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Hazardous Harry wrote:

I don't know what that is from. Perhaps the Relictors? Though as far as I'm aware they never had much to do with the Eldar.

Fulgrim


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Mahtamori wrote:
Well, you can tell what view I'm trying to convey about Eldar, right? They are far from incompetent, nowhere near hippies, and in general have the best of the galaxy and the best of the Eldar race specifically. The Eldar are, however, utter arrogant bastards and the problem with them is that they're usually right. It's not nice to know that the argument "you never even asked" and the answer is "it would only have made things worse" and you'd know that they were right.

That's the point. Unless the Eldar get off their high horse, the Imperium's never going to trust them. And so the Eldar complaint that Humans refuse to listen is their own fault - you never give the Humans reason to trust you.

Tadashi wrote:

Hazardous Harry wrote:

I don't know what that is from. Perhaps the Relictors? Though as far as I'm aware they never had much to do with the Eldar.

Fulgrim

Ah, then wouldn't the Eldar succeeding here have been the better conclusion? It's seems the Eldar know what's better for themselves and humanity than humanity does.

That's the point. Unless the Eldar get off their high horse, the Imperium's never going to trust them. And so the Eldar complaint that Humans refuse to listen is their own fault - you never give the Humans reason to trust you.

Right, it's the fault of the Eldar and not the xenophobic stance of the Imperium that's the problem here.

Because we all know how the Tau's open-handed, friendly approach put them on good terms with the Imperium.

Hazardous Harry wrote:

Tadashi wrote:

Hazardous Harry wrote:

I don't know what that is from. Perhaps the Relictors? Though as far as I'm aware they never had much to do with the Eldar.

Fulgrim

Ah, then wouldn't the Eldar succeeding here have been the better conclusion? It's seems the Eldar know what's better for themselves and humanity than humanity does.

Oh sure...attack without warning in the middle of a peace conference. Real nice...I'll be sure to do that the next time I meet an Eldar before telling her why.

Tadashi wrote:
Oh sure...attack without warning in the middle of a peace conference. Real nice...I'll be sure to do that the next time I meet an Eldar before telling her why.

Think about it, would explaining the situation have helped the Eldar here? Not in the slightest.

Hazardous Harry wrote:

Tadashi wrote:
Oh sure...attack without warning in the middle of a peace conference. Real nice...I'll be sure to do that the next time I meet an Eldar before telling her why.

Think about it, would explaining the situation have helped the Eldar here? Not in the slightest.

Yes it would. The Imperium might not have been superstitious at the time, but they acknowledged the existence of psychic power. Eldrad could have told Fulgrim that the sword was passively acting on him, but no, Eldrad had to go violent. And what happened? Fulgrim destroyed an Avatar, tore the soul out of a Wraithlord, the Emperor's Children butchered the Eldar, Eldrad was sent running back into the Webway. Not to mention every Maiden World in the sector being reduced to ashes. He should consider himself lucky that Fulgrim didn't take his legion and expedition and attack Ulthwe itself. And Fulgrim was close to Horus and Magnus. If other Craftworlds had intervened, the Sons of Horus and the Thousand Sons would have gotten involved. No Farseer could hope to match Magnus, and no Autarch could hope to match Horus. They got off lucky with that sector being burnt to ashes.

Tadashi wrote:

Yes it would. The Imperium might not have been superstitious at the time, but they acknowledged the existence of psychic power. Eldrad could have told Fulgrim that the sword was passively acting on him, but no, Eldrad had to go violent. And what happened? Fulgrim destroyed an Avatar, tore the soul out of a Wraithlord, the Emperor's Children butchered the Eldar, Eldrad was sent running back into the Webway. Not to mention every Maiden World in the sector being reduced to ashes. He should consider himself lucky that Fulgrim didn't take his legion and expedition and attack Ulthwe itself. And Fulgrim was close to Horus and Magnus. If other Craftworlds had intervened, the Sons of Horus and the Thousand Sons would have gotten involved. No Farseer could hope to match Magnus, and no Autarch could hope to match Horus. They got off lucky with that sector being burnt to ashes.

Your Imperium-Astartes-roxxors boner is becoming increasingly obvious.

If Eldrad, the most talented seer in the entire universe (yes he beats Magnus in that respect, if not in raw power) saw that his only chance was to attempt to kill Fulgrim, rather than warn him, then that must have been the most sensible decision to make. At that point the daemon sword had probably already made decent headway in corrupting Fulgrim. If he could have killed Fulgrim that alone may very well have stopped the Horus Heresy. If he tried to explain the situation to Fulgrim the outcome is nowhere near as certain.

I'm not saying that the decisions Eldrad would make are going to be the best for the Imperium (even if in this case they were), but they will always be in the best interests of the Eldar.

Hazardous Harry wrote:

Tadashi wrote:

Yes it would. The Imperium might not have been superstitious at the time, but they acknowledged the existence of psychic power. Eldrad could have told Fulgrim that the sword was passively acting on him, but no, Eldrad had to go violent. And what happened? Fulgrim destroyed an Avatar, tore the soul out of a Wraithlord, the Emperor's Children butchered the Eldar, Eldrad was sent running back into the Webway. Not to mention every Maiden World in the sector being reduced to ashes. He should consider himself lucky that Fulgrim didn't take his legion and expedition and attack Ulthwe itself. And Fulgrim was close to Horus and Magnus. If other Craftworlds had intervened, the Sons of Horus and the Thousand Sons would have gotten involved. No Farseer could hope to match Magnus, and no Autarch could hope to match Horus. They got off lucky with that sector being burnt to ashes.

Your Imperium-Astartes-roxxors boner is becoming increasingly obvious.

If Eldrad, the most talented seer in the entire universe (yes he beats Magnus in that respect, if not in raw power) saw that his only chance was to attempt to kill Fulgrim, rather than warn him, then that must have been the most sensible decision to make. At that point the daemon sword had probably already made decent headway in corrupting Fulgrim. If he could have killed Fulgrim that alone may very well have stopped the Horus Heresy. If he tried to explain the situation to Fulgrim the outcome is nowhere near as certain.

I'm not saying that the decisions Eldrad would make are going to be the best for the Imperium (even if in this case they were), but they will always be in the best interests of the Eldar.

Most talented seer in the universe? That's a laugh.

If so, why did he not foresee that Fulgrim would wipe the floor using the Eldar? Or for that matter that Slaanesh was waiting for him in a Blackstone?

He did forsee that Slaanesh was waiting for him, but he went to do his duty anyway. And chaos has a way of messing with seers, including the Emprah.

Eldrad at the time of the Fulgrim incident was a youth. he did not have the power he gained as he grew older. It was in his older years where he became the greatest seer in the galaxy.

Roadkill Zombie wrote:He did forsee that Slaanesh was waiting for him, but he went to do his duty anyway. And chaos has a way of messing with seers, including the Emprah.

Eldrad at the time of the Fulgrim incident was a youth. he did not have the power he gained as he grew older. It was in his older years where he became the greatest seer in the galaxy.

The Emperor is still older and wiser than Eldrad. He won't make the same mistakes next time. Even if He failed to see or stop the Heresy, He made sure that the Imperium would continue to stand afterwards. For all your arrogance, Eldar Witch, it is us who rule the galaxy, and not you. Now, and forever. The Emperor has decreed it so.

"Make no mistake, the Eldar still wield sufficient power to seriously contest the right and proper expansion of the Emperor's servants to the goal of utter dominance of the galaxy."

From Inquisitor Czevak, Teaching on the Unholy

Haven't you learned yet? Eldrad knew the Emperor personally. And he knows the guy sitting on the Golden Throne isn't the real Emperor. That's why the Inquisition didn't wake him up when they had the chance....the REAL emperor is sitting in Trazyn's collection with a funny look on his face

Roadkill Zombie wrote:"Make no mistake, the Eldar still wield sufficient power to seriously contest the right and proper expansion of the Emperor's servants to the goal of utter dominance of the galaxy."

From Inquisitor Czevak, Teaching on the Unholy

We shall still be victorious in the end. Between the legendary Space Marines, the mighty Imperial Guard and Imperial Navy, the god-machines of the Titan Legions, and the ardent fervour of the Holy Sisters, who can stand against us in the end. No one can. The Emperor Protects.

Haven't you learned yet? Eldrad knew the Emperor personally. And he knows the guy sitting on the Golden Throne isn't the real Emperor. That's why the Inquisition didn't wake him up when they had the chance....the REAL emperor is sitting in Trazyn's collection with a funny look on his face

Obvious troll is obvious. Inquisitor Draco spoke to the Emperor on the Golden Throne. The Ordo Malleus Inner Circle has periodic audiences. The founders of the Holy Sisters spoke to Him. The man who imprisoned the Dragon of the Void cannot be defeated by a mere trans-xenos space egyptian.

Even a man who has nothing can still have faith. But then again, I suppose faith is a concept alien to a faithless Eldar Witch.

Why are we even still here?

It's been apparent that Tadashi has a huge bias for the Imperium, to the point where argument is pointless.

However, I will state this. If the Emperor truly is the Kung Fu Jesus Master Psyker Über Warlord that he is, then why was it that on Ullanor an Ork Warlord, a dirty, smelly, barely intelligent, brutish and simple Ork, was almost able to strangle and kill the Emperor. Surely, the all-mighty and unstoppable Super Emperor, with his beyond godly psychic powers and strength to subdue the Void Dragon, he could have popped the poor Ork's brain with a single thought.

Guess what? He couldn't. It took Horus, a lesser being, a Primarch, to save him. And even during the siege of Terra, the Emperor couldn't best his own son. Sure, he held back at first, but even when he re-doubled his efforts and realized Horus could not be saved he could only get a tie.

The Emperor is NOT smarter than the entire Eldar race. There is nothing to prove that, I don't care about personal opinion. Without irrefutable proof this claim has absolutely 0 substance.

Additionally, there is no absolute proof that the Emperor had total mastery of the Webway. If you accurately checked your sources, you'd be aware that the humans could not replicate the psychic resistant material which the Webway was created of (check Lexicanum, which lists its sources).

Cryonicleech wrote:Why are we even still here?

It's been apparent that Tadashi has a huge bias for the Imperium, to the point where argument is pointless.

However, I will state this. If the Emperor truly is the Kung Fu Jesus Master Psyker Über Warlord that he is, then why was it that on Ullanor an Ork Warlord, a dirty, smelly, barely intelligent, brutish and simple Ork, was almost able to strangle and kill the Emperor. Surely, the all-mighty and unstoppable Super Emperor, with his beyond godly psychic powers and strength to subdue the Void Dragon, he could have popped the poor Ork's brain with a single thought.

Guess what? He couldn't. It took Horus, a lesser being, a Primarch, to save him. And even during the siege of Terra, the Emperor couldn't best his own son. Sure, he held back at first, but even when he re-doubled his efforts and realized Horus could not be saved he could only get a tie.

Orks are beyond logic, plain and simple. And Horus was his son. Obviously they'd end up tying.

The Emperor is NOT smarter than the entire Eldar race. There is nothing to prove that, I don't care about personal opinion. Without irrefutable proof this claim has absolutely 0 substance.

The Chaos Powers all consider the Emperor as their greatest enemy. Only Slaanesh actually gives a damn about the Eldar.

Additionally, there is no absolute proof that the Emperor had total mastery of the Webway. If you accurately checked your sources, you'd be aware that the humans could not replicate the psychic resistant material which the Webway was created of (check Lexicanum, which lists its sources).

So he couldn't replicate it. Big deal. The difference was technological. They'd have cracked it eventually. Eldar can't even make new tunnels anymore - the Emperor and the Mechanicus were building one.

Tadashi wrote:

Orks are beyond logic, plain and simple. And Horus was his son. Obviously they'd end up tying.

So we're just supposed to chalk this one up to "Well, Orks. Whoops." ? Really? So it must have been some random, accidental slip on either the writer's part or the Emperor. I'm sure if it was ANY other adversary, say, a Tyranid, then sure, the Emperor would have shot him with mind bullets and killed him dead. And Horus being the Emperor's son has NOTHING to do with them tying. He wouldn't have tied with that Ork had no one come to save him, and it's obvious that the Ork was not as powerful as Horus.

Believe it or not, beings aren't simple classified in terms of "power levels" in which more powerful beings always defeat lesser beings. It's a simple fact. The Emperor is CLEARLY more powerful than Horus, why didn't he win? By the same vein, the Space Marine Primarchs were all CLEARLY superior to the majority of the Chaos Space Marines. Then why did Dorn die aboard a Chaos Vessel, filled with beings much lower than his perceived "power level"?

These offer proof that not only are both the Emperor and the Primarchs mortal, but also able to be beaten or nearly beaten by seemingly "unworthy" opponents.

Tadashi wrote:


The Chaos Powers all consider the Emperor as their greatest enemy. Only Slaanesh actually gives a damn about the Eldar.

So how does this make the Emperor "smarter" than the Eldar race combined? I'm not arguing that the Emperor wasn't the bigger threat, he obviously was. This doesn't have any bearing on his intelligence and doesn't negatively impact the Eldar race's intellect.

The Emperor was the major focus of the Chaos Gods ---> The Emperor is smarter than every Eldar.

Nice little jump to conclusion there, eh?

Tadashi wrote:


So he couldn't replicate it. Big deal. The difference was technological. They'd have cracked it eventually. Eldar can't even make new tunnels anymore - the Emperor and the Mechanicus were building one.

The Eldar can make new tunnels. Ask their perverted and dark cousins, who essentially created an entire city with passageways after the Fall. In fact, they often create NEW portals to the Webway (By using, gosh golly, Webway Portals) Additionally, I'm going to need a source on Craftworld Eldar no longer being able to create new portals. Without a source, we cannot guarantee the validity of the statement. The ONLY things I've found state that the Eldar are "Unaware of the state of the Webway". By "The State" it is meant that the Webway has changed since the Eldar once mapped the Webway, and they are unaware of the current status of every pathway mapped in the Webway. This statement does not flat out say "The Eldar cannot create new Webway portals/gates. In fact, in the Dawn of War series (which I understand is not entirely canon) The Eldar can actually create Webway gates, to teleport units to and fro.

Cryonicleech wrote:

These offer proof that not only are both the Emperor and the Primarchs mortal, but also able to be beaten or nearly beaten by seemingly "unworthy" opponents.

The Emperor is immortal. That is and always has been part of the fluff.

Tadashi wrote:


The Chaos Powers all consider the Emperor as their greatest enemy. Only Slaanesh actually gives a damn about the Eldar.

So how does this make the Emperor "smarter" than the Eldar race combined? I'm not arguing that the Emperor wasn't the bigger threat, he obviously was. This doesn't have any bearing on his intelligence and doesn't negatively impact the Eldar race's intellect.

The Emperor was the major focus of the Chaos Gods ---> The Emperor is smarter than every Eldar.

Nice little jump to conclusion there, eh?

So, since the Emperor understood the truth behind Chaos - its strengths and weaknesses, its lies and promises - something the Eldar did not (if they did, the Fall would never have happened), He's not smarter than they are? Not to mention Tzeentch focusing on someone for more than a fraction of warp time?

Tadashi wrote:


So he couldn't replicate it. Big deal. The difference was technological. They'd have cracked it eventually. Eldar can't even make new tunnels anymore - the Emperor and the Mechanicus were building one.

The Eldar can make new tunnels. Ask their perverted and dark cousins, who essentially created an entire city with passageways after the Fall. In fact, they often create NEW portals to the Webway (By using, gosh golly, Webway Portals) Additionally, I'm going to need a source on Craftworld Eldar no longer being able to create new portals. Without a source, we cannot guarantee the validity of the statement. The ONLY things I've found state that the Eldar are "Unaware of the state of the Webway". By "The State" it is meant that the Webway has changed since the Eldar once mapped the Webway, and they are unaware of the current status of every pathway mapped in the Webway. This statement does not flat out say "The Eldar cannot create new Webway portals/gates. In fact, in the Dawn of War series (which I understand is not entirely canon) The Eldar can actually create Webway gates, to teleport units to and fro.

The Emperor cannot both "die" and "be immortal"

He's dying right now, and GW has retconned the Sensei-Emperor out of existence. He's not reincarnating. Do you understand the concept of a theory? Theories aren't laws, they're not irrefutable facts. There's nothing that stops the Emperor from dying and not resurrecting. In fact, if the Emperor's so smart, why didn't he just off himself after "beating" Horus? Surely he'd know that he'd be reincarnated.

Where is it stated that the Emperor fully understood Chaos? He doesn't. If anything, The Emperor wasn't able to prevent Chaos from corrupting humanity, so your argument is void. In fact, Chaos royally screws him over just as well, and half of his sons betray him.

And Tzeentch's attention? REALLY? Wow, that must mean it's serious, because obviously Tzeentch never focuses on ANYthing. Tzeentch has been frightened before. He had to throw Kairos into the Well of Eternity because he was afraid that he wouldn't come out.

Why is the Imperium protective of a Forge World? They can make new ones.

The implications behind the statements you make are downright false. The Eldar protect the gates like the Imperium protects a Forge World, they are both absolutely vital and require a massive investment of resources. If the Imperium protects its Shrine and Forge Worlds so heavily, they must not be able to reproduce them.

And the Dark Eldar can and do make new Webway portals/entrances. There's no reason to believe the Craftworld Eldar can't either.

Cryonicleech wrote:The Emperor cannot both "die" and "be immortal"

He's dying right now, and GW has retconned the Sensei-Emperor out of existence. He's not reincarnating. Do you understand the concept of a theory? Theories aren't laws, they're not irrefutable facts. There's nothing that stops the Emperor from dying and not resurrecting. In fact, if the Emperor's so smart, why didn't he just off himself after "beating" Horus? Surely he'd know that he'd be reincarnated.

No, GW has not. I don't recall the concept going down the squats' way. And immortality means you don't die from natural causes. I never said the Emperor was invincible.

Where is it stated that the Emperor fully understood Chaos? He doesn't. If anything, The Emperor wasn't able to prevent Chaos from corrupting humanity, so your argument is void. In fact, Chaos royally screws him over just as well, and half of his sons betray him.

The Emperor's still Human. He understood all right, but He miscalculated.

And Tzeentch's attention? REALLY? Wow, that must mean it's serious, because obviously Tzeentch never focuses on ANYthing. Tzeentch has been frightened before. He had to throw Kairos into the Well of Eternity because he was afraid that he wouldn't come out.

Even then he was involved in the Great Game. All the Powers actually stopped the Game because of the threat the Emperor posed.

Why is the Imperium protective of a Forge World? They can make new ones.

The implications behind the statements you make are downright false. The Eldar protect the gates like the Imperium protects a Forge World, they are both absolutely vital and require a massive investment of resources. If the Imperium protects its Shrine and Forge Worlds so heavily, they must not be able to reproduce them.

Then why include '...remaining strands of Webway...' It implies the Webway is incomplete, and the Eldar cannot replace damaged/destroyed sections.

Cryonicleech wrote:The Emperor cannot both "die" and "be immortal"

He's dying right now, and GW has retconned the Sensei-Emperor out of existence. He's not reincarnating. Do you understand the concept of a theory? Theories aren't laws, they're not irrefutable facts

Theory is fact (This is backed up by evidence)

Theorising is not fact. (This is not backed up by evidence yet)

Obviously Tadashi simply can't admit that the Emperor could be outmatched in any sense by anyone ever (despite a lot of evidence to the contrary).

Bassline wrote:
Theory is fact (This is backed up by evidence)

A theory is not a fact. A theory can be sound (this is when it is backed up by evidence), but a theory is not a fact.

I cannot believe that I actually read all four pages. Anyway:

- The reason why the Emperor didn't see Horus Heresy coming is because he was to busy working on a webway project ( witch Magnus ruined at the end ) and because the Primarchs was his sons that he loved from the first to the last ( you never think that your own son will stab you with knife in the back and let you die ).

- For a race that is psychically gifted Eldar believe to much to their own prophecies. Most of them do not even happen or are false and often leave to deaths of lot of Eldar ( there are lot of evidence to the contrary in the fluff ). Not to mention that Eldrad, who is regarded for most powerful psyker among all Eldar, determined not to warn the Emperor himself but one of his sons who was already possessed by a daemon in the sword he required from a certain race he and his legion destroyed. First he didn't even sense that he was possessed ( even if he should be if he is the most powerful Eldar psyker ) and secondly after possessed Fulgrim destroy his bretheren Eldrad cursed all Humanity and concluded that Humans don't want to be saved at all

- The official state of GW regarding the Emperor are two theories: Star Child and Sensei. ( and as far to my knowledge nothing from the latest fluff retconed this two theories ). Will the Emperor be reborn or not one thing is certain: he will become a god like being after his soul is free from his body, maybe even on pair with Chaos Gods themselves ( he is after all gaining his strength trough prayers of his followers ). But nothing of that is certain as GW will never advance the plot, well maybe if they decide to finish 40k one day...

Now to answer the OP:
Eldar and Imperium don't see eye to eye many times but their both know that their cooperation is fundamental to both races. Even if they will fight most of the times some Craftworlds like Ulthwe and Biel-Tan are known to work together with the Imperium sometimes ( Eldar knows how to best deal with the threat while Imperium has solders to oppose that threats ). Imperial inquisition even have several contracts with some Eldar craftworlds on mutual support and cooperation ( Grey Knights and Blood Angels codexes ). But overall Humans don't trust the Eldar because Eldar were always stabbing knife in their backs and lying to them while Eldar despite Humans for being primitives that now rule the galaxy instead of them, jealousy is one tough emotion to deal with.

At the time of the Heresy Eldrad was not the most powerful seer. It wasn't until the present timeline that he became that powerful. He was a young seer back then and didn't have as good of psychic powers as he does in M41.

Roadkill Zombie wrote:At the time of the Heresy Eldrad was not the most powerful seer. It wasn't until the present timeline that he became that powerful. He was a young seer back then and didn't have as good of psychic powers as he does in M41.

Exactly. And as others have pointed out before in this thread, we have argued the whole thing over many times now in four pages, and it's really not going anywhere. Look at the thread of Eldrad vs. Magnus, Tadashi, immortality means you cannot die at all. What you're saying makes no sense.

Lord Rogukiel wrote:

Roadkill Zombie wrote:At the time of the Heresy Eldrad was not the most powerful seer. It wasn't until the present timeline that he became that powerful. He was a young seer back then and didn't have as good of psychic powers as he does in M41.

Exactly. And as others have pointed out before in this thread, we have argued the whole thing over many times now in four pages, and it's really not going anywhere. Look at the thread of Eldrad vs. Magnus, Tadashi, immortality means you cannot die at all. What you're saying makes no sense.

AGELESS then if you want to argue based on definitions. But Daemon Princes ARE immortal. Destroy their physical forms and they just reform. Phoenix Lord/Exarch armor or Spirit Stones? I aim a multi-melta and fire at point-blank range - say hello to Slaanesh.

Tadashi wrote:

Lord Rogukiel wrote:

Roadkill Zombie wrote:At the time of the Heresy Eldrad was not the most powerful seer. It wasn't until the present timeline that he became that powerful. He was a young seer back then and didn't have as good of psychic powers as he does in M41.

Exactly. And as others have pointed out before in this thread, we have argued the whole thing over many times now in four pages, and it's really not going anywhere. Look at the thread of Eldrad vs. Magnus, Tadashi, immortality means you cannot die at all. What you're saying makes no sense.

AGELESS then if you want to argue based on definitions. But Daemon Princes ARE immortal. Destroy their physical forms and they just reform. Phoenix Lord/Exarch armor or Spirit Stones? I aim a multi-melta and fire at point-blank range - say hello to Slaanesh.

Ageless is fine. But Slaanesh doesn't get the Eldar souls if they have spirit stones. Unless the stones are collected and then sacrificed to slaanesh, the souls inside them are introduced into the Infinity Circuit. if they are needed again, they are placed into Wraithguard or Wraithlord bodies.

Lord Rogukiel wrote:

Tadashi wrote:

Lord Rogukiel wrote:

Roadkill Zombie wrote:At the time of the Heresy Eldrad was not the most powerful seer. It wasn't until the present timeline that he became that powerful. He was a young seer back then and didn't have as good of psychic powers as he does in M41.

Exactly. And as others have pointed out before in this thread, we have argued the whole thing over many times now in four pages, and it's really not going anywhere. Look at the thread of Eldrad vs. Magnus, Tadashi, immortality means you cannot die at all. What you're saying makes no sense.

AGELESS then if you want to argue based on definitions. But Daemon Princes ARE immortal. Destroy their physical forms and they just reform. Phoenix Lord/Exarch armor or Spirit Stones? I aim a multi-melta and fire at point-blank range - say hello to Slaanesh.

Ageless is fine. But Slaanesh doesn't get the Eldar souls if they have spirit stones. Unless the stones are collected and then sacrificed to slaanesh, the souls inside them are introduced into the Infinity Circuit. if they are needed again, they are placed into Wraithguard or Wraithlord bodies.

Hasn't anyone noticed a similarity between Eldar and Necrons? Necrons have necrodermis while Eldar have wraithbone, both of which have similar properties. The newcrons have shards, the Eldar have the Avatars, which are shards of their war god.

Yup, I recognized it a very long time ago. That's why I've never really liked the Necrons. I played this game before they existed. All of the stuff they now have used to be Eldar only.

I think it's tragic that GW took Eldar and diluted their main story arch by creating the Necrons and giving a lot of the stuff that used to be Eldar only to the necrons.

Roadkill Zombie wrote:Yup, I recognized it a very long time ago. That's why I've never really liked the Necrons. I played this game before they existed. All of the stuff they now have used to be Eldar only.

I think it's tragic that GW took Eldar and diluted their main story arch by creating the Necrons and giving a lot of the stuff that used to be Eldar only to the necrons.

How about oldcrons? They didn't use the Webway, and back then the C'tan weren't shards. Of course they had necrodermis, but still...

Nah...Oldcrons did the same thing. The Eldar are the ones that had all the wierd pylons, monoliths, pyramids, portals, and other things and they also had the highest tech level of any race. Then along come the Necrons (Oldcrons) and Blammo!...all of that stuff no longer is from the Eldar, it's from the Necrons.....


Still don't like it. I would have preffered that the guys that write the fluff for these armies come up with something new and exciting without ripping off other races already long established story arch.

But rather than derailing this thread further I will leave it at that.

Roadkill Zombie wrote:Nah...Oldcrons did the same thing. The Eldar are the ones that had all the wierd pylons, monoliths, pyramids, portals, and other things and they also had the highest tech level of any race. Then along come the Necrons (Oldcrons) and Blammo!...all of that stuff no longer is from the Eldar, it's from the Necrons.....

Except fluff-wise, Necrons came before the Eldar. Looks like the Old Ones took a leaf out of the Necrons and the Ctan's book by giving the Eldar access to Wraithbone (Necrodermis), the Webway (Inertia-less Drives), and psychic mastery (scientific and technological supremacy).

I think that's for another thread.