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2012/06/15 13:35:54
Subject: Re:Phoenix Lords "power level" query.
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Alluring Sorcerer of Slaanesh
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Tadashi wrote:Roadkill Zombie wrote:
The reason they don't bother with the Emperor is because they know the Emperor isn't the real Emperor. The real one is in Trazyn's collection. They also know the Emperor holds no real power in the Imperium. Instead it's the 12 High Lords of Terra that do.
The Emperor's not the only one who wore baroque power armor. A few Primarchs are missing and are far more likely to be the one in Trazyn's collection. A man who defeated and imprisoned a C'tan by himself is too powerful for Trazyn to handle.
Definitely the Emperor, the guy in the throne is Horus 
A C'tan or a C'tan shard 
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2012/06/15 14:01:27
Subject: Re:Phoenix Lords "power level" query.
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
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Pilau Rice wrote:Tadashi wrote:Roadkill Zombie wrote:
The reason they don't bother with the Emperor is because they know the Emperor isn't the real Emperor. The real one is in Trazyn's collection. They also know the Emperor holds no real power in the Imperium. Instead it's the 12 High Lords of Terra that do.
The Emperor's not the only one who wore baroque power armor. A few Primarchs are missing and are far more likely to be the one in Trazyn's collection. A man who defeated and imprisoned a C'tan by himself is too powerful for Trazyn to handle.
Definitely the Emperor, the guy in the throne is Horus
A C'tan or a C'tan shard
Horus doesn't wear barouque power armor - he wore Terminator Armor. And even if the Emperor defeated just a shard, which I personally doubt, it takes more than one Necron to defeat a rogue shard, while the Emperor did it alone.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/06/15 14:12:25
Subject: Re:Phoenix Lords "power level" query.
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Alluring Sorcerer of Slaanesh
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Tadashi wrote:Pilau Rice wrote:Tadashi wrote:Roadkill Zombie wrote:
The reason they don't bother with the Emperor is because they know the Emperor isn't the real Emperor. The real one is in Trazyn's collection. They also know the Emperor holds no real power in the Imperium. Instead it's the 12 High Lords of Terra that do.
The Emperor's not the only one who wore baroque power armor. A few Primarchs are missing and are far more likely to be the one in Trazyn's collection. A man who defeated and imprisoned a C'tan by himself is too powerful for Trazyn to handle.
Definitely the Emperor, the guy in the throne is Horus
A C'tan or a C'tan shard
Horus doesn't wear barouque power armor - he wore Terminator Armor. And even if the Emperor defeated just a shard, which I personally doubt, it takes more than one Necron to defeat a rogue shard, while the Emperor did it alone.
You're right, he doesn't because he is on the Golden Throne.
The Emperor did, but he is in Trazyns collection
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2012/06/15 14:15:44
Subject: Re:Phoenix Lords "power level" query.
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
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Pilau Rice wrote:Tadashi wrote:Pilau Rice wrote:Tadashi wrote:Roadkill Zombie wrote:
The reason they don't bother with the Emperor is because they know the Emperor isn't the real Emperor. The real one is in Trazyn's collection. They also know the Emperor holds no real power in the Imperium. Instead it's the 12 High Lords of Terra that do.
The Emperor's not the only one who wore baroque power armor. A few Primarchs are missing and are far more likely to be the one in Trazyn's collection. A man who defeated and imprisoned a C'tan by himself is too powerful for Trazyn to handle.
Definitely the Emperor, the guy in the throne is Horus
A C'tan or a C'tan shard
Horus doesn't wear barouque power armor - he wore Terminator Armor. And even if the Emperor defeated just a shard, which I personally doubt, it takes more than one Necron to defeat a rogue shard, while the Emperor did it alone.
You're right, he doesn't because he is on the Golden Throne.
The Emperor did, but he is in Trazyns collection
Impossible. Horus soul was reduced to energy by the Emperor's final attack, and his body destroyed by Abaddon after Bile went all frankenstein on it.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/06/15 14:19:37
Subject: Re:Phoenix Lords "power level" query.
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Alluring Sorcerer of Slaanesh
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Tadashi wrote:Pilau Rice wrote:Tadashi wrote:Pilau Rice wrote:Tadashi wrote:Roadkill Zombie wrote:
The reason they don't bother with the Emperor is because they know the Emperor isn't the real Emperor. The real one is in Trazyn's collection. They also know the Emperor holds no real power in the Imperium. Instead it's the 12 High Lords of Terra that do.
The Emperor's not the only one who wore baroque power armor. A few Primarchs are missing and are far more likely to be the one in Trazyn's collection. A man who defeated and imprisoned a C'tan by himself is too powerful for Trazyn to handle.
Definitely the Emperor, the guy in the throne is Horus
A C'tan or a C'tan shard
Horus doesn't wear barouque power armor - he wore Terminator Armor. And even if the Emperor defeated just a shard, which I personally doubt, it takes more than one Necron to defeat a rogue shard, while the Emperor did it alone.
You're right, he doesn't because he is on the Golden Throne.
The Emperor did, but he is in Trazyns collection
Impossible. Horus soul was reduced to energy by the Emperor's final attack, and his body destroyed by Abaddon after Bile went all frankenstein on it.
That's what the Alpha Legion want you to think.
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2012/06/15 14:20:50
Subject: Phoenix Lords "power level" query.
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
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Except Abaddon is Black Legion, not Alpha Legion. And the Chaos Powers would know if their greatest enemy isn't on the Golden Throne. The Forces of Chaos would have fallen on Trazyn long before had the Emperor really been in his collection. No, the Emperor is seated on the Golden Throne. He was there to converse with Inquisitor Draco, and He is there to meet the periodic audiences of the Ordo Malleus Inner Circle. And He will die or be restored when the Throne fails, or He will become a god.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/06/15 14:41:30
Subject: Phoenix Lords "power level" query.
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Alluring Sorcerer of Slaanesh
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Tadashi wrote:Except Abaddon is Black Legion, not Alpha Legion. And the Chaos Powers would know if their greatest enemy isn't on the Golden Throne. The Forces of Chaos would have fallen on Trazyn long before had the Emperor really been in his collection. No, the Emperor is seated on the Golden Throne. He was there to converse with Inquisitor Draco, and He is there to meet the periodic audiences of the Ordo Malleus Inner Circle. And He will die or be restored when the Throne fails, or He will become a god.
Yes, I am fully aware that Abaddon is of the Black Legion thank you very much, I guess you don't know much about the Alpha Legion and how they operate ... Anyhoo, Phoenix Lords ey? Strongest of the Eldar, only one has apparently fallen from their path, they have that over the Primarchs for sure.
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2012/06/15 14:53:07
Subject: Phoenix Lords "power level" query.
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Screaming Shining Spear
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And all that talk has to do with Phoenix Lords..?
Once again I ask politely to stay on topic or at least close (some noteworthy Exarchs if PLs have scarce fluff).
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2012/06/15 17:28:39
Subject: Re:Phoenix Lords "power level" query.
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Fixture of Dakka
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As someone said, the Phoexnix Lords certainly have measurably more willpower than the Primarchs. Of 20 Primarchs, 11 turned against humanity. Of 8 Phoenix Lords, only 1 has gone rogue.
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"'players must agree how they are going to select their armies, and if any restrictions apply to the number and type of models they can use."
This is an actual rule in the actual rulebook. Quit whining about how you can imagine someone's army touching you in a bad place and play by the actual rules.
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2012/06/15 19:03:00
Subject: Phoenix Lords "power level" query.
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thats only cos Chaos dont care enough about the Eldar.. they already got dealt with by Slaanesh 
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2012/06/15 20:39:33
Subject: Re:Phoenix Lords "power level" query.
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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DarknessEternal wrote:As someone said, the Phoexnix Lords certainly have measurably more willpower than the Primarchs. Of 20 Primarchs, 11 turned against humanity. Of 8 Phoenix Lords, only 1 has gone rogue.
Well arguably he(it) didn't go rogue either. It just stayed with the party guys, not the party poopers.
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2012/06/15 23:30:56
Subject: Phoenix Lords "power level" query.
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Formosa wrote:thats only cos Chaos dont care enough about the Eldar.. they already got dealt with by Slaanesh
Well said. The Emperor and the Primarchs got the full attention of the Chaos Powers, and the old man still does. Eldar? Only Slaanesh cares on a regular basis.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2016/09/14 00:37:29
Subject: Phoenix Lords "power level" query.
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Depraved Slaanesh Chaos Lord
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Chaos focuses more on humanity because it's the easier pray. After the Fall, the Eldar wised up, and now they just sit back and trololo at Chaos' machinations. Humanity on the other hand is moronic by nature, and they're the most numerous group in the galaxy. Why chase something you can't catch when there's a big juicy idiot-steak just sitting there waiting for you to come snatch it?
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2012/06/16 00:51:26
Subject: Phoenix Lords "power level" query.
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Fixture of Dakka
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In any case...
Trying to be rather neutral here...
I really don't think the Phoenix Lords really are equivalent to Primarches, or at least, the more 'epic' ones. They were just entirely too filled with warp/Emperor-ey uberness.
I'd definitely scale them well above your typical Chapter Master - the current golden boys of Draigo (yawn) and Calgar being a bit iffier. Another comparison would be, say, the Sanguinor or Mephiston.
I'd possibly say that The Swarmlord and Ghazghkull top them out though. Well, except for Maugan Ra perhaps, since he's generally publicised as the most awesome.
So yeah, at the top, or fighting within the top ranks of the contemporary characters... However, ultimately, they're not at the truly mythical levels of the Heresy.
As for Maugan's stories, much like some of the other feats you see (I think Calgar have similar stories...), I imagine the tales are a bit like the liberties you hear with the tales of the '300 spartans' - Yeah, there's only 300 spartans, but 10's of thousands of other dudes fighting beside them.
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2012/06/16 01:27:02
Subject: Phoenix Lords "power level" query.
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BlaxicanX wrote:Chaos focuses more on humanity because it's the easier pray. After the Fall, the Eldar wised up, and now they just sit back and trololo at Chaos' machinations. Humanity on the other hand is moronic by nature, and they're the most numerous group in the galaxy. Why chase something you can't catch when there's a big juicy idiot-steak just sitting there waiting for you to come snatch it?
Apart from the fact that the three elder Chaos Powers achieved form and sentience because of Mankind? And they fear the potential for order the Emperor represented that would allow Mankind to transcend itself?
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/06/16 01:39:57
Subject: Phoenix Lords "power level" query.
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Depraved Slaanesh Chaos Lord
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How does any of that contradict anything I've said at all?
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2012/06/16 03:17:23
Subject: Phoenix Lords "power level" query.
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
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The former shows they have a personal interest in Mankind. The latter shows they prioritize Mankind over the Eldar.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/06/16 06:44:41
Subject: Phoenix Lords "power level" query.
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Frankly, I feel that chaos takes so much interest in man because man for so long was never able to unite into one belief. The Eldar, the Ork, they had their gods and as long as they remained faithful their souls were pretty much untouchable by chaos. It's only when they abandon their gods and go down some path of decadence (you stuck up Eldar pricks you) do they feed, and in that particular case, awaken a god of Chaos. Man however has no unifying religion or belief. Man is scattered, man in his beliefs is chaotic. With no specific deity able to form and be all that humans dedicate themselves to, all that human emotion went and fed and fed and fed the gods of chaos (though frankly, considering human behavior, I'm surprised that Slaanesh didn't awaken at the same time as Khorne). So it wasn't so much that the gods of chaos didn't have an interest in Eldar or Ork or whatever other species you wish to name. It's that man was one of those available to freely nom nom on.
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Back on track (sorry!), after some reading, I feel like comparing primarchs and phoenix lords is like comparing a steak knife to a scalpel. It just doesn't really work.
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Gods? There are no gods. Merely existences, obstacles to overcome.
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2012/06/16 09:35:59
Subject: Phoenix Lords "power level" query.
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Tadashi wrote:The former shows they have a personal interest in Mankind. The latter shows they prioritize Mankind over the Eldar.
You've still not managed to refute his claim. The only Eldar Chaos can realistically get at are the few Eldar directly in conflict near the Eye, and even then the Craftworlds themselves are mostly out of reach. You're far too eager to protest the strength of the Empire that you do not actually bother with proper answers to others' claims.
The problem with measuring the Empire's "power level" is as I stated that they are the hero underdog so their achievements mean nothing in determining how capable their characters actually are. That's not to mention that it's also off topic.
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2012/09/30 16:49:43
Subject: Re:Phoenix Lords "power level" query.
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Well, I personally feel their stats/Specy stuffs on tabletop didn't do the phoenix lords Justice, in a fight in the material realm do to their inherent Squishiness that comes with the ears, they'd get mauled, quite effectively, but with the Eldar's seeing capability that they often employ ( Path of the Seer) not to mention Thousands, upon thousands, upon thousands of years experiance I feel the pheonix lords might, MIGHT be able to win o3o
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2012/09/30 16:59:43
Subject: Re:Phoenix Lords "power level" query.
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