disclaiming the use of Citadel's spin-casting method.

Forge World wrote:This has obviously not been performed as stringently as it should have been, but as the Citadel and Forge World production teams are separate we're obviously unable to comment upon, or influence, the policies in place regarding Finecast." - Ead Brown, Customer Service Manager, Forge World, March 7, 2012

And again, they're not discussing whether they use Finecast methods and materials or not. Simply noting that Finecast (the trademarked label) is not being used.
----------

Does Forge World make "Finecast" models? No, quite clearly they don't. That is a registered trademark of Games Workshop and limited to Citadel brand miniatures. This doesn't really mean anything.

Does Forge World use the same type of resin that Games Workshop uses for Finecast? Yes. It is "one that [Forge World has] used for some time for smaller and more detailed models where appropriate."

Does Forge World use the same manufacturing method that Games Workshop uses for Finecast? This is unclear. To quote Forge World: "The centrifugal casting process used to produce the Citadel Finecast range is again something that Forge World began looking at some time ago." Have they adopted it? No idea.

Here's another quote that Kanluwen provided:

[Forge World specifically noted that the Finecast resin mix with its additional 'flex' isn't suitable for manufacturing most of the FW range, although many of the techniques were trialed on some of their heavy weapons teams.

Notice that the Finecast resin isn't suitable for most of the FW line. This does not mean "all."

Is Forge World switching to Finecast? No. But they are using the resin, and may be using the method, for some of their models. The OP certainly could have received a model produced using the same material and methods of Finecast.

Absence of proof is not proof of absence, Biccat.

**SickSix**

praetor24, don't try to distance yourself from your very (mis)leading first post now that it has caused a gakstorm. You chose to title it in a way that clearly leads everyone to question/think "Is FW using Finecast?".

You could have titled it "FW using new resin?" and not mentioned finecast at all, but you did. Don't try to run away from that now.

praetor24 wrote:Wow, I don't check the forum for a day and boom 5 pages!

I have to make clear some things:

A) I never said that FW uses Finecast resin. I said, IT FEELS like Finecast.

praetor24 wrote:Today I got at the mail the new Tartaros Terminators kit and I was shocked to discover that instead of the resin that FW used for its other kits, the models in this one were made from finecast.

You did declare your FW models to be made from finecast. In the leading sentence of this thread.

**Farseer Mael Dannan**

I've had many Finecast mis-casts. Farseer's, Dark Reapers, Banshees. Most directly related to the face, and for my Farseer's I've never gotten a properly molded face. Just started buying Metal ones and using the heads. It's rather disappointing.

However, GW has never blinked an eye at sending me an entirely new box. Even if I bought it from Sci-Fi city or something, as long as I call and offer a picture of the issue they have always followed through and send me a new box without asking for the old box back. This makes it rather interesting. You have some mis-molded units that take some modding, but now you got double the amount you intended. Good enough for me.

I don't see why they switched to Resin though IMHO. I don't think the detail it offers is worth the constant issues/durability problems it has. As for FW, I have only ordered DKoK from them which I ended up returning. They had some mild issues, and I wasn't impressed enough to pay the absorbent price for the quality I got.

**ÆΞØИ**

Chowderhead wrote:

Absence of proof is not proof of absence, Biccat.

Keep telling us that, when as recent as April aand March, we have purchased and received items that
-material is fc
-looks like fc
-packed like fc

but lets not call it fc since it's from fw

Are we claiming ALL fw are going to be made the same way a finecast? feth no.
Yet that does not spell "fw wont ever use fc casting methods again"

**Chowderhead**

ÆΞØИ wrote:
Chowderhead wrote:

Absence of proof is not proof of absence, Biccat.

Keep telling us that, when as recent as April aand March, we have purchased and received items that
-material is fc Wrong!
-looks like fc Wrong again!
-packed like fc Oh my god! Two things look alike! They're obviously the same thing! Sound the alarm! Twins are a Space Time Continuum anomaly!

but lets not call it fc since it's from fw

Let's not call it Finecast because it's from Forgeworld.

Because OP and Forge World and every single god damn consumer who bought this said it's not Finecast.

**praetor24**

SickSix wrote:praetor24, don't try to distance yourself from your very (mis)leading first post now that it has caused a gakstorm. You chose to title it in a way that clearly leads everyone to question/think "Is FW using Finecast?".

You could have titled it "FW using new resin?" and not mentioned finecast at all, but you did. Don't try to run away from that now.

praetor24 wrote:Wow, I don't check the forum for a day and boom 5 pages!

I have to make clear some things:

A) I never said that FW uses Finecast resin. I said, IT FEELS like Finecast.

praetor24 wrote:Today I got at the mail the new Tartaros Terminators kit and I was shocked to discover that instead of the resin that FW used for its other kits, the models in this one were made from finecast.

You did declare your FW models to be made from finecast. In the leading sentence of this thread.

Distance myself? Run away from what? Like I feel guilty what for exactly? That a couple of people started feeling overexcited and unleashed the kraken? Give me a break dude. It's funny how the Internet turns some people into attorneys and public persecutors

As for the title, yes I used finecast BUT there is a question mark (?). I would still use it. You know why? Because it feels like finecast resin and I thought that it was/is the same. If next time that something as important as this arises you don't want to know, because you are unable to handle the information like a grown-up, then I am sorry but stop reading the fora. There are people that are interested in getting news that concern their hobby.

**ÆΞØИ**

Chowderhead wrote:

Because OP and Forge World and every single god damn consumer who bought this said it's not Finecast.

Oh where? I must have missed this?

**Chowderhead**

ÆΞØИ wrote:
Chowderhead wrote:

Because OP and Forge World and every single god damn consumer who bought this said it's not Finecast.

Oh where? I must have missed this?

praetor24 wrote:A) I never said that FW uses Finecast resin. I said, IT FEELS like Finecast.

**Kepora**

starsdawn wrote:
Sidstyler wrote:
Kepora wrote:THIS is why these threads are dangerous.

It's only "dangerous" if the rumor is actually true. Smart people will keep reading, realize that FW isn't necessa......

This is assuming that everyone is smart.

Exactly.

ÆΞØИ wrote:
Chowderhead wrote:

Because OP and Forge World and every single god damn consumer who bought this said it's not Finecast.

Oh where? I must have missed this?

Past four pages of this thread, and every other thread like it.

**praetor24**

Chowderhead wrote:
ÆΞØИ wrote:
Chowderhead wrote:

Because OP and Forge World and every single god damn consumer who bought this said it's not Finecast.

Oh where? I must have missed this?

praetor24 wrote:A) I never said that FW uses Finecast resin. I said, IT FEELS like Finecast.

To be accurate though at my OP, I wrote:

Today I got at the mail the new Tartaros Terminators kit and I was shocked to discover that instead of the resin that FW used for its other kits, the models in this one were made from finecast

I can't say I am thrilled about the change, especially since the new material resembles soft plastic (softer than GW's plastic) and it is slightly better quality than the Finecast casts .

A contradiction of myself in the very same post that shows that I was confused about the true nature of the casting medium (and this is why the [?] at the title of the thread). As I found out later on and by reading this thread "Finecast" is a brand name, not a type of resin. So, technically the minis I held in my hands should not be associated with the Finecast minis. What remains as a fact is that these minis were badly cast and their medium of low quality, or better not suitable for these minis. Very similar to Finecast resin.

So, should I not share this info with you, because some people cannot handle it and start raging about Finecast and "dangerous threads"? Jesus, some people in here are in dire need of anger management lessons.

**TBD**

praetor24 wrote:
Today I got at the mail the new Tartaros Terminators kit and I was shocked to discover that instead of the resin that FW used for its other kits, the models in this one were made from finecast. The models were in sprues similar to the finecast sprues,

I don't care either way, but he really DID say his new models are made of "Finecast".

**ÆΞØИ**

Kepora wrote:Past four pages of this thread, and every other thread like it.

I bought a Heirophant, its casting method is same old fw, I would have been a part of just like those you and chowder mentioned.

Yet, I also bought daemonsmith and OP bought new terminators.
Whom in the "everyone" has also bought these recent items"?

Do you see the difference yet?

**Chowderhead**

TBD wrote:
praetor24 wrote:
Today I got at the mail the new Tartaros Terminators kit and I was shocked to discover that instead of the resin that FW used for its other kits, the models in this one were made from finecast. The models were in sprues similar to the finecast sprues,

I don't care either way, but he really DID say his new models are made of "Finecast".

Yep. You said it, you have to deal with it.

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ÆΞØИ wrote:Yet, I also bought daemonsmith

Yes. It has been stated that FW is trying out new Molding sprues.

Finecast like sprues does not equal Finecast. If you had bad flash, it's because FW QC is some of the worst I've ever seen. Not because they use FC.

**JOHIRA**

Kepora wrote:Can we get an admin to please close this thread, but witha post that enforces the point that Forgeworld is NOT changing?

Yes. Ve must have SILENCE!!! Ve must not let ze people say ze things ve dislike! Heil GW! <Salute>

The discussion must continue for one very simple reason: This thread shows GW just how reviled one of their products is compared to another. That should tell them something. I know if people were threatening to boycott my company just because of a rumor that one of my lines was being produced similarly to another line, I'd investigate the offending like ASAP.

Personally I've given up on Warhammer because of GW's screwy practices, but theoretically speaking I could consider buying things from Forgeworld just for the sake of painting them (I liked the basilisk and I have often considered getting a Forgeworld Tau BFG fleet) when I get the money. Forgeworld switching to finecast would guarantee they never see another dime from me.

**TBD**

praetor24 wrote:So, should I not share this info with you, because some people cannot handle it and start raging about Finecast and "dangerous threads"? Jesus, some people in here are in dire need of anger management lessons.

It could have been way worse. You could have mentioned "Matt Ward"