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Considering how many times I have seen a "forgeworld purchase is warped/miscast/broken" threads, I don't see why people are getting so hilariously bent out of shape about this news.
You took a chance before, and you're takeing one again. If you have dem problems call up dem noice folks at da cervice desk and asxk dem suppa polite like to send you a replacemument.
Blimy it be afker midnikt, so spellfings are no longker an iskew to dis here lad.
Y'know I see this as being mixed, yeah finecast sucks, yeah I figured FW was gonna try it at some point. But and I do mean but, while FW and GW quality control operations are gak, their customer service is top notch, I have called in miscasts and gotten replacements.... with miscasts, so I call those in... and get miscasts, so I get another replacement.... and I give up and fix it myself but hey I just got 3 terminator librarians for the price of one.
GW and FW operators DO NOT CARE ABOUT SENDING REPLACEMENTS. It ain't their money and they'll happily fix your problem to get you off the phone. While I do not like finecast in comparison to GW plastic or FW resin I accept it as fact and it will not change.
Plus side, I really hated those new termies, now their being finecast I hope will hurt their sales even further so now FW will probably look at producing more terminators sooner than originally planned.
The casting quality of those parts is decidedly subpar, far beyond anything I've ever had from Forgeworld*. The scarring on the side of the stormbolter seems to indicate they're mistreating their moulds, too, since that could only have resulted from the silicone being torn.
*The worst I've had were some warped parts and one or two pieces that needed resculpting. Certainly nothing like the apocryphal Valkyries with one side half a centimeter longer than the other.
Pretty much every other miniature manufacturer I've dealt with (I play a few eras of historicals in addition to a few different fantasy and sci-fi games) seems to have no problems producing metal, resin and plastic miniatures without major defects. I just don't get why FW & GW can't get it right.
Every resin piece I've seen from Spartan Games has been fine. Privateer has had missing parts, but I've never gotten a miscast. Mantic's stuff has always been perfect for me. Even tiny one man operations like Khurasan Miniatures or the many conversion bitz suppliers that make their own stuff (Like Kromlech, which is awesome) got their stuff to me without any casting problems (and next to no detectable mould lines). Perry Miniatures? Great. Victrix? No problem. Reaper? Always fine. Ground Zero Games? Perfect. Old Crow Model's resin kits? Barely even have micro bubbles. 1/72 plastics like HaT and Zvezda? Never an error once in over 1000 figures.
Forge World? Finecast? At this point I don't know why people keep rewarding incompetence with further purchases. I guess their saving grace is their replacement policy. You can sell a higher rate of crap if you garauntee to replace it. Seems like a backwards way to do business though.
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Balance in pick up games? Two people, each with their own goals for the game, design half a board game on their own without knowing the layout of the board and hope it all works out. Good luck with that. The faster you can find like minded individuals who want the same things from the game as you, the better.
Stanley Rubric wrote:I'll toss in my two cents. There was a photo a while back that Beasts of War or BoLS posted, can't remember which, that had Forgeworld blisters with new packaging, made to be sold in stores with "40K approved" on it. We heard rumors that with the advent of 6th edition GW might want Forgeworld to do supplements. My feeling is that if GW wants to start selling Forgeworld stuff in their stores, or if they want to make Forgeworld stuff commonplace amongst games of 6th edition then perhaps they want the resin to be switched to Finecast because it's not toxic and GW can sell FW stuff to kids without fear or hassle.
That's not it, at all. Forge World themselves addressed the blister pack meaning "Are they gonna start selling stuff in stores?!" conclusions.
Forge World wrote:Nope. We periodically change our packaging and the clampack option is a lot better. We wouldn't be able to meet the demand of wholesale production without significantly affecting our quality control.
They also (like in October or so?) answered a question where someone noted that their Death Korps models felt like Finecast. FW answered (not verbatim here as I do not have the quote handy) that they experimented with Finecast for a bit. It worked okay, but it wasn't worth the switchover costs for them.
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Agamemnon2 wrote:The casting quality of those parts is decidedly subpar, far beyond anything I've ever had from Forgeworld*. The scarring on the side of the stormbolter seems to indicate they're mistreating their moulds, too, since that could only have resulted from the silicone being torn.
*The worst I've had were some warped parts and one or two pieces that needed resculpting. Certainly nothing like the apocryphal Valkyries with one side half a centimeter longer than the other.
Agreed. This is when you call them or raise an unholy ruckus on their Facebook page if you cannot guarantee you can call them during business hours.
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October 2011 wasn't so long ago. It's unlikely they tried finecast, decided against it, and then decided to go back to it, all in the span of 6 months.
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LunaHound wrote:Umm Kan, I know you keep copy pasting that.... info from Oct... 2011?
But it seems like there are numerous post that says otherwise..
Perhaps you need an updated info from FW....
That quote I pasted is from March of this year, actually. They were asked about the clamshell packages, and they answered.
Those "numerous posts" have also yet to prove their statements to any reasonable measure. They flip out over the fact that their models came on sprues or they had a miscast, but ignore that the resin is a darker shade than Finecast's mixture has been(which uniformly has been a rather white-grey color) and is not as flexible as Finecast's stuff has been.
People can post all they want about Forge World "switching to Finecast!!!11!!"--that doesn't make it true.
I'll also add right here and now, that the majority of the pieces which people have claimed to be Finecast--came out quite awhile after they finished their test runs with the stuff. They did Chaos Dwarf infantry (specifically: the "basic" Infernal Guard kits) and Death Korps of Krieg weapon teams. The goal was reputedly to test and see if Finecast made full, large-scale production of these models financially feasible.
ph34r wrote:October 2011 wasn't so long ago. It's unlikely they tried finecast, decided against it, and then decided to go back to it, all in the span of 6 months.
Alright, lets call it just an "coincidence" that people received Forgeworld via a"new and different way of casting"
during Feburary 2012, March 2012, and in this thread April 2012.
Just coincidence.
And really... you 2 seriously don't need to get so defensive.
look at it this way, k?
1) It doesnt matter to me EVEN IF they are casted the same way as finecast,
aslong as it works, I.really.dont.care.how. I just want a good product like everyone else.
2) if it does work, that means FC is getting better, again, good news for everyone.
So dont get so defensive.
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Clearly it is an all together new technique with the same publicity it could have possibly be called Forgecast or something like that. Not them copying what must seem like an easier, cheaper and faster way to rush models out at the expense of quality.
n0t_u wrote:Clearly it is an all together new technique with the same publicity it could have possibly be called Forgecast or something like that. Not them copying what must seem like an easier, cheaper and faster way to rush models out at the expense of quality.
I know right? "Finecast" is like some sort of stigma that everyone is so terrified of.
frozenwastes wrote:Privateer has had missing parts, but I've never gotten a miscast.
I've seen some horrific Privateer miscasts in the heavy warjacks, actually. Entire torsos squidged into uselessness, massive gouges in place of mold lines, etc.
I think what frozenwastes was getting at was that PP does not have the same reputation for miscasting that GW has since the implementation of finecast.
A Town Called Malus wrote:Just because it is called "The Executioners Axe" doesn't mean it is an axe...
azreal13 wrote:Dude, each to their own and all that, but frankly, if Dakka's interplanetary flame cannon of death goes off point blank in your nads you've nobody to blame but yourself!
I do like them doing the plastic clampacks, though. They should withstand the odd post-office knock (because apparently people shouldn't expect their packages to arrive untrampled) a lot better than little plastic baggies.
LunaHound wrote:And really... you 2 seriously don't need to get so defensive.
look at it this way, k?
1) It doesnt matter to me EVEN IF they are casted the same way as finecast, aslong as it works, I.really.dont.care.how. I just want a good product like everyone else.
2) if it does work, that means FC is getting better, again, good news for everyone.
So dont get so defensive.
I'm defensive? Were you attacking me? I think I missed that.
Or if you mean defensive... of Forge World, well? It just doesn't add up for me. I like to be on the side of what makes the most sense.
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helium42 wrote:I think what frozenwastes was getting at was that PP does not have the same reputation for miscasting that GW has since the implementation of finecast.
because not as many people buy PP stuff?
Agamemnon2 wrote:I do like them doing the plastic clampacks, though. They should withstand the odd post-office knock (because apparently people shouldn't expect their packages to arrive untrampled) a lot better than little plastic baggies.
Totally agreed there! Makes the idea of owrdering Krieg, Traitor Guard, or early-mark armor much nicer than via the baggies!
Breotan wrote:Even if FW does Finecast it should still be better than GW's stuff simply because they use vacuum casting instead of spincasting.
Absolutely! If FW switched to the same/similar resin, I for one would be happy because it'd be easier to cut, glue and overall convert (so much work to do to make loyalist scum into proper Iron Warriors...)!
Well, hopefully the large kits stay in resin, not switch to finecast. Makes me wonder how I should vote for the Mk VIII armor if its going to turn out in that crap.
edit: I guess we should have noticed though. See the marine on the left?
New terminators are ugly AND finecast?!?
Definitely not interested one bit.
...Finecast models aren't resin models? And Finecast is the name of the brand, not the resin type. And Forgeworld uses different resins for different models, just whatever seems to work best, hence the lack of consistency of color. Perhaps this is why GW has so many problems, trying to force the same type of resin to fulfill so many different roles?
darknightwing wrote:Two things. First the sprued FW I got was not the same type of resin as the GW Finecast line. Second I have seen a lot of horror stories about Finecast but I yet have had any problems. Of resin miniatures the ones I have were of better quality than a lot of my older forgeworld models. I do not know if I am lucky or you guys are just impossibly unlucky.
Same. I visited Paper Heroes down in lake Charles about a week ago, looked over roughly 30-40 Finecast models. All looked totally fine; looking forward to converting Arjac into a Termie Wolf Lord for my buddy!
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Capitansolstice wrote:I am not pleased to announce, I will officially never buy FW again, or finecast
Really? That's all it takes to quit buying a product because its finecast?
Ive ordered a few items from Forgeworld and it is hit or miss with problems, though Ive seen more problems with Forge World then GW's finecast. Are we (all of us) to lazy to return it, contact company by email/phone, etc and say "hey theres a prob I cant fix"...which by the way they fix for ya.
Ok, it has air bubbles or bent weapon, etc. Fix it like they suggest. warm it up in hot water then bend it back...or fill it up with that snazzy liquid greenstuff and blammoo!!! its fixed.
Let me ask this. If you go to a store to buy clothes and you get home and find there is a rip in it, do you ban buying from the store? Come on people its been a year since Finecast has been released, GW replaces any problems free of charge if you cant fix it yourself. Can we not find something else to rant and rampage about?
Quoted for truth.
Fafnir wrote:We'll obviously have to wait and see if this is a consistent thing, but if they are using finecast resin, I can no longer buy from Forgeworld in confidence, which is a real shame, considering how much I love a lot of their models.
...Why? They've already mastered the use of numerous other types of resin. And, unlike GW, you can actually contact FW in a far more open manner via their Assbook page.
Fafnir wrote:We'll obviously have to wait and see if this is a consistent thing, but if they are using finecast resin, I can no longer buy from Forgeworld in confidence, which is a real shame, considering how much I love a lot of their models.
...Why? They've already mastered the use of numerous other types of resin. And, unlike GW, you can actually contact FW in a far more open manner via their Assbook page.
Because finecast resin has quite the reputation of being utter gak. And sure, I can contact customer support, but when I'm paying a premium (of premiums) price for what I'm buying, I shouldn't have to jump through hoops just to get a decent cast.
Agamemnon2 wrote:Certainly nothing like the apocryphal Valkyries with one side half a centimeter longer than the other.
I had one of those Valkyries, only in my case, the cabin roof was 1/2" thicker on one side than the other.
That said, it's not stopped my buying FW, and I will be buying those Terminators for my upcoming Mentor Legion project.
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Agamemnon2 wrote:Certainly nothing like the apocryphal Valkyries with one side half a centimeter longer than the other.
I had one of those Valkyries, only in my case, the cabin roof was 1/2" thicker on one side than the other.
That said, it's not stopped my buying FW, and I will be buying those Terminators for my upcoming Mentor Legion project.
Me too, but my reason is simpler. Cuz its cheaper than actual GW termies xDDDDDDDDDDD
Agamemnon2 wrote:Certainly nothing like the apocryphal Valkyries with one side half a centimeter longer than the other.
I had one of those Valkyries, only in my case, the cabin roof was 1/2" thicker on one side than the other.
That said, it's not stopped my buying FW, and I will be buying those Terminators for my upcoming Mentor Legion project.
Me too, but my reason is simpler. Cuz its cheaper than actual GW termies xDDDDDDDDDDD
Holy gak, you're right!
I think that this issue needs to be resolved with a price rise, it's the only reasonable solution. On both the GW and FW termies.
Agamemnon2 wrote:Certainly nothing like the apocryphal Valkyries with one side half a centimeter longer than the other.
I had one of those Valkyries, only in my case, the cabin roof was 1/2" thicker on one side than the other.
That said, it's not stopped my buying FW, and I will be buying those Terminators for my upcoming Mentor Legion project.
Me too, but my reason is simpler. Cuz its cheaper than actual GW termies xDDDDDDDDDDD
Holy gak, you're right!
I think that this issue needs to be resolved with a price rise, it's the only reasonable solution. On both the GW and FW termies.
I bet FW is torn on that isnt it!
If the yraise the FW price, Britain will be like WTF???? NO.
OR FW could force prices to be different on different countries like how GW does it...
LOL they cant! so we are safe xD ( well what they can do is raise the price by 5% ish and hope everyone deals with it )
Let me ask this. If you go to a store to buy clothes and you get home and find there is a rip in it, do you ban buying from the store?
Yes.
If I go to Walmart and find a rip - I chaulk it up and return it next time I am there.
If I go to Jos.Banks and find a rip - I am upset and think about not going to that to store again (which is why they have provided a buy-one get one free when I returned the shirt). Dress shirts cost $90 at Jos.Banks versus $25 at Walmart.
Fafnir wrote:We'll obviously have to wait and see if this is a consistent thing, but if they are using finecast resin, I can no longer buy from Forgeworld in confidence, which is a real shame, considering how much I love a lot of their models.
...Why? They've already mastered the use of numerous other types of resin. And, unlike GW, you can actually contact FW in a far more open manner via their Assbook page.
Because finecast resin has quite the reputation of being utter gak. And sure, I can contact customer support, but when I'm paying a premium (of premiums) price for what I'm buying, I shouldn't have to jump through hoops just to get a decent cast.
How do you know it's the resin and not GW's process of casting? The way things are casted makes ALL the difference; as for the resin itself, it's a model-builder's dream when the process of casting it is done properly.
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Breotan wrote:... still be better than GW's stuff...
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And Finecast is the name of the brand, not the resin type. And Forgeworld uses different resins for different models, just whatever seems to work best, hence the lack of consistency of color. Perhaps this is why 
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