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When I play with my friends we usually make lists up on the fly before we play. As such, we'd rather not spend an enormous amount of time jiggling lists; we hit exactly or just under 1500 maybe 8 out of 10 times, and no one cares much if it's 1505 (with the understanding we're not aiming for 1505). It helps that these are friends I've known for years and no one really cares too much who wins; they are very casual affairs and I'm so much more into warhams then they are it's hardly worth it to be a jerk about it even if I were inclined, which I'm not. If someone comes up with a great list that's 1503, I'd rather just give an IC a meltabomb or whatever and get to playing.

If it's a tournament or I'm playing with Little Johnny I-Don't-Know-You, it's zero over since chances are these lists are created beforehand anyway.

5 points makes a huge difference when you are squeezing things in 1 more plasma pistol on a character is pretty good for 10 points 1 more melta for 10 points is great too even if oyu go from 1995 to 2005 you still got a free melta gun or maybe another sanctioned psyker for 10 points i mean its only 10 points right?

bottom line is over is over number are not hard we learned to count in like first grade

under is fine ive played at 990 and 995 even 970 when i was changing some stuff up to test and you know what thats ok since the max points was 1k does that mean ill complain that im short? absoulutly not but going over is never acceptable imo just makes no sense


EDDIT_if your at 1505 and i can take another plasma pistol in a friendly game thats ok since then your point limit is 1505 but then again no ones over at that point then so its irrelevant

0 points over is acceptable.

When two people agree upon a points limit, both should have enough respect to make their list equal to or less than the agreed upon limit.

1 point over is breaking the agreement, and disrespecting your opponent.

If you are over, it should be no big deal to drop something to make your list come in at or under the agreed upon points limit, and this should be done well before you are about to deploy.

I make lists that come to the points limit without going over. Then I tweak them and re-make them to shuffle things around without going over the limit that we have agreed upon.

If I am expected to make a list at or below the limit we have agreed upon, then I ask my opponent to adhere to the agreement as well.

victor.IG wrote:5 points makes a huge difference when you are squeezing things in 1 more plasma pistol on a character is pretty good for 10 points 1 more melta for 10 points is great too even if oyu go from 1995 to 2005 you still got a free melta gun or maybe another sanctioned psyker for 10 points i mean its only 10 points right?

bottom line is over is over number are not hard we learned to count in like first grade

As Ouze said, if you're simply with a few friends killing the afternoon, as long as you're not aiming for 1505, it's not worth the hassle. My group of friends is much like his. We aim for whatever limit we set. If someone hits 1505, we just throw an extra upgrade on a character and have the game. It's honestly not worth the hassle, or the time, which generally means that person will want to go and rework a significant portion of their list, which takes more time from rolling dice and having a laugh. Not every game is in a tournament.

Depends if it is in my FLGS and it is 5 points over i ask what it is. If it is a scything talon on a gaunt that i am gonna kill anyway sure do it. But if it is for a hierordule i will refuse.
But this is the only store in the province. So if you build up a bad reputation because of too much nitpicking you wont get any games.

For our group, its friendly in the basement. Lists are rarely made ahead of time. As such, both players are generally making lists at about the same time. Our limit is generally 10 points. The basic assumption is that you let the other person know if your over, and he finds the bonus points, or asks you to drop.

Its friendly, so nobody gets stressed by such a thing.

One point. Anything over an agreed upon limit is too much. It's that simple.

It's a points limit.
1 point over is 1 point to many.

0.

A limit is a limit for a reason.

If they want to tell me an hour or two beforehand, I'll gladly tailor my list to the new point limit, but not when they spring it at the last minute.

Usually for me it comes down to not wanting to wait while they re-jig a list.

I always give a tolerance of 5 points, but with the caveat of that 5 points is only allowed if (and only if) removing the points would result in a major list change.

e.g. If you are at 1000pts, and the 5pts pays for eavy armour on a nob in a boyz mob, then that 5 points must go I'm afraid.

If, however, losing that 5 points means one of your 2 troops choices is not below the minimum number of models in a unit, so now you have to remove the whole unit, or work out what to drop from another unit to take the original unit etc etc etc, then I'll let 5pts slide because my gaming time is short, and I would really rather play a 1005pt list than sit around for another 10 mins while you re-jig your list entirely.

Of course, anything where there has been plenty of time to prepare and/or tournaments/campaigns/etc then tolerance is 0

I used to be ok with just a few points over but I then changed my mind. When I schedule a game to be played on a certain date I will make my list a week or more before to give myself time to tweak things or to get as close to the pre-determined points value as possible. (I am constantly making lists though for hypothetical games and just to try things out)

I would show up on game-day and my friend wouldn't have even started his list, thereby adding another hour or so to the game time, and when he was done ask if I was ok with him being over the limit. This got way too annoying after a while and it got to the point where I was leaving without even playing if my opponent showed up without a list. Do your homework and be prepared.

Perhaps this is too strict but I like my casual games to be like my tournament games: set up and done in about 2 hours. Ten years ago when I was just learning the hobby it wasn't unheard of for a gaming session to take 6 hours and fun was had by all but I just don't like this anymore.

I'm going to make up a T-shirt that says: if you want me to be alright with 5 points then you can be alright with my free HPA.

I'm tolerant with my opponents, but I never go over the points limit. - I agree with the many posters who stick to the idea that the limit is the limit.

However there was this one time I was putting together a 1750 pt list from two 1500pt lists I had written out. - After the game I was congratulating myself for managing a draw against the blood angels when I realized I was 250points over! OMG! I never told my opponent as I was too embarrassed! (It was a good, fun game though)

I think even one point is too much. I hold to the limits of the points. I would like my opponent to do the same. So far I haven't played someone who went over yet.

My group's games are generally scheduled a week ahead, so there is no excuse for showing up over the limit (which no one does).

If my opponent has more than 5 minutes to write his list, then it should be under the points limit.
If you wrote your list in advance, and are still over the points limit... I get one re-roll during the game for every point that you're over.

Not one point over.

Otherwise, what's the point of a 'limit' if you just go over it?

For every point you go over, I'll go 500pts over.
Why can't I?
Go over by one, or by 500, either way breaks the limit.
If we're not playing with a limit, you can go play apocapoxyclips over there by yourself (I got tired of games that size over 15 years ago).

Ouze wrote:When I play with my friends we usually make lists up on the fly before we play. As such, we'd rather not spend an enormous amount of time jiggling lists; we hit exactly or just under 1500 maybe 8 out of 10 times, and no one cares much if it's 1505 (with the understanding we're not aiming for 1505). It helps that these are friends I've known for years and no one really cares too much who wins; they are very casual affairs and I'm so much more into warhams then they are it's hardly worth it to be a jerk about it even if I were inclined, which I'm not. If someone comes up with a great list that's 1503, I'd rather just give an IC a meltabomb or whatever and get to playing.

If it's a tournament or I'm playing with Little Johnny I-Don't-Know-You, it's zero over since chances are these lists are created beforehand anyway.

This. So exactly this that I can't really add anything else, just agreement.

If you coordinate a game and set a "POINT LIMIT" then one point over is unacceptable. If you coordinate a game and set a "POINT SUGGESTION" then anything goes. You can be one or 500 points over and no one can complain.

Even one point is too much.

If I've made the effort to stick to the limit we agreed to, then it's rude and cheap for you not to do the same.

Friendly games with clubmates, up to 15 points or even more is fine. If you check ahead of time.

Pickup games at the FLGS. Even 1 point is too much. Respect your opponents. Far better to show up with a slightly short list than to assume it will be ok. Simply by suggesting it, you pressure your opponents into accepting your points overage because no one wants to be "that guy". Don't do it.

None.
Same as ever.

If it is "only x points" then "only" drop x points.
If you think the points don't matter, it should not matter to you to remove them.

Breaking the first agreement in a game is a bad way to say you are wanting a "friendly" game.
I do not consider broken contracts agreements friendly.

You agreed to play with x or less, then brought more than that. Why am I being put in the position of potentially coming across as rude (or accused of it anyway) because you want to break your word?
No thanks. I will play someone else.

Editing to add the obvious:
If you want to play a 1583 point game, say so.
We do and play that way often.
It can be fun to make a list with awkward values just to mess with people.

Just ask your opponent if he/she is alright with you exceeding the limits.

I'm sorry but a single point is too much. You must be at or below a points limit, unless it's a friendly game and your opponent agrees, but at the same time you MUST try to reach your points limit. If it means taking off a piece of wargear, then do it.

The comparison to measuring that some people have made is a good one. Just like even in a casual game I wouldn't say it's okay to be sloppy and intentionally go too far when moving model.

"Fine, so I will add 'only one' model."

*places Heirophant*